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Voting closed: September 03, 2006, 01:45:48 PM

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Offline allopathicholistic

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HEY ALL: Need your opinions
« on: August 04, 2006, 01:45:48 PM »
 :o  :-\ 

  **Gross pics WARNING** Do not proceed if you're eating ..........I'm asking for your vote because of the recent buzz about HIV hiding in the gut mucosal lining Thank you everyone

Picture Gallery - CLICK HERE

=========

Our threads about HIV in the gut:
poz.com Thread 1
poz.com Thread 2
poz.com Thread 3

I'm not a salesperson for the DrNatura company
« Last Edit: August 04, 2006, 03:15:43 PM by allopathicholistic »

Offline alisenjafi

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Re: HEY ALL: Need your opinions
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2006, 03:00:42 PM »
I have used a colon cleaner a few times, TwinLabs. Also if you want to go on the cheap just take a tablespoon ( I think ) of epsom salt.
This side effect of wanting to take pictures of your ultra clean toilet with scat on it makes me want to skip this stuff.
I wonder about this product because any and everytime I used a colon cleaner crap came out, this stuff looks like it is eating their stomaches out. The fact it is strung together makes me think it is dubious. Sort of like curried seaweed.
Cheers
Johnny
« Last Edit: August 04, 2006, 03:07:48 PM by alisenjafi »
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Offline lydgate

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Re: HEY ALL: Need your opinions
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2006, 07:42:25 PM »
Check this story out. I read it a few years ago and it's stayed with me. It's pretty funny.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,663391,00.html

Jay
« Last Edit: August 04, 2006, 07:57:15 PM by lydgate »
Her finely-touched spirit had still its fine issues, though they were not widely visible. Her full nature, like that river of which Cyrus broke the strength, spent itself in channels which had no great name on the earth. But the effect of her being on those around her was incalculably diffusive: for the growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs.

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Offline Steven

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Re: HEY ALL: Need your opinions
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2006, 08:43:35 PM »
Alex,

Haven't we warned you plenty of times you need to cook your food before you try to eat?  :D


Offline HIVworker

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Re: HEY ALL: Need your opinions
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2006, 12:13:27 AM »
Nice Scat!!

I guess the question I have for you is what you feel this would do regarding HIV hiding in your gut (I notice you cited some of the discussion threads about it). I'm not against the idea at all but I have some questions that I don't know the answer to.

While it is a medical fact that infrequent bowel movements can lead to the buildup of toxins in the colon and such treatments might help with this, I just wonder about the context of an HIV positive person.

Recent research has indicated that HIV replicates in the gut and does much to destroy immune function there. Part of the gut is serviced by 'natural flora' that we live with. It is thought that such flora act as a barrier to more pathogenic microbes.

The question I have is whether such flushing is getting rid of this bacteria and allowing the buildup of other pathogens. I guess I haven't thought it through yet, but that could be a concern. This product is for people with constipation and might be good for that, but people with HIV have the 180 degree problem and such irrigation could be more harmful. 

R
NB. Any advice about HIV is given in addition to your own medical advice and not intended to replace it. You should never make clinical decisions based on what anyone says on the internet but rather check with your ID doctor first. Discussions from the internet are just that - Discussions. They may give you food for thought, but they should not direct you to do anything but fuel discussion.

Offline allopathicholistic

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Re: HEY ALL: Need your opinions
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2006, 01:36:39 AM »
Alex,

Haven't we warned you plenty of times you need to cook your food before you try to eat?  :D

LOL  ;D

Jay: Thanks - I was searching for that long lost webpage  ;)

Johnny: Sorry - I know the pics are foul  :-[

HIVworker: My train of thought (which might very well be dead wrong) was something like:
- get rid of hiding places for virii (i.e. strip away unhealthy mucosa. uhh, is that crap mucosa? ??? --- yes? no?  ???  serious question, someone please answer. thanks),
- reduce workload for the immune system
- reduce ailments
- blah, blah, blah

Anyway, based on the above, I'm aware I'm now at sky-high risk for looking like a complete science-impaired nim-rod, but this kinda stuff is up my alley (my holistic alley)
... Thanks everyone


Offline J.R.E.

