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Offline raysummerss

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Testing Reliability
« on: December 24, 2008, 11:51:53 AM »
Hi how is everyone...  I want to let the mods know that u guys are wonderful in the way u guys handle the website... What i would like to know is how reliable is a rapid ora swab test done at the rapid clinics....  I tested negative two weeks ago and i just wanted to know if i am clear from my past encounters from 6 months ago and more...  How relaible are these tests any chance it was a false negative.  thanks alot

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2008, 12:09:42 PM »
They are FDA approved and are conclusive at 3 months.

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2008, 01:27:01 PM »
At 13 weeks any generation of any FDA-approved test will give you a reliable result. So you are HIV negative. Period. End of story.
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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2008, 01:27:59 PM »
thanks alot rapidrod  and andy (dec 02 first time i ever got testsed amd it was the scariest thing i have ever done in my life, I need to go back FEB 02)
So its safe to say that everything i have done in the past 8 yrs up to 3 months from the last time i got tested should be out of my mind... Correct???

So here are my encounters in the past 4 months from the last time i got tested please evaluate my risks and tell me if my risks are real thanks...

8/14 received Unportected oral from a transexual (110 days)
8/24 protected oral and vaginal sex (100 days)
9/05 received protected oral & protected vaginal from sex worker
                                    .gave unprotected vaginal oral(92 Days)
9/20 received protected oral & protected vaginal from sex worker
                                      .gave unprotected vaginal oral (75 Days)
10/20 received protected oral & protected vaginal from sex worker (43 days)
10/23 received portected oral from a transexual (40 Days)
10/31 Recevied unprotected oral and protected vaginal sex from girl i met a yr ago we had sex about yr ago as well( 32 days)

12/02 Tested negative 32 days or 4 weeks after the last time i had any type of sex)

I know symptoms are not an indicator but around 11/16 i got a low fever for 36 hrs, for about 4 weeks i had a sore thorat (like lump in the throatmaybe not a sore throat went to the doc and said everything is fine with me no mono strep or colde), and whiteish tongue (not thrush) yesturday i was reading about tingling and burning in the left arm  and shoulder and at night i started to get it and it has not stopped ( talk about anxiety playing with my mind)

Can the mods please evaluiate my risks and tell me what are my risks and according to the timeline when is it a good time to re test??? thanks    
« Last Edit: December 24, 2008, 02:11:37 PM by raysummerss »

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2008, 02:10:19 PM »
I have one more question regarding testing... what is the difference between an eliza test and the ora swab test i did at the rapid clinic which they swabbed my cheeks... 

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2008, 03:07:04 PM »
The main thing in your laundry list of sexual experiences is that you consistenly used condoms for intercourse. The only real, confirmed risk for HIV transmission sexually is via unprotected vaginal or anal intercourse. Condoms provide very effective protection so you are literally well and truly covered with them.

Nothing else you have listed among your activities has put you at risk for transmission. No guy has ever been confirmed to have become infected by getting a blowjob. You aren't going to make history by becoming the first. Ditto for performing cunnilingus.

You already know the answer about your symptoms. Certainly there isn't anything HIV-specific about any of those about which you are concerned. If any of them persist I suggest you discuss them with your doctor to find out the real cause. The presence nor the absence of symptoms will not tell anyone anything accurately about HIV status. Only an HIV test at 13 weeks post the most recent possible risky incident will do that reliably.

We also always recommend that anyone who's sexually active ought to regularly be having a full STD panel done. Other STDs are much easier to acquire than HIV. Doing that at least annually is a good idea and more frequenly if there is genuinely risky behavior and/or troubling symptoms.

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2008, 05:31:24 PM »
thank you andy.. have a merry christmas I will go and get tested again in about a month thanks for responding to my situation hopefully my negative at 32 days will stay a negative at 90

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2008, 06:19:21 PM »
Thanks for your good wishes.

Well I do expect your news when you test will be good. In the meantime get busy with other matters and it will help the waiting time to pass much more easily.

Happy holidays to you as well.
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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2008, 03:16:22 PM »
Hey andy sorry for bothering u once again...  I wanted to know what is the difference between the eliza test and the test done with the ora swab ( known as the swabbing of the inside of the cheek)...  Which one is more accurate??? the place where i will go to (new Jersey)  only does the swabbing of the cheeks and the pricking blood of the fingers....  My anxiety cant take another 5 weeks so i will go jan 6 to get tested so that will putme at 67 days from my last exposure...  at that point i will have some type of calm in my life or at the worst i will know if i am infected thanks everyone merry christmas

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2008, 06:57:29 PM »
Ray,

The swab test IS an ELISA.

You never had a risk in the first place. You've been told this. Your results are not going to change because you ARE hiv negative. You do not need further testing.

