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Unique rough oral risk
« on: January 04, 2009, 08:52:45 AM »
Hi..I had sex protected oral and vaginal, approximately 2 weeks ago with a russian CSW.  The last three days I have had a slight fever and and continue to have chills, and the last 3 days I have a scratchy throat and stomach ache.  I am also more tired than usual, taking constant naps in the day and not sleeping well at night. The time of the sickness falls exactly in line with when ARS symtoms occur. 

I had an HIV test 6 months ago, negative, but now I am worried that I may have contracted HIV from this sexual encounter. It just seems to perfect in timing, my sickness to my sexual encounter, even though I am 100% positive the condom was used correctly for oral and vaginal sex, no breaking or slipping, at all, unless it had a hole, was defective or something i am unaware of. 

The sex was completly protected but I am feeling worried that I contracted HIV and that I was the exception to the rule that condoms are virtually safe.  What is my real risk for HIV from protected oral and vaginal sex? Do I need to get tested for "safe sex" encounter like this with a condom, maybe I am that 1% that contracted HIV from protected sex?  Please help me I am worried to death that my fever is most positively ARS related and that though effective in preventing HIV, I was the exception to the rule with protected sex.  PLEASE HELP, and forgive me for my ignorance, but I am worried.

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Re: Realistic risk...or guilt and worry? Please help :)
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2009, 09:21:57 AM »
cyal,

There IS NO 1% who got infected from protected intercourse. Condoms have been proven to prevent hiv infection. People who get infected weren't using condoms, or the condom broke. Yours didn't break. You'd know if it did, it's VERY noticable.

And getting a blowjob, with or without a condom, is NOT a risk for hiv infection.

You didn't have a risk. Whatever is going on with you has nothing to do with hiv. It's cold and flu season, remember? If you continue to feel unwell, see a doctor. It's nothing to do with hiv.

Ann
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Re: Realistic risk...or guilt and worry? Please help :)
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2009, 10:08:36 AM »
Thank you Ann for the response and for you honesty and help.  I am still worried but I hope it will pass and that my symptoms are just normal flu symptoms.  I still have a lot to learn about transmission and risks, all I know, is to always wear a condom, and I always do and I hope this keeps me safe. I just get worried with the timing of my symptoms and the what if scenarios.  Thank you again :)

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Re: Realistic risk...or guilt and worry? Please help :)
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2009, 11:02:18 AM »
What ifs, worries and other anxious states are about feelings and not facts. There is nothing based in HIV science which indicates you had any risk in what you have reported.
Andy Velez

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Re: Realistic risk...or guilt and worry? Please help :)
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2009, 08:06:53 AM »
Hello again...I am now freaking out a bit.  It has been 7 days and I still have a dry cough and feverish chills every so often.  I surfed the internet and see that a fever and dry cough is a sure tell sign on ARS..it fits perfectly into the window period of 2 weeks when I had protected vaginal and oral sex. 

I will get tested at 10 weeks, but this just seems to much of a coincidence.  I am starting to feel like it is without a doubt going to be HIV positive.  I am turning in my head the encounter and was positive that the condom was in tact and did not break...the anxiety and inevitable results are too much.

How can I possible be infected after protected sex..I always use a condom when I have sex, no exceptions, but can I be the exception in this case?  How accurate are the symptoms..they just seem to spot on to be anything else?  Worried, need help :( 

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Re: Realistic risk...or guilt and worry? Please help :)
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2009, 08:41:55 AM »
Neither the presence nor the absence of symptoms will ever tell you anything accurately about your HIV status. Only an HIV test can give you the answer you want.

And the coincidence of symptoms is just that -- coincidence. Nothing you have reported put you at risk for HIV transmission, no matter what your fearful mind says to the contrary. Discuss your symptoms with your doctor if they persist.

This is not an HIV situation. Period. And I certainly expect you will test negative.
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Re: Realistic risk...or guilt and worry? Please help :)
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2009, 08:42:48 AM »
cyal,

As I said to you in my first post, it's cold and flu season.

Symptoms mean nothing where hiv is concerned, despite what some websites try to tell you.

You didn't have a risk and you don't need to test. Whatever is going on with you has nothing to do with hiv.

Ann
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Is their a possibility of infection?
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2009, 04:34:25 PM »
Hi...I know you have answered this, but other sites on the web are a little ambiguous on the facts, so i am looking for the scientific truth, if it exists. 

