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Offline mecch

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HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« on: February 12, 2009, 11:30:24 PM »
I have a friend who is HIV-, and she has a lot of HIV+ friends.  She survived cancer. She shared with me this opinion - saying "meds" for medicine or treatment is tacky. 
"I have to take my meds".
"I'm starting meds."   

She says it good taste to say medicine, or treatment. (I'm taking HIV Treatment. I'm going to change my medicine. My treatment is working very well. etc etc)

It's a minor point but I started thinking about it. Soon enough I completely stop saying "meds".

She also thinks POZ is a bit tacky.  As in "I'm POZ". 
Again, a minor point.  But interesting.

So what do you all think about that?

Seen this thread before. The slang that really bothers me is French speakers who use "clean" to mean HIV-.  "Je suis clean".  Its so atrocious, we can all agree.

But what about POZ? MEDS. Don't mean any disrespect, bringing this up in the POZ forums, after all, which have been so helpful!
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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2009, 06:29:28 AM »
i actually prefer saying 'meds' rather than ARVs or ART. it makes the disease not-so-scary to me. by all means bring on the slang..

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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2009, 06:50:02 AM »
NO big woop.  I hear that English call cigarettes, fags and the French call fags, poophs.  A rose by any other name still smell as sweet baby.  Oh my god what the world is coming to. 
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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2009, 11:06:29 AM »
Tell your friend we don't take "treatments." People with cancer take treatments, because there is an end to the treatments.

We are on HAART. We take HAART for life, otherwise, we won't have one.

I take meds. I sometimes say, "I have to do my drugs." That usually scares the straights.

You could mention to your friend that some types of cancer are an OI for us. Ask her how she is doing with her opportunistic infection.

Semantics, the devil in us all. ;D

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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2009, 11:37:07 AM »
Your friend is strange, but I you know what they say about birds of a feather...
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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2009, 12:14:48 PM »
The terms "meds" and "poz" don't bother me in the slightest.

However.

Using the word "clean" to describe one's hiv status or sexual health really pisses me off big time. We see it quite often over in Am I and you can believe me when I say we put them right in no uncertain terms.

I don't really like hearing "clean" used to describe someone who no longer drinks/takes drugs. Just because someone has substance abuse issues doesn't make them dirty.

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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2009, 12:51:39 PM »
Your friend is strange, but I you know what they say about birds of a feather...
Dear Miss Philicia, I have never called any member a name or label, in this forum, and you seem to want to call me names or label me as bizarre, every so often, and I would appreciate it if you'd cut it out. What's the point. Thanks.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2009, 12:55:53 PM by mecch »
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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2009, 12:54:29 PM »
Tell your friend we don't take "treatments." People with cancer take treatments, because there is an end to the treatments.
We are on HAART. We take HAART for life, otherwise, we won't have one.
I take meds. I sometimes say, "I have to do my drugs." That usually scares the straights.
Thanks for the perspective! I hadn't thought about the cancer (curable) HIV (for life) aspect. :)
As for the second point, I don't want to scare anyone. You just joking about that?
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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2009, 01:06:17 PM »
I don't really like hearing "clean" used to describe someone who no longer drinks/takes drugs. Just because someone has substance abuse issues doesn't make them dirty.
Ann
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Hadn't made that extension to substances but thanks its quite good. So one would say, what,
Instead of "he's cleaned up"?

She's no longer an addict?

She's not using anymore  - that sounds kinda icky - "using" "not-using"...

Sober works for me for not drinking. Even "on the wagon"

Is there a noun or adjective for no longer addicted to drugs??
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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2009, 01:30:41 PM »
Hadn't made that extension to substances but thanks its quite good. So one would say, what,
Instead of "he's cleaned up"?

She's no longer an addict?

She's not using anymore  - that sounds kinda icky - "using" "not-using"...

Sober works for me for not drinking. Even "on the wagon"

Is there a noun or adjective for no longer addicted to drugs??

Sober works for drugs too. You could also say drug-free. Many refer to themselves as being in recovery.
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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2009, 02:01:03 PM »
Sober works for drugs too. You could also say drug-free. Many refer to themselves as being in recovery.
OK, sober and drug-free sounds good.  People can use whatever slang or terms they want, of course. To me, "being in recovery" sounds financial or something legal. 
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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2009, 04:59:43 PM »
I tend to alternate with what I call my pills.  Sometimes my meds, sometimes my vitamins, sometimes my "power pills."  Of course about half the pills I take aren't HIV meds, I have vitamins, garlic, Crestor, etc., in the pillbox compartment.

But as for how I handled the terminology for just being HIV+, I did do a comic strip some time back on the topic (unabashed plug) at:

http://hivnme.com/hivnme.com/fishingtrip.html


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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2009, 06:58:21 PM »
I agree with Mark (aztecan).  I'm Pos, Thom is Neg.  He has a seizure disorder.  We both take our meds or do our drugs.  If I said, "Please excuse me.  I have to take my HAART", my friends would know what the f--- I was talking about.

Just my wooden nickel's worth.

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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2009, 07:54:02 PM »
I've been a paramedic going on 35 years and I know if I called in to the ER for a medicine order or I said I followed the medicine protocol, I would end up getting a drug test when I got to the ER. The proper transmission would be I need a med order and the name of the drug or Med protocol has been followed. So your friend is out of touch with the real world. I hardly ever say I'm positive, I just say I have AIDS and get a laugh at the look on their face. Goes for the ones that say, you don't look like you have AIDS and I reply, I wear makeup.