If you've read the Welcome Thread before posting like you're supposed to, you will have read the following posting guideline:

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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2008, 11:47:36 AM »
Thank You Ann, I did not know the test i took was an Eliza thanks for the clarification...

please dont Ban me, as I asked a question which many people maybe having the same questions...

I have one question which one of my freinds asked me and i did not know the answer for...

He told me the only reason he got tested was because he experienced a mild fever for two days and a sore throat for 12 days....  and he got tested 2 weeks after his symptoms and 4 weeks after his exporsure so he asked me if the symptoms were hiv related shouldnt his eliza test had been positive because his body was fighting the virus... He asked if 12 days after symptoms were enough time for the body to produce antibodies???  I told him that he had no risk because he is worried about unprotected oral he recevied and cunninglus he performed and is worried that the condoms had litle holes...  (as for as for my situation i already been told i was at no risk)

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2008, 11:53:40 AM »
Why would the answers to your friends question be any different than yours? If he had a risk to obtain a conclusive negative test result is 3 months post exposure.

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2008, 12:51:43 PM »
U are right rapidrod... like i mentioned i never had an HIV test since i started having sex and that was when i was 16 and it was 8 years ago almost 15 partners unprotected from the years 2002 -2005 and after that the  last time i had unprotected sex was a yr ago and my eliza test i took last month only confrims that i am HIV negative from my risky behavior....  As far as for my symptoms of dry mouth, white tongue,  tingling, burning and numbing in my arms, and gas, constimpation and stomach problems I will go see my doctor and check to see if i am diabetic. My father was diagnosied with diabetes at the age of 32 and i will be 25 soon so this maybe my real cause...  And just to inform to the rest of the people who read this forums in horror and and are scared for contracting hiv from unprotected oral i will post my HIV test results next month and finally at the 13th week of exposure from unprotected oral...

thanks ann, rod and andy

If i dont post until the new year have a blessing new year for 2009 for you and your family and freinds

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2008, 05:11:43 PM »
...and I expect you will test negative on that one too. Which is a swell way to start any year.
Andy Velez

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2008, 07:08:55 PM »
Hey everyone,

Let me start of by saying all the mods on the forums are great and know what they are talkin listen to them and calm your anxiety because it will drive u crazy....

I had what i thought were symptoms of ars which included mild fever for 2 days, sore throat for 6 weeks, gum infection, headaches, loss of appetite, tingling numbing of the left arm,  growling stomach, white tongue and drymouthsome which have been with me since november 20..

heres my timeline
tested on dec 02----- eliza test-----  Negative (33 days after last exposure to un proected oral)
tested on Dec 30----- eliza test-----  Negative (61 days afterlast exposure) Allmods said i would test Neg

I know i should test again on January 31 and make that test my colusive test but for what??? The mods told me I had no risk Idont think they will tell me that my risk was a no risk situation if it really was.... 

The moral of the story
Unprotected oral andcunninglus is a risk in theory like andy anne and rapid said and belive me when i say it i had lots of it....
Please calm yourselves because u will drive urselves crazy like i did.....  I think i caused all these symptoms to myself..  I will test again only people really want me to so they can read in the  archives and understand that unprotected oral is only a risk in theory and i should worry about other STDS and Sti's From now i will use condoms for every activity but since i willgetmarried soon i will be in managois relationship...

thank you to everyone and happy new year
« Last Edit: December 30, 2008, 07:23:59 PM by raysummerss »

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2009, 05:24:57 PM »
Hey andy velez, Anne, and rapidrod i have a question for you guys.  What do you guys thinnk of the 6 week window period which Dr. HHH and healing well hiv forums say are 99% conclusive/reliable??

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2009, 05:28:23 PM »
A negative test is not conclusive at 6 weeks.

Offline raysummerss

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2009, 11:56:59 PM »
To everyone who has been following my thread...

I still have what i think are symptoms like stomach pains, growling stomach, headaches, times when i feel like i need to vommit and guess what they are all stress and anxiety on my nerves, its scary but believe me it all starts in the head....

I had another negative hiv test via the orasure rapid test (eliza) the one that you swab your cheek.
This is after 89, 86, and 79 days after unprotected oral exposures... Mods said i should have not tested over my exposures but i was scared so this test is my conclusive one because there was no risk and the guy at the office said it should be my last and i do not need further testing....   thank you

trust the mods ann rapidrod, & especially andy velez They all know everything there is about HIV transmissions. actually I want to thank everyone you are all great I cannot thank you enough on how much you guys helped through a time when it would have been hard for me to continue to live a normal life....   Thank you thank you thank you I cannot thank you enough

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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2009, 08:03:25 AM »
You're welcome, Ray. That's good to get the negative result which hopefully will put you at peace about the issue. A not unexpected result from my viewpoint, but still, it's always good to get a negative result.

