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Offline LeftHand

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Question concerning transmission
« on: December 18, 2008, 08:39:22 PM »
Hi

I had sex with a girl who I did not know at all. We used a condom.

She kept checking that the condom was staying on by touching the base of the penis where the condom ended. In her efforts to do this she scratched me with a cracked nail. It was quite a scratch and vaginal juices and lube were all over the scratch.

There was no blood.

Is this a possible infection scenario? Do I need to get tested based on this information?

Cheers

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2008, 08:42:30 PM »
No it is not possible to contract HIV from a scratch.

Offline LeftHand

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2008, 08:47:08 PM »
Thanks Rod.

I understand that a scratch normally is not an issue. It was only because it was very fresh and swimming in fluids, I was concerned this could have tipped it into a risk.

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2008, 10:09:27 AM »
Nope. Even if it had just happened it still wouldn't be a risk. HIV is a fragile virus and needs the kind of receptive setting which sexually happens essentially only through unprotected vaginal or anal intercourse. It's really just that simple in terms of risk.
Andy Velez

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2008, 06:53:48 PM »
Thanks for the no BS and paranoid-free info. I appreciate how you keep a consistant and simple message.

I'll move on.

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2008, 07:12:24 PM »
You're welcome.

And keep using a condom everytime. They provide just the protection you need against HIV transmission.

Cheers.
Andy Velez

Offline LeftHand

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2009, 10:32:01 PM »
I went and got tested 6 weeks after this incident anyway because it's been a year since my last one and I was due for a routine test.

All came out negative.

But something funny happened in the testing centre. It's a specialist clinic in Sydney.

The interviewing nurse was really aggressive towards me as she felt I was wasting tax payers money by showing up. (We get that a lot in this country, they want to target HIV resources.) I didn't help by getting aggressive back at her. Far as I'm concerned I pay taxes and I am entitled to these so call free confidential services.

Now, I have to get this off my chest and I fully expect an online beating, but sorry, I have to say this.

The nurse made me lay on a padded bench; while I just stared at the ceiling, she fussed around for ages behind a curtin. When she came out these needles just seem to appear from no-where and she started to draw blood. I was quite alarmed as I noticed the needle kit had a dark collar around it, like dried blood. This is just were the screw of the needle joins the clear plastic chassis. Just were you'd expect blood to collect as it overflows between vials being changed. When she finished I asked to look at a fresh kit and I noticed it had no dark collar around it.

I left there feeling physically sick.

Three weeks to the day I have been sick as a dog for the last three days. No BS. Fever, sore throat, a dark rash over my face and neck and now I just found a blister on my upper palate. I really can't believe this. I keep telling myself it's my mind having a field day with me. I know it can do this. In fact, my logical part tells me this is what exactly is going on, but the so called symptoms are so bloody real.

Anyway, in three weeks time I'm off to the GP and pay the cash and ask for another test.

Yes, I understand it most likely paranoia, but it all seems so real.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2009, 10:41:27 PM by LeftHand »

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2009, 04:37:26 AM »
Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

Offline LeftHand

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2009, 04:45:26 AM »
Well that gotta's be good I got the Rapid Ron Red Stamp. (In big red letters I might add.)

Yes, I know it's paranioa. But it's so damned real.

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2009, 05:01:38 AM »
Seek professional mental help. You are beyond the scope of help that any forum can provide.

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2009, 07:28:09 AM »
Left,

Let's have a rational look at your faulty reasoning.

The nurse was upset because she perceived you to be wasting taxpayers money by testing.

And you think she would deliberately infect you in revenge? Do you have any idea how much more taxpayers money - thousands of dollars a year, millions in a lifetime - it takes to monitor and treat an hiv positive patient than it does to administer an antibody test?

Get real. And go see your doctor about your symptoms. I can guarantee you they've got nothing to do with hiv.

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Offline LeftHand

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2009, 08:07:28 AM »
Yep

This has occurred to me. I know I'm not being rational but all these "symptoms" popped up. I'm a very strong believer in the power of the mind to do this to you, until a some type of clearing event pushes it all away. Part of the issue is that I've known some pretty bad sociopaths in my time and unfortunately for the nurse, she was a dead ringer for one that I knew.

I'll stop wasting your time.

Offline LeftHand

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2009, 06:08:29 PM »
Hello

I had sex with a stranger last night. We used a comdon.

At the moment I have three ingrown hairs along the base of the penis. I was not worried about them as they were sealed and I intended to use a condom anyway.

The sex got quite rough and she got quite excited. This resulted in the comdon riding up, but it stayed on.