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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2009, 01:45:32 AM »
We use "meds" all the time, even for non-HIV meds.  Our kids even use it.  Mini has heard us say "poz" and "jr. pozzie", but she refers to her herself as having HIV.  While on occasion, she'll refer to her "poz friends", she usually just says "my guys".

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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2009, 04:38:36 AM »
I have a friend who is HIV-, and she has a lot of HIV+ friends.  She survived cancer. She shared with me this opinion - saying "meds" for medicine or treatment is tacky. 
"I have to take my meds".
"I'm starting meds."   

She says it good taste to say medicine, or treatment. (I'm taking HIV Treatment. I'm going to change my medicine. My treatment is working very well. etc etc)

Your friend says it's "good taste" to say something a particular way but having good taste is all about proper etiquette.  Etiquette is the art of putting others at easy.  So telling someone not to use an abbreviation or slang simply because she does not like it is rather bad taste.

Now if you find a particular word or phrase offensive i.e. "clean" for HIV- then by all means explain to them why you feel this way. 

For most people saying I'm POZ is simply easier than saying I have been infected by the human immunodeficiency virus.  Using abbreviations is not considered bad taste otherwise Judith Martin would be known Mistress Manners rather than Miss Manners to the world at large.

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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2009, 09:09:02 AM »
It is easy in Mandarin Chinese.

Whether it's meds, medicine or drugs (except when it refers to narcotic drugs specifically), we can it Yao, pronounce the same as in the name of the basket ball player Yao Ming. You can say "chi yao", which literally translated as "eat" meds, medicine, drugs or pills (though pills can also be referred to as yao wan, in which wan means an eatable round-shaped object).

So next time just say "time to chi yao", "I need to chi yao now", "time to take my yao wan".

Just ask, more free Chinese lessons on offer.. ;)
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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2009, 09:27:27 AM »
Good taste........... bad taste.....well according to Charlie, Starkist only wants tunas that taste good

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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2009, 09:37:46 AM »
My partner and I say "vitamins", as in "did you take your vitamins". It is just part of our private vocabulary.

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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2009, 11:15:36 AM »
I personally call them "jelly beans." But I don't normally talk about medication with people, unless that  rudely ask "are you on The Cocktail?"   

   

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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2009, 11:46:35 AM »
I personally call them "jelly beans." But I don't normally talk about medication with people, unless that  rudely ask "are you on The Cocktail?"   

   

oh my dad always tells me cocktail this, cocktail that.. and never forgets to add that i can "be like magic johnson"

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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2009, 05:22:23 AM »
I am Poz and I take my Meds!!!!
What is wrong with that - why does everyone have to apply bloody political correctness to the world????
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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2009, 11:26:25 AM »
I am Poz and I take my Meds!!!!
What is wrong with that - why does everyone have to apply bloody political correctness to the world????

BINGO!!
   I agree completely. If, by saying Meds or Poz, it were to somehow be putting someone down, then I could see altering my vocabulary. But it isn't. It's a personal preference.

Your friend says it's "good taste" to say something a particular way but having good taste is all about proper etiquette.  Etiquette is the art of putting others at easy.  So telling someone not to use an abbreviation or slang simply because she does not like it is rather bad taste.

Double BINGO!!

  Perhaps if she could come up with an explanantion as to why saying "Meds" is tacky, it would be easier to understand her viewpoint. But as it stands, she just kind of comes off as a being a bit sanctimonious without any reason to be other than personal tastes. Besides, with all the crap we have to go through in life, why complicate it further with totally meaningless BS like this? Having both HIV as well as going through four rounds of cancer, I agree with Mark on the differences between "Meds" and "Treatments" I've been through both, and can only say from my personal experience that the treaments hurt waaaay more than the meds ever have. Just my 2 cents worth. (Which if you think about it is worth about -.02 due to the weak dollar. So I guess I actually owe you money. The check is in the mail ;))

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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2009, 01:52:59 PM »
She must have an incredibly comfortable and easy life to be so damn uptight about such trivial crap.  I guess that's what happens when you have no worries of your own.

Tell her when she's poz and has to take meds she can have an opinion and what people who are poz and take meds call being poz and taking meds. :)

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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2009, 05:29:18 PM »
talking about slang etc.... can someone tell me what 'pig play' means?

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« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2009, 12:33:10 PM »
She probably wouldn't like it that my friends and I refer to HIV as "The Bug".
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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2009, 03:54:20 PM »
people abbreviate especially online... FYI is a good one to point out ask if this offends her?

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« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2009, 03:08:47 AM »
At the end of the day, I think that most people on here are saying "Get a life"
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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2009, 10:54:49 AM »
At the end of the day, I think that most people on here are saying "Get a life"
Cheers
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Precisely. :)

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« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2009, 01:31:31 PM »
At the end of the day, I think that most people on here are saying "Get a life"
Cheers
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best post of the week! .. if this woman ever says "Oh, James is HIV" or "Yolanda is HIV" etc, then call her out on that! And then comment further that she's not in touch with HIV sensitivities because most poz folks find it offensive to say that a person "is HIV"

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Re: HIV - abbreviations and slang - bad taste?
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2009, 09:23:34 PM »
I dont like the word POZ, I like Positive.
I dont like the word MEDS, I like My Pill.
I dont like the word CLEAN- I dont like any specific term for it.

I guess it depends on the individual and how those words effect each person. If they have had a bad experience with once of the words or something. Like "You're not Clean?"

Preferences I guess.

 


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