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Offline rockstarsinger

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Kissing and oral sex
« on: December 26, 2008, 09:13:13 PM »
first and foremost let me say that I am new to the site.  I would also like to say in advance that I apologize to anyone if I insult them with the below,,,

I have read a few posts regarding kissing and oral sex (insertive) and all of the replies are basically "No risk".  I've read a case where a man infected his wife via kissing some time in the late 90's.  I have also read cases/studies where there are "documented" studies that have found hiv+ people as a result from oral sex.  So my questions are as follows...

1) Why is the reply "no risk" with regards to kissing if there was clearly a documented case...why isn't the reply "low risk".  I understand the basic responses about saliva, etc. but there was a case of an infection that people should know about.

2) I pose the same question about oral sex...there are documented case where some people became hiv+ as a result of oral sex....why isn't the general response "low risk"???

3) Lastly, is there some other information other than this site that you can offer to support your resposes that we readers/inquirers can look at???

Please understand that my intentions are not to insult anyone here as I'm just looking to somehow confirm your information as I find contraditions along the way.

And Happy Holidays

Offline RapidRod

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Re: Kissing and oral sex
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2008, 10:02:06 PM »
Move on nice_gatherings. You won't be permitted to troll this forum.


Offline rockstarsinger

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Re: Kissing and oral sex
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2008, 10:49:40 PM »
Not sure what you mean by what you said RapidRod ???
Can you clarify...did I do something wrong here???

Offline RapidRod

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Re: Kissing and oral sex
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2008, 11:08:54 PM »
It shows that you know little about HIV by what you posted. We go by scientific data and studies on this forum and if you don't like it I would suggest you move on.

Offline rockstarsinger

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Re: Kissing and oral sex
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2008, 11:17:29 PM »
Hey Guy,,,your right!  I don't know that much about hiv....that's why I'm asking.
i thought this was a forum for Q & A.  A way to educate ourselves and ask respectful
questions.  Get answers to our unknown ?'s.  I didn't think that I would get booted for
asking what I thought were valid questions.  How else am I to learn?  I now feel as though I
can't question some information without the threat of getting booted...

I honeslty don'r mean any harm....just not as knowledgable as I should be and I'm finding
conflicting information and would like to get clarity.

Offline RapidRod

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Re: Kissing and oral sex
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2008, 11:19:48 PM »
Then I suggest you read the Lesson section.  This is an accessment forum not a Q and A forum. If you believe you have had a risk ask your question.
« Last Edit: December 26, 2008, 11:22:12 PM by RapidRod »

Offline rockstarsinger

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Re: Kissing and oral sex
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2008, 11:27:16 PM »
I did read lesson section and that's partly why I'm asking the questions that I posted.
The lesson section leaves room for doubt with regards to my questions.

And I don't want to get into a tiff with anyone here I just want to better educate myself.
I belive knowledge is the best way to protect ourselves...

Offline RapidRod

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Re: Kissing and oral sex
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2008, 11:30:21 PM »
Try using a condoms for anal and vaginal sex and don't share works with others.  You aren't going to contract HIV from kissing and you aren't going to contract HIV from receiving a blowjob.

Offline rockstarsinger

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Re: Kissing and oral sex
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2008, 11:36:51 PM »
Is there a way to read detailed information regarding the "scientific data and studies" that you previoulsy referred to (other than on the lesson plan)?  If so, where can I find it.  I assume that the data and studies are published somewhere for us to read.

Offline RapidRod

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Re: Kissing and oral sex
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2008, 11:42:10 PM »
Go to your library and look it up in JAMA and the New England Journal of Medicine. You can also look up the serodiscordant studies. The two ref. above you have to pay to subscribe.

Offline RapidRod

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Re: Kissing and oral sex
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2008, 11:48:21 PM »
No incident HIV infections among MSM who practice exclusively oral sex.
Int Conf AIDS 2004 Jul 11-16; 15:(abstract no. WePpC2072)??Balls JE, Evans JL, Dilley J, Osmond D, Shiboski S, Shiboski C, Klausner J, McFarland W, Greenspan D, Page-Shafer K?University of California, San Francisco, San Francisco, United States

Oral transmission of HIV, reality or fiction? An update
J Campo1, MA Perea1, J del Romero2, J Cano1, V Hernando2, A Bascones1
Oral Diseases (2006) 12, 219228

AIDS:  Volume 16(17)  22 November 2002  pp 2350-2352
Risk of HIV infection attributable to oral sex among men who have sex with men and in the population of men who have sex with men

Page-Shafer, Kimberlya,b; Shiboski, Caroline Hb; Osmond, Dennis Hc; Dilley, Jamesd; McFarland, Willie; Shiboski, Steve Cc; Klausner, Jeffrey De; Balls, Joycea; Greenspan, Deborahb; Greenspan

Page-Shafer K, Veugelers PJ, Moss AR, Strathdee S, Kaldor JM, van Griensven GJ. Sexual risk behavior and risk factors for HIV-1 seroconversion in homosexual men participating in the Tricontinental Seroconverter Study, 1982-1994 [published erratum appears in Am J Epidemiol 1997 15 Dec; 146(12):1076]. Am J Epidemiol 1997, 146:531-542.

Offline rockstarsinger

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Ann, Andy, Annie
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2009, 10:45:43 AM »
The below has nothing to do with the above thread.  I am clear on the information that I have read on this site and others.  HIV is not transmitted via kissing and insertive oral sex as I have come across this same info. on other sites as well.  I would like to be clear on the below question as I have found different information.  Please consider helping me be crystal clear...

I have read a few different sites including this one with regards to initial infection and thereafter.
I found different opinions as to my search.  I would like to get your point of view as to what "generally"
happens after the initial hiv infection.  Get sich for a short period then feel perfectly normal for
what time frame...."generally".  At what point does other illnesses/OI's occur?  2 yrs. later, 5 yrs, later?
what's the norm?

Offline RapidRod

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Re: Kissing and oral sex
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2009, 10:56:15 AM »
Not all people that get infected get sick. Must people don't get OIs. OIs is not based on a time line but on their CD4 count. Most people that are infected and on HAART never get OIs.

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Re: Kissing and oral sex
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2009, 05:25:24 PM »

The only thing that is "clear" is the fact that you don't believe us that you didn't have a risk.

Go test and collect your negative result if that's what it takes. You will not be permitted to use this forum as a place to wring your hands over this NO RISK situation.

You didn't have a risk. Get over it.

If you read the Welcome Thread like you're supposed to before posting, you will have read the following posting guideline:

Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple.

Condoms are a girl's best friend

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