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Offline Paul E

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I am super scared, pretty sure I got infected
« on: February 09, 2009, 12:40:26 PM »
Hi all,

I am scared to death, my HIV test results are due in tomorrow morning but I am now convinced it will come back positive. I didn't know what to do,  I couldn't sleep at all last night, sO I thought I will ask for your help..

My story: about 1.2 year ago I had protected sex with a black sex worker ( she was from Africa ), I cheked the condom at the time, it wasn't broken, but I cannot be sure, I was a little bit drunk.

A few weeks later I started to develop all sorts of symptoms ( muscle pain, headache, swollen lymph nodes in the neck and groin area, pain in the joints, etc.
 I was too scared to get tested, the symptoms got away and I tried to forget about it. Two months ago though ( 1 year after the encounter ) the symptomps appeared again , even stronger, and I got them since, no improvement.

I finally decided that I need to know and went and did the test, tomorrow I will get the result. To be honest, I am pretty surfe it's positive, I am terrified bit I cannot go any longer wondering if I have it or not.

Any advice would be appreciated.


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Re: I am super scared, pretty sure I got infected
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2009, 12:45:19 PM »
Had the condom failed you would have known without a doubt.

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Re: I am super scared, pretty sure I got infected
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2009, 01:17:39 PM »
Paul,

As long as you've always had protected intercourse with ANYONE, not just sex workers, then there is no reason to believe your test will come back with anything other than negative results.

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Re: I am super scared, pretty sure I got infected
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2009, 01:25:54 PM »
Ann, Rapidrod, thank you for your quick responses. I am going mad here, I can't think of anything else.

I remembered I took a full blood test ( but not the HIV ) 7 months after the encounter and everything was ok ( red cells, white cells, etc ), but the fact that I have all these symptoms is driving me crazy.

I guess we will find out tomorrow.

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Re: I am super scared, pretty sure I got infected
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2009, 02:10:19 PM »
When you find yourself tensing up, take some good deep and slow breaths in and then out again. It really helps.

Your fears and your mind notwithstanding, nothing you are reporting suggests to me to expect other than a negative result. Good luck.

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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2009, 03:38:31 PM »
Test results came back negative, thank you for your encouraging words before I went to the doctor to get these results. This is yet another example of symptoms meaning nothing when it comes to HIV.

Always use condoms and stay safe !

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Re: I am super scared, pretty sure I got infected
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2009, 03:45:32 PM »
Good news Paul, but remember a negative test doesn't mean that you are immune and can go out and make the same mistakes again.

Remember condoms at all times...NO EXEPTIONS.

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Re: I am super scared, pretty sure I got infected
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2009, 04:41:31 PM »
Hi all,

My story is this: i had unprotected oral sex ( giving and receiving ) and protected intercourse with a girl I didn't know before that night. Two weeks later, I developed flu-like symptmoms : headache, fever, muscle pain in the whole body, skin rash ( small red spots ) + swollen glands in the groiin and armpits.

Things that worry me to death when I am thinking of that night : she was very excitable, she was wet for the entire night, and we had a long foreplay without condom, so its very possible that her fluids got on my unprotected penis. Also, although in theory oral sex does not carry the risk of HIV transmission, i relized the next morning i had a beggining of a cold sore on my mouth, so there is also a possibility that her fluids entered my body during the oral sex.

To make things worse, I didn't check at the end whether the condom was intact, so I am worried about that as well. I read a lot on this site about HIV infection, but given my symptoms and my experience I just shared with you, I started to really believe I got infected this time.

Of course I will get tested ASAP and I will also ask her to test, but your advice. help in the meantime would be greatly appreciated I am going through hell ( again )  with this.


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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2009, 05:01:22 PM »
Paul,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.



You didn't have a risk. Neither going down on a woman, nor getting your dick sucked are risks. Going down on a woman isn't a risk regardless of what's going on in your mouth. And condoms have been proven to prevent hiv infection and when they break, it's really obvious. Not only do you not need to test, but you also do not need to ask her to test. Her hiv status is irrelevant as you did nothing risky.

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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2009, 05:18:45 PM »
Ann,

Thanks for the reply. It's the fact that we played a lot without condom ( but not insertive sex ) that worries me. She was super excited, I was naked, so her body fluids most likely got on my penis even if we didn't have unprotected sex.

