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Offline Patrick82

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Risk Question (from a grateful former poster)
« on: January 18, 2009, 02:07:21 PM »
Hello Everyone, its been a few years since I posted on this sight, but I have another incident I would like to ask about. I remember Ann and Andy being so kind to me during that period in my life. I was the soldier leaving for Iraq that had unprotected anal sex. Anyway, here is my current dilemma. Last night I met with a guy and we had a session of mutual masturbation. We had no anal or oral sex whatsoever. Basically what happened was he jerked himself off and started to pre-cum and I did the same. Then he grabbed my penis with his hand and began to jerk me off. I had pre-cum still coming out and he had it on his hands. I know we mixed our pre-cum during this innocent and that his pre-cum also came into contact with my urethra and meatus. I also jerked him off as well, getting pre-cum on my hand. We did not actually cum and before things got heavy he did inform me that he had surgery to remove HPV from his anus a few months prior. Now I am alittle worried. Some websites say that I have no worries about any std (including hiv and hpv), but others say that I would be at a huge risk, I consider you guys the resource to trust.

1. Given this level of exposure, could I have been infected with HIV (he also told me he has been a very active guy), given the pre-cum contact with my urethra?
 
2. Should I be tested for other stds? (I just recently got tested so this would be my only incident of concern)

3. Is there a chance I am at risk for getting HPV since he is a carrier?

I appreciated his honesty but just wish he would have told me prior. Thanks again for your help and I am so glad to be in touch with you all again (especially over something I would guess is low risk)

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Re: Risk Question (from a grateful former poster)
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2009, 04:15:35 PM »
At no time were you at risk by masturbation.

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Re: Risk Question (from a grateful former poster)
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2009, 06:18:53 PM »
No matter what details you throw into the mix, including pre-cum, sperm and whatever, mutual masturbation is absolutely not a risk for HIV transmission. So you have nothing to be concerned about as far as that is concerned nor any need for testing.

We do in general recommend that anyone who's sexually active ought to regularly have a full STD panel done because other STDs are much easier to acquire than HIV. That means at least annually and more frequently if there are any troubling symptoms.

But as far as HIV is concerned you don't have anything to worry about in relation to this yanking situation.

Cheers.
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Re: Risk Question (from a grateful former poster)
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2009, 12:06:20 AM »
Thank you Rod and Andy for your comments regarding my recent encounter. There is a multitude of information and misinformation online regarding HIV and its transmission, I appreciate the clarification. Are there any websites that you all would recommend, where I can get information regarding other std's, including HPV, that I may be at risk for. My last full std screening was very recent, so I am just curious on if I should repeat it for this incident. If I wasnt at risk for any of them, then I will just simply move on. Thanks again for all you do. Patrick

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Re: Risk Question (from a grateful former poster)
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2009, 07:58:54 AM »
Here's one: http://www.stdresource.com/concern/c1_d_3_a.php

You can also contact any AIDS Service organization or a Board of Health in your area.
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Re: Risk Question (from a grateful former poster)
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2009, 07:39:34 PM »
Thanks again, a week after my mutual masterbation incident, I became very sick. My symptoms were a fever, malaise, body aches, severe stomach cramps, and headache. This has lasted about 2 days, but is clearing up now. Would the advice given remain the same. That this was a no risk situation? Thankyou so much.

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Re: Risk Question (from a grateful former poster)
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2009, 07:47:16 PM »
Yes you would get the same advice. NO RISK.

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Re: Risk Question (from a grateful former poster)
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2009, 09:12:57 AM »
In life people do get sick from time to time. In your case it had nothing to do with HIV even if your head tells you otherwise. You did not have any risk for transmission. And there's no need for testing. And if you get a cold or something else as you well may, it doesn't change the facts of what you have reported.

