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Author Topic: The Plain Truth About Christmas  (Read 1746 times)

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Offline Merlin

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The Plain Truth About Christmas
« on: December 23, 2008, 07:11:08 PM »
Just in case you ever wondered about things that goes bump in the night and your stockings stayed empty or how it got full....just in case... ;)


The Plain Truth About Christmas
http://home.sprynet.com/~pabco/ptofxmas.htm

Who is this man?:
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Re: The Plain Truth About Christmas
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2008, 07:39:56 PM »
Blessed Be!

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Re: The Plain Truth About Christmas
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2008, 08:59:01 PM »
But the "Christmas spirit" is created each year, not to honor Christ, but to sell merchandise. Like all Satan's delusions, it appears as an "angel of light," is made to appear good. Billions of dollars are spent in this merchandising spree every year, while the cause of Christ must suffer.

And here I thought I was a hypocrite because I'm not a christian but love Christmas! This explains everything! Ahh... my cognitive dissonance is resolved.

Merry Christmas!

Offline Merlin

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Re: The Plain Truth About Christmas
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2008, 09:21:57 AM »
Words of "Truth" (depends on how much one chooses to believe) may have had been spoken, but as usual, none should be taken 100% to heart and committed to memory and practice, without first self reflecting through one's instinctive compass to guide us along the ways of the world.

Another year, another Christmas, another iPod, another iPhone, another sale.  :o ;D

For what is worth, the article that is, be it controversial or not, give yourself the gift of TRUTH and offer your heart in prayers; and thank our Maker for the gift of life, yet still for another year. :-* Amen, Shalom, Blessed Be! 8)
« Last Edit: December 24, 2008, 09:55:26 AM by Merlin »
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Re: The Plain Truth About Christmas
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2008, 11:09:59 AM »
The observations in the article are hardly revelations. Anyone who's studied history might've learned that Christmas was the Church's way of letting people keep their pagan festival, just like the three holy days that start with Hallowe'en.

It was rather ho-ho-hum until I read 'The name "Santa Claus" is a corruption of the name "St. Nicholas,"' and at that point I realized that the writer is just bitter and probably too coal-hearted to forgive his parents for lying to him about Santa Claus, if he was even raised by humans instead of hyenas. "Corruption" is such a negative word.

Like GSO, you don't have to be Christian to have a merry Christmas.

For me personally, Christmas is about giving, which is why even though Santi and I set a limit on how much to spend on each other, I went way over it! :D

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Re: The Plain Truth About Christmas
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2008, 12:24:51 PM »
I have to say I agree with Cr8on on this one.  The author seems to have some kind of evil grudge, and wants everyone else to feel the same.

I believe that if some observed day, or season, motivates people to give more, love more, embrace goodness more, than let it alone.  It's a good thing for those who get good will etc. out of it.  Why try to ruin it if not for some kind of personal vindication?  To the author of the article, I say "bah."
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Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: The Plain Truth About Christmas
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2008, 05:51:22 PM »
The author seems to have some kind of evil grudge, and wants everyone else to feel the same.

He's totally Grinchy... heart two sizes too small.

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Re: The Plain Truth About Christmas
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2008, 08:38:47 PM »
I don't get where people think this guy's a grinch. He's written an article based on historical fact. Jesus wasn't born in December and the Christian church co-opted the long-standing winter festival. There are many parallels all through history with similar stories for this time of year - and the Jesus story fits the bill nicely. There have been myths surrounding the lengthening of days (winter solstice) since humans first noticed it.


It was rather ho-ho-hum until I read 'The name "Santa Claus" is a corruption of the name "St. Nicholas,"' and at that point I realized that the writer is just bitter and probably too coal-hearted to forgive his parents for lying to him about Santa Claus, if he was even raised by humans instead of hyenas. "Corruption" is such a negative word.


Actually, no, in this context, "corruption" isn't really a negative word. It's a term used in linguistics to denote changes to a word or phrase over time.

If you say "Saint Nicholas" with an American accent, you won't hear where Santa Claus comes from. If you pronounce it "Saunt Niklaus" and say it quickly, you'll hear it.

Ann
(who's a bit of an armchair etymologist) ;D
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Re: The Plain Truth About Christmas
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2008, 05:00:21 AM »
I don't get where people think this guy's a grinch.

I suppose it's because of how he starts out writing about how his parents had him believing in the whole Christmas scene, and he "never questioned it" etc. (as if this is what a child should do).  If he just would have written the article, without what seems like assigning blame for what he "used" to believe in, it might have come across different.

I've known for years about Jesus not being actually "born" on Christmas Day.  I imagine, if I were really into history and researched it enough, a couple of the presidents weren't really born on the days we celebrate here in the states either.  Who cares?  I don't make a huge deal about it being about the birth of Christ.  I like the giving spirit it seems to give a lot of people (I know this doesn't mean everyone), and generally how a lot of people seem to have "good tidings," so to speak. 

There's no harm in either of these things; the tone with which the guy wrote it was very distasteful, IMO.
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Offline Merlin

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Re: The Plain Truth About Christmas
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2008, 02:29:39 AM »
For some balanced logical take on all of this, Bill Maher's " Religulous ", did a great thought provoking documentary on religion per se. In the docu-movie, he was always challenging and sensible in his questions to fanatical believers but never offensive. I highly recommend anyone curious enough about the bigger picture to watch it. I honestly will give it 5 stars rating for its many humorous take on alot of very very delusional proponents of their own faith and the denial of their religion's errors. That itself can also be worrisome & scary. :o

Another great movie in the past worth watching too is, "For the Bible Tells Me So". This one deals with what the Bible did or did not say about homosexuality and how low lives choose to handle their baggages. So much errors in this world... :-\

Can't wait to watch MILK.  Unpleasant ending but very inspiring nevertheless. :)
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