Also the fact that I got all the symptoms without even thinking about HIV. Normally your mind plays games but this time i wasn't thinking at all about the incident when I started to get all the usual symptoms, so this time is not my mind.

I will go through hell again for 13 weeks, it seems that we never learn :( Many thanks again for the encouraging words.

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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2009, 06:04:15 PM »

it seems that we never learn


Paul,

Indeed, you aren't learning a thing from your time on this website.

Frottage (the rubbing of unprotected genitals together) isn't a risk. What you describe isn't a risk either. Just be happy you happened to be with a healthy, sexual woman who becomes lubricated when she gets sexually excited. You did not penetrate her vagina without a condom therefore, you weren't at risk. Not even if she happens to be hiv positive.

Get over yourself. If you put yourself through 13 weeks of unnecessary worry, so be it. Just don't think you'll be allowed to use this website to wring your hands over this NO RISK scenario.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2009, 02:07:25 PM »
Hi Ann,

I have no intention to misuse this site, I am just extremely worried about the symptoms and perhaps I a was looking for some answers.

A skin rash appeared on my body  today ( I had it already on the face ) and I freaked out, I am extremely tired and still swollen in my groin area, muscle pain, all the usual symptoms. As much as I am trying not to think about it, it is very difficult, the mind tells you that anything is possible ( even if in reality it's just a theoretical risk ).

I did a blood test yesterday the results came back today and my lymphocite count is below normal which adds to the anxiety.

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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2009, 02:24:10 PM »
Fortunately, fears aren't facts. And there is no basis in HIV-science for you to be concerned.

There is no need for HIV testing.

I will also tell you that you can't come running here everytime you have another scare attack. As Ann has said, you need to apply the information you've gotten here to future situations. Just because you have had sex and may have some symptoms afterwards, that doesn't mean HIV is the issue. And it won't be as long as you always use condoms for vaginal and anal intercourse.

It's just as simple as that.
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2009, 01:31:30 PM »
Thanks Andy, Ann,

I will not post here until I get my test results in 11 weeks time, I will have a full STDs check up.

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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2009, 09:26:30 AM »
I am sorry I am posting again, but since my last post I developed further worrying  symptoms: a very bad " flu " within 4 weeks and a rash that appeared on my penis ( many small red bumps ) and on my scrotum, rash on my chest & thighs, joints pain, chest pain, extreme fatigue ( i sleep for 10 hours and wake up tired ). I went to the doctor, he said it looks like an mild infection but he gave me Ofloxacin which I took for 10 days, the rash on my penis went away after 2 weeks but apart from the rash, i am still experiencing the same symptoms, I feel sick every day. I don't know what to do anymore, I also ran a full blood test which didn't show any abnormalities (??!). I am now fearing the worst, still one month to go until my 13 weeks tests :(


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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2009, 09:52:12 AM »
Paul,

Nothing you've added changes the fact that you did NOT have a risk for hiv infection. Keep posting over this NO RISK incident and you'll be given a time out.

If you read the Welcome Thread before posting like you're supposed to, you will have read the following posting guideline:

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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

Please consider yourself warned.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2009, 10:26:54 AM »
Ann,

I understand the no-risk situation with regards to my sexual encounter. What i didnt mention until now, is that I am also worried about a  yellow fever vaccination that I had to take in country with a big % of the population being infected with HIV. This was about a week and a half  after my exposure, the hospital was not clean at all an when they took the shot I could not see where they took the needle from ( whether it was a sterile one or not ).  For some reason at that time I thought the vaccine came with it's own needle, but i started to doubt it after I experienced my symptoms. I started to think what if the needle was used before ? There is this possibility which scares me given my symptoms. Sorry I didn't mention this incident until now but I have been trying to convince myself that HIV symptoms ( if this is the case ) cannot appear in 4 days  ( I started to develop symptoms 4 days after the vaccination and 2 weeks after the sexual encounter ). I hope this explains my fears and ( perhaps ) excessive posting.  What do you think?

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« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2009, 10:55:35 AM »
Paul,

If you're worried about the vaccination, then you need to go back to the place where you had the vaccination and talk to the person who gave it to you. It's very possible you've had some sort of reaction to the vaccination and that's what is making you feel unwell.

Whatever is going on has NOTHING to do with hiv as you did not have a risk for hiv infection. Hospitals are not in the habit of re-using needles.