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Re: HEY ALL: Need your opinions
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2006, 02:10:35 AM »
Hello Alex,

 You must be watching too many of those late night info-commercials.  ;)  I am only kidding you. Every once in a while I catch that commercial on TV, with that tall thin guy, trying to sell some "COLON BLOW" product. He sits at the table opposite the other two, that just sit there and nod their heads and say" ahum, ahum" In all honesty, I have to say , That on more then several occasions this product has caught my eye. And I have been slightly curious about it, but to date, I have never tried any of these products. It the long run it still boils down to eating properly and nutritiously. Which is ,as we know, the best thing we can do for ourselves. Its not to say that somewhere down the road I may experiment a little. But I would be concerned, about blowing the meds out of my butt, before they had a chance to do anything !! :o

As far as those pictures shown : I just don't know about that ! It's really nice, I didn't notice a pair of latex gloves on her hand, while she is handling this so called, what ever it was. Looked liked partially cooked bacon to me. I


I don't believe the pictures shown are real. Just my thoughts. And I am really not sure about this, but wouldn't an occasional EX-LAX do just about the same thing !!




Ray
« Last Edit: August 05, 2006, 02:12:07 AM by J.R.E. »
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Offline allopathicholistic

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Re: HEY ALL: Need your opinions
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2006, 02:18:15 AM »
I would be concerned, about blowing the meds out of my butt, before they had a chance to do anything !! :o

ROTFL Ray! good point!  :D  ;D  :D  ;D   
:)

Offline Dachshund

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Re: HEY ALL: Need your opinions
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2006, 08:37:28 AM »
LOL  ;D

Jay: Thanks - I was searching for that long lost webpage  ;)

Johnny: Sorry - I know the pics are foul  :-[

HIVworker: My train of thought (which might very well be dead wrong) was something like:
- get rid of hiding places for virii (i.e. strip away unhealthy mucosa. uhh, is that crap mucosa? ??? --- yes? no?  ???  serious question, someone please answer. thanks),
- reduce workload for the immune system
- reduce ailments
- blah, blah, blah

Anyway, based on the above, I'm aware I'm now at sky-high risk for looking like a complete science-impaired nim-rod, but this kinda stuff is up my alley (my holistic alley)
... Thanks everyone



Alex you use this stuff and it looks like you will have nothing up your alley.LOL Seriously, I think HIVworker brings up some very valid points. Right now my meds are doing an excellent job flushing out my colon. To good in fact.

Offline fearless

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Re: HEY ALL: Need your opinions
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2006, 09:21:25 AM »
OK Alex and others,
Your gonna learn more about my bowel movements than I probably want to tell you. But, here goes.
You may recall my chronic diarrhoea a while back. A few people on here suggested Metamucil, which is basically psyllium husks, a soluble fibre that bulks out in your digestive system once you drunk/eaten it. It bulks out your stools, helping to move waste through your system if constipated and giving the stool some bulk and form if you have diarrhoea. The Colonix stuff is also psyllium husks with some other herbs thrown in.
When I saw the pictures, I thought what a load of crock, but I was then reminded of my diarrhoea. At the time, someone on here suggested, amongst other things, Metamucil, so I tried it. I was also giving stool samples at the time to test for other bugs/parasites, and though nothing quiet like that came out of my butt, my stools were rubbery/stringy and almost impossible to separate to get the sample. I was getting this and I have a healthy diet. With some of the crap people put into their systems and with a sedentary lifestyle I am not surprised that stuff like that did come out.
I was also reminded of a UK television documentary series called 'The Body Snatchers' which was all about bugs, worms, parasites etc that can invade the human body. Gross, but again the pictures donn't surprise having seen this program.
Stephen
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Offline HIVworker

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Re: HEY ALL: Need your opinions
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2006, 03:38:11 PM »
HIVworker: My train of thought (which might very well be dead wrong) was something like:
- get rid of hiding places for virii (i.e. strip away unhealthy mucosa. uhh, is that crap mucosa? ??? --- yes? no?  ???  serious question, someone please answer. thanks),

No, that won't get rid of HIV replication in the gut. It is my understanding that it is deeper in the tissue than the flushing would reach. I'll check that point and get back to you.