No risk. Period.
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Re: Risk Question (from a grateful former poster)
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2009, 11:33:10 PM »
Hi again everyone,

            The responses sent have greatly relieved my anxiety over my mutual masterbation incident. I have tried just simply talking to the guy I was with to relieve my stress, but he will not return my calls (so I am assuming the worst). Anyway, I have a question regarding the sites that state specialized cells on the head of the penis and mucous membrane of the urethra make hiv transmission possible. Is this when having unprotected intercourse and the fluids gain access to these cells while inside the body? Is it the fact that the mutual masterbation is outside the body which makes it a zero risk? Sorry for such a detailed question, its just hard to understand where some of these other sites are coming from. Mutual masterbation is rarely addressed, just the broad statement of transmission being possible thru the urethra. I know a lot of posters worry about getting infected precum and cum near the head of the penis and even inside the urethra. So, I think this would provide clarification for a lot of us low risk posters that are worried about this type of activity.

And on a different note, I'd like to send a warm regards to Ann, I didnt get an answer from you last time, but I want to wish you well. You really helped me out the last time during my high risk exposure 3yrs ago.

Regards,
Patrick

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Re: Risk Question (from a grateful former poster)
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2009, 12:19:02 AM »
A couple of things.

Firstly, as a return poster, you should know about the mechanisms of HIV transmission and that your exposure was nothing.

Secondly, you assume the worst because someone won't return your calls? That's jumping to pretty big conclusions isn't it? What happened to more likely scenario's like they don't want to talk to you because they don't want a relationship? How does being more active make them at a higher risk for being HIV positive? They didn't do anything risky with you, so what makes you think they have HIV?

Let's be calmer and more rational about this. If you could get HIV from this sort of contact, pretty much everyone should have it....and they don't. HIV transmission even after insertive anal sex does not occur 100% of the time.

Let's not go into detailed questions such as the one you have asked. I've been on this forum enough to know that even a detailed answer to such a question will cause concern - even when there is nothing to worry about as in your case.

So let's be practical and look at the things we can control. Get yourself more educated on STDs and their method of transmission. For HIV you are being a little over-worried. Secondly, should you get tested for STDs if you are sexually active? Of course you should....not because you have done anything in this exposure to make that so, just everyone should get tested if they are sexually active.

I won't answer your detailed question and I doubt that anyone else will. It's the wrong thing to focus on right now, even thought you won't agree. "Just this question" turns into "what if..." and that's a road you don't want to go down.

Don't second guess things and don't look at things in too much detail here. The sorts of masturbation you mention are not considered risky - if they were it would be clearly documented and it is not.

So let's work on those things such as education of STDs and not on the things that you might invent because you are just worried or scared of HIV.

R
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Re: Risk Question (from a grateful former poster)
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2009, 06:14:54 AM »
Patrick,

Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus. Successful hiv transmission happens INSIDE the human body, as in unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. When hiv is outside the body, small changes in temperature, moisture content and pH levels all quickly damage the virus and render it unable to infect.

Mutual masturbation has NEVER resulted in transmission and you won't be the first person this happens to. Really.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann
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Kissing Question
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2010, 04:54:39 PM »
Hey gang,

I just have a quick question I'd like to ask about a recent incident. I have posted before but it was quite awhile ago, so I hope it's okay to start a new thread. Is there a risk of deep "wet" kissing if both guys have chapped lips. I get them really bad during this time of the year. Also, if I kiss someone deeply after just eating and brushing teeth, is the risk really that significant? My gum's do tend to bleed alittle after brushing, but I have heard there has been only one exposure this way. Lastly, is dry humping with clothes on safe, even though you discover that your partner developed a "wet spot" on his jeans. Thanks for any help you can provide and I hope to hear from you all again.

Patrick

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Re: Kissing Question
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2010, 04:59:02 PM »
Your question will not be answered until you return to your original thread. Take the time to read the posting guidelines in the "Welcome" thread.

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Re: Risk Question (from a grateful former poster)
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2010, 05:02:06 PM »
I've merged your threads. Please follow our rule and stick to using only this thread for any entries you want to make.

In terms of sexual risk for transmission of HIV it's not complicated. Just always make sure that condoms are being used for vaginal and anal intercourse and you will be well protected.

Kissing, rubbing and any variations thereof are absolutely not a risk for HIV transmission. Period.