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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2009, 12:41:35 PM »
Ann, Andy,

 I wanted to ask you a question and please don't ban me or get upset because I am asking this: from your experience, it is possible to experience symptoms 11 weeks after a potential exposure ?

It's 11 weeks since my exposure and I feel even worse than before: my lymph nodes are super swollen, I have joint and muscle pain, pain in my arms, extreme numbness of my hands (  I can barely move them when I wake up ) , I have abdominal pain and extreme fatigue. I also noticed my gums are bleeding much more than before :(

I started to think this is due to what others describe as " rough " seroconversion and I am now very much afraid to go and test at 13 weeks.
Just wanted your opinion on this, please...


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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2009, 11:56:02 PM »
No answers?

My symptoms are now so bad that I lost any hope, I am preparing myself mentally for the worst when I go and test again at 13 weeks. :(
Waking up every day with extreme numbness in my hands and feet, swollen lymph nodes, muscle and joint pain has removed any bit of hope I had a few weeks back that I will come out of this ok.

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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2009, 03:13:45 AM »
Paul,

Exposure? What exposure? You didn't have a risk, remember?

Go see a doctor to find out what, if anything, is wrong with you. Whatever it is, it isn't hiv. You didn't have a risk for hiv infection.

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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2009, 11:02:36 AM »
Many thanks Ann,

Since I learned that my gums are bleeding quite a lot, the oral  sex I had makes me think there is a risk ( even if it categorized as theoretical ). Adding the fact that I didn't check the condom after the vaginal sex plus all the violent symptoms I had and still have since then gives me little hope for the test result.

I pray everyday that you guys will be right again and the test result will come negative...

Many thanks again for the encouraging words and for taking the time to reply to me.

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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2009, 11:12:07 AM »
Paul,

I've already told you that going down on a woman isn't a risk no matter what is going on in your mouth.

Post again for anything other than to tell us about your negative result and you'll be given that time out you've been repeatedly warned about.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2009, 06:39:24 AM »
Ok, I will not post about my symptoms anymore, but there is also sometiung else on my mind: is it possible at all to have HIV from open mouth kissing?

CDC seems to think it is a very low risk, but it is possible...

I kissed a sex worker in a night club in Africa two weeks after my " exposure ", we didn't do anything else, no sex, just open mouth kissing ( very stupid as the % of HIV+ in Africa is very high ) and no I think that is a risk: if she had a lession on her lips / mouth or very bad mouth hygiene, she could have passed the virus...   what do you think?

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« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2009, 07:06:45 AM »
Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

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« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2009, 08:13:33 AM »
No, kissing is not a risk for HIV transmission. ANYTHING sexual is risky theoretically other than using your own hand on yourself.

It's time for you to move on. We're not here to entertain every thought and fear that pops into your mind as if it is a serious risk. You've been told the basics about protecting yourself against HIV. Repeatedly.

If you come back again with more of what ifs and such, you're going to get a 28 day Time Out. Considered yourself warned.

Get on with your life.
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« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2009, 07:00:32 AM »
Today, i just received the shock of my life - I am HIV positive, the Elisa and WB came back positive.

The shock is even greater after 3 months of hoping that everything is OK, following two " no / low risk incidents "

My story is this, I had uprotected oral sex ( giving and receiving ) and PROTECTED, with no condom breackage with a girl 3 months ago and also kissed ( open mouth ) another girl in Africa ( but absolutely no sex ) 2 weeks after the first incident. The girl in Africa was a prostitute, so high risk, but other than kissing, we didn't do anything, zero, not even got naked !

I was told none od these incidents require an HIV testing, as there is no, or only a theoretical risk. I really wanted to believe that but my symptoms told me otherwise: i had/ still have all the symptoms, including severe PN and generalized rash even after 11 weeks of the incident so I decided I need to test and I got the frightening news.

These are the only two incidents in the last 12-16 months, I never had unprotected vaginal or anal sex, also tested negative 3 months ago ( there was a requirement for a visa ). I can't stop thinking, this is impossible even the doctor at the clinic was puzzled. He wants to forward my case to the medical authorities for further investigations and potenitally register the case. 

To add to my extraordinary case, my wife now displays ARS symptoms after we had PROTECTED sex three weeks ago, no oral sex, just kissing and protected vaginal.
I don't know what to believe anymore, I am in total shock , please help/ advise !