Good luck to you -- and remember to always without exception use condoms for intercourse.

Cheers. 
Andy Velez

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2009, 04:53:57 PM »
Hi andy i just would like to thank you for all your help in the past

I just want to ask u in my situation that i had is 11 week rapid hiv test 79 days  enough or do i have to wait 13 weeks...

thanks andy u are the best

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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2009, 05:21:48 PM »
Since you always had intercourse while using a condom I don't see any need for further testing. You're HIV negative. Period. End of story. 
Andy Velez

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2009, 07:15:08 PM »
Thank you andy

I was just a little scared because i read a couple posts were u say that 6 weeks is enough time for a perilimanary test and by that time almost everyone who is positive will test  positive by FDA approved antibody tests even rapid tests (by the way i also saw another post where ann says in the two years she has been on the forums she has never seen a 6 week negavtive turn positive with modern fda testing)  and that 12/13 weeks is the FDA guidelines but i tested at 11 weeks but i keep on forgetting that my exposure was unprotected oral which a no risk situation thanks andy

Gracias hermano tu no sevas que miedo tengo pero usted saba como ponor mis nervious en un mejor lugar

thanks again  andy
« Last Edit: February 09, 2009, 07:17:50 PM by raysummerss »

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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2009, 07:27:00 PM »
De nada, hombre.

Fears and other feelings are not facts. And the fact is that you have reliably tested negative. You ARE HIV negative. End of story.
Andy Velez

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2009, 11:57:11 PM »
Gracias Andy que diois te bendia
thanks andy may god bless you

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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2009, 08:09:43 AM »
Gracias, hombre. Te bendia tambien.
Andy Velez

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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2009, 10:41:18 AM »
Ray,

Two years? I've been a member here since March 2001. ;D

You ARE hiv negative. We've already told you this and the answer isn't going to change.

Make sure you keep using those condoms, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple. Read through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use them with confidence.

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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2009, 10:47:19 AM »
Thanks ann by  the way sorry i must have misread the post so u are probably trying to say u havent seen a 6 week negative turn positive since march 2001 or was it anniebc who said not sure lol but either way u guys are greats Rapidrod, u, andy all wonderful people..

and andy i seen i made a mistake *** Que dios te bendiga no bendia lol

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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2009, 10:58:25 AM »
Ray,

For the last time...

NO! We've never seen a six week negative end up positive, BUT WHERE THERE HAS BEEN A RISK that six week negative must be confirmed at the three month point.

YOU DID NOT HAVE A RISK.

We don't seem to be getting through to you. Keep posting over this NO RISK, CONCLUSIVE NEGATIVE situation and you will be given that time out you were warned about.

Please seek counseling to get to the bottom of why you cannot accept your results. We cannot help you with that here.

Please consider yourself warned for the last time.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2009, 06:11:10 PM »
Hi andy and everyone else

let me start off by saying my lower back and legs hurt all the time for the past two weeks and i am 24 so there is no explanation for this.

Well with that being said a friend of mine asked me to take him to accompany him to get tested in which he did and i did not plan on testing but i did because the counselor convinced me into doing it saying make this your last and conclusive test, so i said ok

Surprise surprise NEGATIVE again testing via orasure rapid test after 104 days after unprotected oral exposure (15weeks)
UNPROTECTED ORAL = NO RISK

HAVE FAITH IN THIS WEBSITE THEY KNOW WHAT THEY SAY
Gracias ANDY

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« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2009, 06:17:12 PM »
BTW I wish i can meet andy, rapidrod, anniebc, and ann & give them a big hug and thank them in person because they deserve all our gratitude..

thanks guys for helping through a really hard time in my life
I will never forget you guys and girls

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« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2009, 06:38:51 PM »
You're welcome. Enjoy that result and now get on with your life!
Andy Velez

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Re: Testing Reliability
« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2009, 11:46:23 PM »
Hey andy anne rapidrod just wanted to say thank you for all you have done for me in the past

I just wanted to ask is it still safe to say that performing cunninglus is still a no risk situation??  I performed cunninglus on the same young lady twice once about 6 weeks ago and again last week..
5 days after the last incident I got a fever and a bad sore throat (strep throat).. Just wanted to know if anything has changed since the last time i was here.. BTW we had sex protected each time and she performed unprotected sex twice on me as i did to her..

Thanks again

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« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2009, 05:19:38 AM »
Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

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« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2009, 07:11:09 AM »
Ray,

Cunnilingus is STILL a NO RISK situation. Why would it change?

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« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2009, 08:08:37 AM »
Thank you ann

just wanted to make sure because i see what that guy reveation posted and i wondered but thanks ann

Andy how are you I hope everything is going good for you.

 


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