You are worrying needlessly.
Andy Velez

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Re: Risk Question (from a grateful former poster)
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2011, 12:07:07 PM »
Hi Everyone, I have a question concerning an incident, which occurred last night. I posted a year ago, so hope its okay to still use this tread even though it really does not relate to this incident. I am an avid runner and occasionally I will develop a small sore on the tip of my penis, near the opening, from friction and sweat. It doesn’t happen all the time but usually after a very long run when I have not worn the proper support. Anyway, I currently have one of those sores, which developed after a long run the other day and have been treating it accordingly. However, after going out with a guy last night things got alittle hot and heavy.  We ended up making out, touching each others genitals, and giving each other brief oral. During the oral I felt pain from the sore, as it was being irritated, and I made him stop. He then jacked me off till completion. Now I am completely clean, but of course worried about his health. The sore just seems to be exasperating my worry. After the nights encounter I went home and found that the tip of my penis (the sore) was extremely red, very inflamed, and obviously irritated from the oral/jacking. Given my sore and the irritation that occurred due to the oral/jacking; Am I at any risk for HIV? I know from being a previous poster than in general being given oral is safe. How safe is it given my circumstance? Thanks in advance.

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Re: Risk Question (from a grateful former poster)
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2011, 02:14:26 PM »
Patrick,

It doesn't matter how sore, inflamed or chaffed your penis is, as saliva is NOT infectious, getting a blowjob is NOT a risk for hiv infection. Neither is masturbation, mutual or otherwise.

We've told you repeatedly - use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE!!!

And by the way...

Now I am completely clean,

I'm glad you bathe regularly, but if you're referring to your sexual health, I want you to know that this is a very offensive way to go about it. I'm clean too - just had a shower an hour ago - and I'm hiv positive as well. Do not use the "clean" terminology here again as it implies that those of us who are poz are dirty. As I said, it's OFFENSIVE!

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Non-Sexual Related Question
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2012, 10:56:24 PM »
Ann and Andy,

It's been over a year since I last had a question and am pleased to report that for almost the same time I've been in a wonderful, monogamous relationship. However, I do have a non-sexual concern, which I'd like to have your input on. The other day I visited a family member who was in need of help. He lives in a bad part of town and was having neighbor issues. I was wearing cheap sandals (flip-flops in some areas) and walking/standing in an area of high grass and litter. My family member said there are problems with trash being thrown in his yard to include hypodermic needles. Once he said this I became terrified. Being it was late in the evening I was unable to see the ground and "watch my step."

Would stepping on or scraping a hypodermic needle be a risk for hiv infection? My concern is wearing the cheap sandals as a needle could probably penetrate the bottoms or scrap/penetrate my foot from the open sides and top.

I was bit up pretty bad by mosquitos, so wouldnt have noticed any sharp pricks or bleeding probably, as I was already from the bites.

Also, does slapping a mosquito and getting blood on your skin equal any risk?

Thank you so much in advance. Your forum is the only one where I feel I can get true advice.

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Re: Non-Sexual Related Question
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2012, 10:57:57 PM »

■Please do not start a new thread every time you have another question or thought - regardless if you think your questions are related to each other or not. It helps us to help you when you keep all your thoughts or questions in one thread and it helps other readers to follow the discussion. Additional threads will be merged.

■If you cannot find your thread, click on the "Show own posts" link in the left-hand column of any forum page, under your name.

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Re: Non-Sexual Related Question
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2012, 11:05:30 PM »
Moderators:

Please forgive my indiscretion. I did search my previous posts, but hit "start new thread" instead of "reply" by mistake. I can assure you this was not done maliciously. I apologize for my ignorance and hope this does not jeopardize my standing with the poz forum.

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Re: Risk Question (from a grateful former poster)
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2012, 08:52:20 AM »
OK. I have merged your threads here. This is the only thread in which you should be writing.

Nothing in your latest set of worries is a risk for HIV transmission. Stop creating problems where there aren't any. Re-read some of the response you have had in the past. They cover the only real risks for HIV transmission.

Keep it simple and get on with your life.
Andy Velez

 


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