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« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2009, 08:15:22 AM »
Paul, I'm so sorry to hear your bad news.  There are some occasions in which HIV is transmitted orally - but these occasions are few and far between.  And when oral transmission of HIV does occur one often finds, in the medical literature at least, that the vector is seminal, not vaginal, fluid.  So your case poses a kind of conundrum and an unfortunate one at that.

A friend of mine, a gay man, recently seroconverted because of ONE incident: he swallowed an HIV+ man's semen when he was drunk.  He told me had an abscessed tooth at the time and believes the fluid "washed" over the abscessed area (?) So oral sex under the right circumstances can be an effective route for HIV transmission.  At least from men to women and other men.

Have you found a decent physician in the meanwhile?

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« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2009, 10:23:20 AM »
I just; got the news that the girl in Africa I kissed is HIV positive, which means I have got this from her, just from kissing her ! I must be the unluckiest person on the face of earth, what were the chances? I think we both had open sores in the mouth, that's the only possibility. Maybe because I had a drink ( I wasn't drunk ), the saliva was not effective in stopping the virus.


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« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2009, 01:11:21 PM »
The forum moderators will tell you that kissing has zero risk and certainly all of the current literature shows that kissing doesn't transmit the virus. Saliva isn't an effective vector because the enzymes in our spit kills HIV.  Still, I feel bad about the situation. I hope you get decent health care. Take care of yourself.

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« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2009, 01:57:52 PM »
Sorry, but I don't believe that story one iota.
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« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2009, 01:59:02 PM »
So wait.  You found out in just the last three hours that a sex worker in Africa that you only kissed is HIV+?  How in the world did you learn this?  Also, just back in February you stated quite clearly that you did more than "just kiss".  In fact you stated that you were drunk and that the condom possibly broke.

Sorry, but I'm a little confused with this thread.
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« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2009, 02:24:41 PM »


 
  So you got your Elisa result's back today and they instantly confirmed it via a Westen Blot test?
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Re: I am super scared, pretty sure I got infected
« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2009, 03:06:43 PM »
Miss Philicia,

I think you misread my previous posts, just to be clear:

1. The February 2009 testing is related to an old story that happened back 1.2 years ago and I only went and tested in Feb 2009  Result- negative, conclusive. So, old story closed

2.New story ( the new post was merged with the old one ) -  In July 2009 i had within the space of two weeks, two encounters:

a. oral unprotected, giving and receiving  + PROTECTED vaginal with a girl. No condom breakage noticed.
b. after two weeks of incident a. I went to Africa ( Ivory Coast ) and kissed a sex worker there. JUST KISSED HER, we didn't have any kind of sex.

I reported both incidents asking the opinion of experts, as I developed extreme symptoms that I never had before ( including very painful peripheral neuropathy towards week 11 after the incidents in July 09). I was told not to worry, no risk neither in incident a nor incident b.

So, to summarize, , tested negative in Feb 2009, tested negative ( as part of a visa process ) in July 2009 ( but before the incidents a and b ), had the incidents in mid- end July and tested positive in October. No risk situation at all between FEb 2009 and mid-end July other than the described  a and b above which everyone agreed was no risk.. So still puzzled how i ended up positive.  
With regards to the girls involved in incidents a and b, I traced them asked them to test and one came negative ( girl in incident a ) but the girl in Africa just told me she is  positive. So the conclusion is I got infected by the girl in Africa. i only kissed

You can form your own opinion, but what on earth, given my current situation, will make me lie about what happened?  

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« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2009, 03:17:29 PM »
getshorty75- many thanks for your kind words, no, I didn't find a doctor yet.

skeebo1969 - Elisa came back positive yesterday, i waited for confirmation before i posted.

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« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2009, 03:25:54 PM »
skeebo1969 - Elisa came back positive yesterday, i waited for confirmation before i posted.

Oh I see.  Man that's tough...  So you got your Elisa back yesterday and they did the Rapid Western Blot test which you got back today?
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« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2009, 05:46:13 PM »
Interesting story...

This is just a "shot in the dark" but, has your wife been tested for HIV? 

Maybe she has it (or has had it all along?) and you got it from her? 
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« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2009, 06:45:04 PM »


  I'm just wondering how he got the Western Blot done so quickly.  Even in the West the Western Blot is slow coming...lol :D
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« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2009, 07:01:44 PM »
Yeah, and I doubt that you, recently infected, have severe peripheral neuropathy.  Unless you're diabetic, and your diabetes has been out of control for quite awhile. 