I had sex with a professional escort, the oral sex was 100% protected and the vaginal was also 100% protected and the condom did not break.  Is their a possibility of infection, even a remote risk?  Do I need to test after this type of encounter with a sex worker, even if it is protected?  Thank you for the help and clarity.

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Re: Is their a possibility of infection?
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2009, 07:14:46 PM »
Your questions will not be answered until you return to your original thread. Take the time to read the posting guidelines located in the "Welcome" thread.

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Re: Realistic risk...or guilt and worry? Please help :)
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2009, 08:27:51 PM »
Cyal, I have merged your threads. Please follow our rule and keep all of your entries in this same thread.

Even if you had not used a condom for receiving oral it would not have been a risk. No guy has ever become infected by getting oral. Not once in the entire epidemic.

Condoms provide very effective protection against HIV transmission via both vaginal and anal intercourse. So you did exactly the right thing to protect yourself.

When you use a condom it doesn't matter whom you are with. You are protected. Somehow guys have a misconception that they are at greater risk with a professional than with a civilian. It's not whom you are with. It's the protection you use that makes the difference.

Bottom line is you have nothing to be concerned about regarding HIV and this recent incident. We do in general recommend that anyone who's sexually active ought to at least annually have a full STD panel done. Other STDs are much easier to acquire than HIV.

Cheers.
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Offline cyal

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Unique rough oral risk
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2009, 01:16:36 PM »
Hi,

I recently was at a massage parlor and received oral sex with a condom.  The oral was rough and a little painful but the condom was in tact, in the end I removed the condom and just had the girl finish me with a hand job.  After I went to shower and saw that the head of my penis was extremely raw and red (almost like a burn on the skin), my penis head skin had been damaged.  My question is:

1.  The oral was hard and obviously she burned with teeth (for lack of a better word) the head of my penis, even with the condom fully on and in tact, could the condom have had micro holes or spots where her saliva penetrated and came in contact with my exposed "burnt red" head of my penis?
2.  Since the oral caused some damage to the skin of my penis, could the handjob she performed after put me at risk for HIV transmission, as she may have had a cut or saliva from a cold or something that could come in contact with my damaged exposed penis head?
3.  Since this may be a unique case, do I need to get tested?  I know under normal circumstances it would be a resounding NO, but since the oral was rough and my penis clearly incurred some damage could this be an exception to the rule for HIV exposure?

Thank you for the help and I hope this unique case has an answer for me :) I am a bit worried about it.

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Re: Unique rough oral risk
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2009, 01:43:22 PM »
Nothing you did put you at risk of contracting HIV.

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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2009, 03:00:50 PM »
Cyal,

Once again, We've had to merge your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. Get with the program! It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you'd bothered to read the Welcome Thread before posting like you're supposed to, you'd know this.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.



A unique blowjob? Give me a break. We've heard that same exact story hundreds of times. Rough blowjob, handjob, whatever. Nothing that happened to you in this scenario was a risk for hiv infection. None of it.

Even if you didn't have a condom on when you got the blowjob, you still wouldn't have been at risk for hiv infection. Not one person has EVER been infected from a blowjob or a handjob - no matter what details of damage you want to add - and you will NOT be the first.

We're not here to hold your hand every time you go to a sex worker and freak yourself out. As long as you're using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple. If you haven't already, read through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use them with confidence.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Offline cyal

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Risk of condom breaking
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2009, 12:32:14 PM »
Is their any quantifiable risk (data) for heterosexual male contracting HIV from a condom breaking, and immediately pulling out aware of the breakage. 

No sites on the web discuss this, in particle terms, so my guess is that no one really knows if this puts a heterosexual male at risk and warrants immediate testing? 

I mean, obviously for a split second you are exposed, but what is the realistic chance of contraction?  and does this mean that an HIV test is necessary after 4 weeks no matter what, or do you get a routine yearly test as a sexually active person?

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Re: Unique rough oral risk
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2009, 01:20:20 PM »
I've never known of anyone having become infected through a condom break. I suggest that one of the reasons you're not finding anything about this is because transmission doesn't happen in this manner when the possible exposure is very brief.

And yes, we do as a precaution advise getting tested when it happens and that includes testing out to the full 13 weeks. I don't know where you are picking up the idea of 4 weeks. The average time to seroconversion is 22 days. Initial testing can be done at 6 weeks since all but the very smallest number of those who seroconvert will do so within 4-6 weeks after an exposure. For a conclusive negative result we adhere to the CDC's recommendation of testing at 13 weeks, although a negative at 6 weeks is highly unlikely to change at 13 weeks.
Andy Velez

 


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