R
NB. Any advice about HIV is given in addition to your own medical advice and not intended to replace it. You should never make clinical decisions based on what anyone says on the internet but rather check with your ID doctor first. Discussions from the internet are just that - Discussions. They may give you food for thought, but they should not direct you to do anything but fuel discussion.

Offline allopathicholistic

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Re: HEY ALL: Need your opinions
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2006, 06:49:01 PM »
No, that won't get rid of HIV replication in the gut. It is my understanding that it is deeper in the tissue than the flushing would reach. I'll check that point and get back to you.

R

ya, I was thinking more "reduce" as oppposed to "get rid" - my mistake .... anyway i'll wager 100 bucks that you are correct .. *Thank you for even giving this 5 minutes of your time!* many in virology would not be a fraction as open-minded  :-* plus i know your career keeps you busy busy busy :) Alex
« Last Edit: August 06, 2006, 06:54:40 PM by allopathicholistic »

Offline clarke

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Re: HEY ALL: Need your opinions
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2006, 03:07:00 PM »
I had bad diarahea while living in TN.  Even to the point that if I was in a Walmart, Lowe's or some place big like that, if I was on the other side of the store, well, I knew I was going to be throwing away my skivvies, and even washing my shorts/jeans in the sink when the restroom was vacant.  I would HAVE to stop on the side of the road, or wherever and haul ass out of the car to go. 

After moving up here, and getting more info on diet and stuff, I started eating yoghurt and tried eating more healthier (natural raised meats, fish, organic veggies etc.).  I have more "contol", but when I have to go, I'd better be pretty close to a restroom (or bush/tree  ::) ).

I'm not really sure about "Dr. Natura" stuff, I've always been leery of those infomercials (like Ray mentioned), and before I try any of that stuff, I'd want more scientific info as far as how this will affect my system with all of the meds, and how will it affect the virus and how it works in general.

Oh, I did find something new/different to eat.  I love "hot" foods that have some kind of chili's in it (Habenero, Jalepenos).  Well, Dorito's has some chips with habenero in it, and I like dipping them into the Snack-pak chocolate pudding for "hot" chocolate pudding.  ;D

Offline Lwood

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Re: HEY ALL: Need your opinions
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2006, 10:32:11 AM »
First of all, thanks for the warning, I often read through the Nutrition section while eating.

Those pictures looked very similar to a 'Layout' I saw on the Shock website Rotten.com under the title 'Tissue Cleansing'   ( Im not going to make a link to Rotten. its pretty obscene and Pornographic)
 Anyway , the Idea of Colon Cleansing has aparently been around for quite awhile and I cant help but wonder if the unusual stools that seem to be near perfect molds of the bowel, are possibly caused by the fiber materiel itself, one of the testimonials on the DrNatura seems to support this, it seemed that the more he took, the more dramatic his crap became..  I'm assuming that the cleansing product is some type of insoluble fiber that essentially 'sets up' and makes a cast of your bowel and then comes out in a scary looking intestine shaped gob that can be twirled around on a stick, or fished out with a knife and fork, which I thought was a particularly nice photographic touch. Youd think that someone who had the presence of mind to pack a digital camera to the shitter with them would have also brought along some gloves and a set of Barbecue Tongs and possibly one of those Fish scale and Ruler Combo gadgets.....Afterall if these folks are so concerned with the Colon health of Humanity that theyre willing to go bobbing around their own Shit, they should be halfway Scientific about it.

As for the issue of HIV hiding in the Gut, I hope that they someday find a way to kill it off so that it can be  Shit out, like a tapeworm. Now there would be one that Id personally net out, and put on the mantle, right between  the Largemouth Bass and the Swordfish...

Lwood
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Offline lydgate

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Re: HEY ALL: Need your opinions
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2006, 12:47:29 PM »
Lwood, I think we need a diiferent picture. The one from November 16, preferably; failing that, the December 26 one.  ;) J.
Her finely-touched spirit had still its fine issues, though they were not widely visible. Her full nature, like that river of which Cyrus broke the strength, spent itself in channels which had no great name on the earth. But the effect of her being on those around her was incalculably diffusive: for the growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs.

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