I'm curious about the western blot also.  How'd you get the results so fast?
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« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2009, 01:50:11 AM »
Buddy, check your "facts" / "fantasies" before you keep posting here -

So far you said you had sex with a CSW in Africa back in possibly late Dec 2007, immediately developed "symptoms" but they were then gone but allegedly came back in late 2008. You said you took a HIV test in Feb 2009 and it came back negative.

Then you came back in July 2009 telling us that you just had sex with a very "excitable" girl - no mention that whether she was a CWS or whatever, again immediately "symptoms" and you also worried about being vaccinated with a dirty needle.

Your stories are that sex with those two girls - one CSW and one not-known - were protected, though you had oral sex without using condoms.

While repeatedly being told that your "encounters" were of no risk you kept after August adding new elements, the aforementioned vaccination with possibly dirty needle, then suddenly only just early this mouth you "reported" the open mouth kissing with a CSW after your July sex encounter, at a time you were supposedly having all sort of "symptoms".

Reading back your posts and knowing your panicky nature, it's hard to believe you only waited til now to mention the third sex encounter (second with CWS). The pattern here is that you just kept adding new twists to your "narrative" (cough * fantasies * cough) and drama (and now, a wife has suddenly appeared) and they are just not adding up.

Now please do yourself some good and go seek some professional help.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2009, 01:53:03 AM by komnaes »
Aug 07 Diagnosed
Oct 07 CD4=446(19%) Feb 08 CD4=421(19%)
Jun 08 CD4=325(22%) Jul 08 CD4=301(18%)
Sep 08 CD4=257/VL=75,000 Oct 08 CD4=347(16%)
Dec 08 CD4=270(16%)
Jan 09 CD4=246(13%)/VL=10,000
Feb 09 CD4=233(15%)/VL=13,000
Started meds Sustiva/Epzicom
May 09 CD4=333(24%)/VL=650
Aug 09 CD4=346(24%)/VL=UD
Nov 09 CD4=437(26%)/VL=UD
Feb 10 CD4=471(31%)/VL=UD
June 10 CD4=517 (28%)/VL=UD
Sept 10 CD4=687 (31%)/VL=UD
Jan 11 CD4=557 (30%)/VL=UD
April 11 CD4=569 (32%)/VL=UD
Switched to Epizcom, Reyataz and Norvir
(Interrupted for 2 months with only Epizcom & Reyataz)
July 11 CD=520 (28%)/VL=UD
Oct 11 CD=771 (31%)/VL=UD(<30)
April 12 CD=609 (28%)/VL=UD(<20)
Aug 12 CD=657 (29%)/VL=UD(<20)
Dec 12 CD=532 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
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« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2009, 03:02:43 AM »
Nice detective work Komnaes!!!   ;)

I've read through the "Am I Infected?" posts too and I've been thinking the same thing all along, but didn't post my thoughts b/c last time I called some joker out on the carpet, I got blasted by a "moderator" - so don't be surprised if you get a lashing from her too!   

Now, I just think..."Interesting story..."

I guess if he wants to believe he got HIV from kissing, then I'll let him believe that.  Still doesn't change his status and we are a support group after all. 
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« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2009, 03:48:45 AM »
I hope nothing I have written there could be considered offensive...

He might as well be tested positive but the plain truth is that unless and until we have a better straight forward narrative none of us can offer any help to him if what he wants is a validation that he did indeed got it from just oral sex or even kissing, or that Ann and Andy have been giving him wrong advises or false hope, he's not going to get it.

And what difference does it make to him now?

I am just getting very annoyed even as a reader/participant in forums other than "Am I" that there are few keep trying to find fault on the advise that HIV can only be transmitted through unprotected penetrative sex, and that others (mainly oral) are just theoretical. This is not our "opinion", we don't dream it up and try to force it on folks; it's an accepted view based on science developed since the beginning of this epidemic.

If his case is really so special, and some medical professionals do think it needs further investigations, than so be it. If based on his and some other similar "reports" that someday the whole medical/science community thinks that this safe sex massage needs to be re-thought (i.e. the risk of oral sex is not just academic/theoretical), then I am sure our mods' advises will change accordingly.