However, the ingrown hairs got really soaked with her vagina fluids and I noticed after the sex that they had split open into little sores.

Based on this information, is it possible to acquire HIV this way. Do I need to get tested?


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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2009, 08:04:00 PM »
No and no..

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2009, 08:20:22 PM »
Just reinforcing Rod's response. No to both of your latest questions. The potentially risky area on your penis is the urethra, not ingrown hairs, bruises, nicks or other such. 
Andy Velez

Offline LeftHand

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2010, 10:12:25 PM »
Hello

I would like to put this question to Andy or Ann.

Last night I was up to my usual tricks. Oral without a condom but used a condom for penetrative vaginal sex. This is my standard behaviour and I never deviate from it. Always use a condom for vaginal sex, as learnt from here.

The sex was very active and at some point the condom came off. I have no idea how long we were doing it for without the condom, it could have been up to 15 minutes. She had to dig it out of herself and I understand this means it came off during sex and not during withdrawl.

She says she tested negative 5 months ago and that she always uses a condom herself, which is a positive sign. In truth, I really have no idea of her HIV status and I'm not interested in speculating as I have also learnt from here that it's behaviours and not people that spread HIV.

Here are my concerns: I can actually consider this situation a possible risk? I actually need to get tested at 6 weeks here? I also I understand that even though it is a risk, it's a very low one and that you have never seen anyone get infected over a single one off incident like this? And finally, to consider finding a doctor who will prescribe me PEP over an incident like this would be way overreacting and is not called for?

Thanks in advance.



« Last Edit: February 05, 2010, 11:38:37 PM by LeftHand »

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2010, 05:02:35 AM »
Left,

For future reference, part of correct condom usage is checking on the condom regularly. All you have to do is to put your hand down there and feel for the base of the condom. It's possible to do this in an unobtrusive way.

Your level of risk does not warrant PEP. For someone to prescribe PEP for you in this instance would be to go against the recommended treatment protocol, even though you may find a doctor who is willing to do so.

As you yourself have noted, it would be very unusual for a man to become infected following a one-off vaginal encounter. You do need to test but I would fully expect you to test negative. The earliest you should test is at six weeks as the vast majority of people who have actually been infected will seroconvert by this time. A six week negative is highly unlikely to change but must be confirmed at the three month point.

I do expect you to test negative. Please do yourself a favour and review the condom and lube links in my signature line. A correctly used condom rarely breaks and rarely goes "missing".

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Offline LeftHand

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2010, 05:45:06 AM »
Thanks for the reply.

This information is very re-assuring.

I will post the results in 6 weeks, for no other reason than a point of reference.

Offline LeftHand

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2010, 09:14:59 PM »
Hello,

I was with the same lady last night. We are becoming very good friends but are very casual in our approach to sex with each other and other people. While being with her, I allowed myself to briefly dip inside her for a few moments before I woke up to myself and placed a condom on. I probably penetrated her a couple of inches.



In terms of HIV transmission, how risky is this sort of behavior? I am due to test in 4 weeks time due to my previous accident. Will I need to move my test out to 6 weeks again? Where I live, testing at 6 weeks and not 13 weeks is considered conclusive.
 
« Last Edit: February 18, 2010, 09:30:57 PM by LeftHand »

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2010, 02:49:46 AM »
Left,

Yes, you need to change your window period calculation. Dipping is on the same par with your earlier low risk, but you need to test all the same.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Offline LeftHand

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2010, 05:46:56 PM »
Ok, thanks for the information.

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2010, 06:11:39 PM »
While you are adopting what seems to me to be a somewhat cavalier attitude about what you call your "old tricks," remember that even low risk is not the same as no risk.

The pleasure of unprotected intercourse is momentary but HIV once acquired is forever.

Guess you will have to decide if those momentary dips and pleasures are OOPS!, worth risking acquiring a virus that can take your life. 
« Last Edit: February 19, 2010, 06:14:27 PM by Andy Velez »
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Offline LeftHand

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2010, 06:45:05 PM »
Thanks for the reply. I appreciate how you take your time out in the way that you do to assist people.

I hear you and agree with you. In both incidences that I mention here, I have crossed a line of personal conduct that I have set for myself and I am actually quite concerned about, hence my bringing these questions to these forums.

I don't see dipping as something I should be doing at all and have already decided on ways to not let temptation get the better of me again.

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Re: Question concerning transmission
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2010, 10:04:57 PM »
That's good. Life is short enough as it is under the best of circumstances without your putting yourself at risk of shortening it even further.

Cheers.
Andy Velez

 


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