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Author Topic: Very sad story  (Read 1859 times)

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Offline GSOgymrat

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Very sad story
« on: November 21, 2008, 03:04:03 PM »
A teenager in Florida live-streamed his suicide while people egged him on. He had a history of bipolar disorder and depression. I find the whole thing just sad and sickening. What is it about the anonymity of the internet that makes some people so mean?


Offline jkinatl2

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Re: Very sad story
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2008, 03:49:35 PM »
Good question. I read about that this morning, and just shook my head.

Does the anonymity of the internet really bring that out in people? And if so, is THAT our collective "real" self?

I know people type things they would never dream of saying to a person's face.

Sometimes I wonder how many, or rather how few, true humans walk among us.

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Offline skeebo1969

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Re: Very sad story
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2008, 04:36:46 PM »

   While I do find it very disturbing I am not surprised in the least bit.
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Offline Texan38

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Re: Very sad story
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2008, 06:17:10 PM »
It deeply saddens me to read how someones desperate cry for help was being ridiculed and egged on by people watching a disheartening live feed.
Absolutely heartbreaking.
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Offline weasel

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Re: Very sad story
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2008, 06:39:47 PM »
hey gymrat ,

                    What an awful thing for any one to do !

           this makes me very very sad .

         How often have any one of us on AIDS.COM  asked for help ?

         Needed advice ?  a cyber hand to hold on to ?


         I am horified by what i see ,or rather  pass up and do NOT see on U-tube .

                                                       GOD BLESS this person .

                                                       with love to all ,
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Offline BT65

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Re: Very sad story
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2008, 08:30:05 PM »
I read about this earlier.  It's just so horrifying and disturbing, I really don't have many words.
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Offline jkinatl2

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Re: Very sad story
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2008, 01:16:33 AM »
You know, the more I think about it, the more disgusted I get with all those involved. My opinion of depression is compassionate, because we never, ever know what dark depths exist in someones mind.

But to subject the world, via webcam, to your suicide (and despite common perception, locating a person is not exactly effortless, convincing local authorities to step in is even more difficult) is such a selfish act.

There actually WERE, at the end, people who believed the person to be introuble, and several people took the time and effort to track him down, call the police (they were not initially believed) and convince them that they were legit, that the situation was dire, and that help was needed. By that time, of course, it was too late.

My own opinion? If someone threatens suicide online, go directly into defcon 1. Band together. Call the police. Find this person and get an intervention underway. At the very least, the authorities in the US can have them confined for a 72 hour psychiatric hold.

Instead of being a total douche by embracing the damned irony and cynical sarcastic indifference that our society seems to have adopted, my take on the matter is to go into the other direction. Take threats seriously. The worst you will get is a really pissed off person who might think twice before engaging in such a dramatic gesture. And, as a byproduct, the person might actually get the attention of the sort that they NEED and can USE. namely, mental health professionals.

A few days ago, my Mom went AWOL. We usually touch base every other day on the phone. She has this bad habit of not calling others, and waiting for others to call her. Also a bad habit of not answering her cell phone. So when I got a consistent busy signal on her phone for her for 48 hours, and I knew she had made no plans to leave the house, I did not think twice before calling the local police and having an officer knock on her door to make certain she was all right. She was, only she had accidentally taken a phone off of the hook and the line had gone dead.

She is 82, has a pacemaker, and is experiencing a little brain fog now and again. I am often the only tie she has to the outside world. I made no apologies for my actions. And if I had a friend or saw a stranger who threatened suicide, I would not hesitate before getting people involved who could do something. Even if it embarrassed them. Even if I made an enemy.

I wish more people thought less about being cool and hip, and thought more about taking just a smidgen of responsibility for the people they saw around them, people who sometimes scream for help.

Such a loss of humanity, on all sides. Such needless loss.
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Offline alisenjafi

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Re: Very sad story
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2008, 08:00:32 AM »

What is equally disturbing to me is the fact like the other case with the teenager who was egged on by the neighbor is the family members are so oblivious to what is going on under their roofs with their children.
Quote of the father:
""I am upset that Justin.tv streamed this live," said Biggs. "I have not seen it, and I do not intend to look at it.

"There seems to be a lack of control as to what people put out on the Internet," he said. "There's a lot of garbage out there that should not be, and unfortunately, this was allowed to happen."

It seems instead of addressing the problem,both families want to blame the internet.
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Offline Cliff

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Re: Very sad story
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2008, 08:25:14 AM »
This reminds me of two similar stories in the UK.  One a guy committed suicide by hanging himself while it was being streamed in a video/chat room.  The other (offline) was of a boy who jumped off a building after being taunted to do so by some members of crowd gathered to watch.

I don't the behavior behnd this is new.  People have always acted inappropriately when protected by anonymity (whether online or being part of a large crowd).  I'm glad some people did try to help him.  Apparently one guy, who did a lot to try and locate the guy and alert the authorities, lives in India.

I'm sad that his mental health issues forced him down this path. 


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