Otherwise he can come in again and again with the same old I-got-it-through-oral/kissing and you guys were wrong to tell me otherwise, he'd better be prepared to get his story torn apart, especially one with some many gaps.
Aug 07 Diagnosed
Oct 07 CD4=446(19%) Feb 08 CD4=421(19%)
Jun 08 CD4=325(22%) Jul 08 CD4=301(18%)
Sep 08 CD4=257/VL=75,000 Oct 08 CD4=347(16%)
Dec 08 CD4=270(16%)
Jan 09 CD4=246(13%)/VL=10,000
Feb 09 CD4=233(15%)/VL=13,000
Started meds Sustiva/Epzicom
May 09 CD4=333(24%)/VL=650
Aug 09 CD4=346(24%)/VL=UD
Nov 09 CD4=437(26%)/VL=UD
Feb 10 CD4=471(31%)/VL=UD
June 10 CD4=517 (28%)/VL=UD
Sept 10 CD4=687 (31%)/VL=UD
Jan 11 CD4=557 (30%)/VL=UD
April 11 CD4=569 (32%)/VL=UD
Switched to Epizcom, Reyataz and Norvir
(Interrupted for 2 months with only Epizcom & Reyataz)
July 11 CD=520 (28%)/VL=UD
Oct 11 CD=771 (31%)/VL=UD(<30)
April 12 CD=609 (28%)/VL=UD(<20)
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« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2009, 05:47:20 AM »
Shauny (Komnaes), I totally understand how you feel.  If someone's HIV+, alright.  Just don't try to be holier than the rest of us degenerates by posting some lame story about how it came to be. 

I totally understand your frustration.  What's even more frustrating, is that the newly diagnosed person may well believe the story him (or her) self. 
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« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2009, 06:00:27 AM »
I don't buy that.
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« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2009, 07:23:38 AM »
I didn't want to go into all this, because I think there are more important things I need to take care of- finding a doctor, looking into treatment, etc.

However, I would like to respond to some of the things posted:

- never had the intention to find a fault in the advise I was given - I think all of you, especially Ann and Andy have provided tremendous help and great advise and comfort to those who find themselves worrying. And I thank you all for that, for dedicated your time in helping others go through difficult moments
- There is no reason for me to lie, I posted since July all the incidents I could think off, which could have been the reason for my never ending symptoms. Initially I only thought of the sex encounter with the first girl in July ( which wasn't a prostitute ), as it involved  vaginal sex ( protected ) and oral ( unprotected ). As my symptoms worsen, I looked back at all other incidents that could lead to the current result. The only " risky " ones were the kiss with the prostitute in Africa ( initially didn't give it a thought ) and the yellow fever vaccine.  That is why you will see my posts bringing new elements, even if they are " theoretical ", I wanted to describe to the moderators any other events that can influence the final result and get their opinion. Yes I am panicky, but initially I was so convinced  / only thought off the sex incident that I didn't even thought off / brought into discussion the other ones ( kiss and vaccine ). Thatís the only explanation for the ď gaps ď you found in my story.
- Reality is I could never explain how this happen, I am not trying to change history, I always hoped during the last three months that  I would be yet another case within the well documented cases in the history / science of HIV of non transmission through oral or kissing. I guess it is tormenting for me to know what I have done and still canít explain why I  ended up positive. I am not blaming anyone, I just canít find any logical answer thatís all.
- finally, I find the comment regarding my wife ( and suddenly a wife appeared ) offensive  and I hope the author will have the decency to apologize.  My wife had nothing to do with the story, I was separated from her since April Ď09 and we always used protection before, so why mentioning a wife in my ď Am I infected ď ? posts,?  I wasnít with her from April since mid of September so she is not even a theoretical risk. I mentioned her now only because I am afraid for her health,  we had protected sex when we got back together in mid September.

Thank you again all for taking the time and writing a response, when all my emotions will settle a little bit, I will start taking your valuable advice on medication, doctors, professional psichological support and the social aspects of living with HIV.

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« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2009, 10:02:00 AM »
It was yesterday:

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To add to my extraordinary case, my wife now displays ARS symptoms after we had PROTECTED sex three weeks ago, no oral sex, just kissing and protected vaginal.

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I wasnít with her from April since mid of September so she is not even a theoretical risk.

So you see, the big gap here is a wife you never mentioned until now. You were with her the whole time, presumably had an active sex life, though with protection (note modified below) (at least between Feb and April, or are you going to "add" now that nothing had happened between you and your wife that two months at least). Did she ever get tested ever? If you were so worried about all those oral and protected sex with other girls why not once did you mention her? The fact is spousal transmission is more common than you think, and before you come in again saying that I am trying to offend you and your wife, no, this is not a moral judgment, just a very possible route of transmission that you never mentioned while insisting the whole time that it was from protected sex and even kissing with other women.

(modified to add this - after another reading, he never mentioned that his sex with his wife before they separated were protected, but the one time recently in September)

Any health care would have spotted than before concluding your case is special, not without testing her first. Have you also mentioned her to them?

I am not sure why you didn't see that as a possible "logical" reason - presuming that what you've said so far is truth - and that was and still is why we don't see the way you see it as "logical".

What is logical is that the whole science behind transmission tells us that the risk of oral transmission and protect penetrative is at best (or worst) extremely low and academic, and none-existence for kissing. As for the vaccine, it would have to have been administered by the nurse almost immediately sticking that needle in you right after finishing the person in front of you, which you probably would and should have noticed and one would hope that as at least an adult you would have protested.

God knows I would - so what is not "logical" to us is that none of what you have described - added in episode to heighten your "risk" - is in the category of risky. And what we see even with those few posts are gaps.

It's not even about "moral" or anything - just science - and if you confined yourself in the "Am I" section none of us would be able to step and have stepped in pointing out those gaps. If it's only about you, as a fellow HIVer, me and none of the others would ever think of tearing your story in such manner. Those forums are read by hundreds if not thousands of people regularly, worrying needlessly about those same perceived risks.

By allowing yours to stand, it opens up the whole Pandora Box as Ann, etc will be continuously challenged by anyone who has read your posts - see, that guy got it from just kissing too, while in reality we don't know what's been missing from your story, and I will stick to what I said:

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If his case is really so special, and some medical professionals do think it needs further investigations, than so be it. If based on his and some other similar "reports" that someday the whole medical/science community thinks that this safe sex massage needs to be re-thought (i.e. the risk of oral sex is not just academic/theoretical), then I am sure our mods' advises will change accordingly.

Not to mention that as of Oct 8 you were still not tested:

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I am preparing myself mentally for the worst when I go and test again at 13 weeks.

And now you're back with both a primarily and WB confirmation tests, with results, which the latter usually takes weeks?

Give us a break already, will you?
« Last Edit: October 14, 2009, 10:37:42 AM by komnaes »
Aug 07 Diagnosed
Oct 07 CD4=446(19%) Feb 08 CD4=421(19%)
Jun 08 CD4=325(22%) Jul 08 CD4=301(18%)
Sep 08 CD4=257/VL=75,000 Oct 08 CD4=347(16%)
Dec 08 CD4=270(16%)
Jan 09 CD4=246(13%)/VL=10,000
Feb 09 CD4=233(15%)/VL=13,000
Started meds Sustiva/Epzicom
May 09 CD4=333(24%)/VL=650
Aug 09 CD4=346(24%)/VL=UD
Nov 09 CD4=437(26%)/VL=UD
Feb 10 CD4=471(31%)/VL=UD
June 10 CD4=517 (28%)/VL=UD
Sept 10 CD4=687 (31%)/VL=UD
Jan 11 CD4=557 (30%)/VL=UD
April 11 CD4=569 (32%)/VL=UD
Switched to Epizcom, Reyataz and Norvir
(Interrupted for 2 months with only Epizcom & Reyataz)
July 11 CD=520 (28%)/VL=UD
Oct 11 CD=771 (31%)/VL=UD(<30)
April 12 CD=609 (28%)/VL=UD(<20)
Aug 12 CD=657 (29%)/VL=UD(<20)
Dec 12 CD=532 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
May 13 CD=567 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
Jan 14 CD=521 (21%)/VL=UD(<50)

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« Reply #46 on: October 15, 2009, 01:39:36 AM »

My wife had nothing to do with the story, I was separated from her since April Ď09 and we always used protection before, so why mentioning a wife in my ď Am I infected ď ? posts,?  I wasnít with her from April since mid of September so she is not even a theoretical risk. I mentioned her now only because I am afraid for her health,  we had protected sex when we got back together in mid September.


Now I'm really confused!   ???  I suspect the main reason people are doubting your assertions is that you contradict your own story over and over again. 

If your wife is not even a theoretical risk, why would you have the slightest bit of concern that she is experiencing symptoms?  If what you report is true, her symptoms must be completely unrelated to HIV.  [Unless of course she got it from kissing you?   :o]
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« Reply #47 on: October 16, 2009, 10:03:11 AM »
I have spent the last days reading the lessons about medication and planning my life going forward and I hope I will learn as much as I can from other's experiences with medication as I will need to make my decision when to start it. I will also need to find a doctor and run the specific tests, but for some reason, I am not ready mentally to do that yet. I am confused, scared and worry about the family a lot, I  feel like I need to be there for them, make sure they are OK before i can take care of myself.
Has anyone gone through this? It would really help to hear how you coped.

I would also like to respond to sdguyloveslife - why am I concerned about my wife? because the first thought I had when I got the results was - I pray to God she is Ok !  She should be OK as we only had protected sex after a long time at the end of September. However my panicky nature combined with the results of my tests make me fear any little symptom she now displays - running nose, headache, sore throat, etc. That's all it isÖ I think I am not the only one to worry about the partner when they get the results.

One final question for all those who had / have peripheral neuropathy- what did you do to ease it? I can't rest during the night because of the pain  / burning sensation in my arms, legs and upper body ( like thousands of needles poking my body ). Other than ibupofren, is there a medicine to ease the pain?

Thank you in advance for your responses

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« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2009, 11:30:25 AM »
Wow, so it seems your fantasy has taken on the form of self-medication by using over the counter drugs?!

While PN is not uncommon among us HIVers, one-third or so, most have it as a side effect of HAART. The virus can cause PN but in most cases they happen to folks with high viral load as their infection has been left advancing and untreated for a much longer period of time. Very rarely severe PN as you have reported happens at so early a stage of infection (possibly 3 months as you have "claimed"), well, unless you've also taking been driving (typo - modified as drinking) heavily, are diabetic, have hep C and a combination of any of the above.

You really should get some professional help...
« Last Edit: October 16, 2009, 11:39:04 AM by komnaes »
Aug 07 Diagnosed
Oct 07 CD4=446(19%) Feb 08 CD4=421(19%)
Jun 08 CD4=325(22%) Jul 08 CD4=301(18%)
Sep 08 CD4=257/VL=75,000 Oct 08 CD4=347(16%)
Dec 08 CD4=270(16%)
Jan 09 CD4=246(13%)/VL=10,000
Feb 09 CD4=233(15%)/VL=13,000
Started meds Sustiva/Epzicom
May 09 CD4=333(24%)/VL=650
Aug 09 CD4=346(24%)/VL=UD
Nov 09 CD4=437(26%)/VL=UD
Feb 10 CD4=471(31%)/VL=UD
June 10 CD4=517 (28%)/VL=UD
Sept 10 CD4=687 (31%)/VL=UD
Jan 11 CD4=557 (30%)/VL=UD
April 11 CD4=569 (32%)/VL=UD
Switched to Epizcom, Reyataz and Norvir
(Interrupted for 2 months with only Epizcom & Reyataz)
July 11 CD=520 (28%)/VL=UD
Oct 11 CD=771 (31%)/VL=UD(<30)
April 12 CD=609 (28%)/VL=UD(<20)
Aug 12 CD=657 (29%)/VL=UD(<20)
Dec 12 CD=532 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
May 13 CD=567 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
Jan 14 CD=521 (21%)/VL=UD(<50)

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« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2009, 12:07:06 PM »
It is highly doubtful that you have peripheral neuropathy from your HIV - your infection is far too recent and you're not on meds that might cause this condition.  Others in the thread have already told you that you don't have peripheral neuropathy as well - didn't you see those responses? 

Why not go to a doctor and get a proper diagnosis instead of this nonsense of "self-diagnosis from reading the internet" you've been doing so far? 

Also, why are you worried about your family?  Drama, drama, drama!!!  You're also worrying needlessly about your wife.  Drama, drama, drama!!!  They're not going to "catch" your HIV unless you're having unprotected sex with them.  I don't want to sound like a broken record, but as others have suggested -- you really ought to consider seeking some mental health help. 

How about this...instead of using the internet to look up all these diseases and conditions and diagnosing them to yourself, why not use it to seek out a doctor and a mental health provider? 

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