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Frottage with menstural blood involved
« on: November 15, 2008, 04:04:15 PM »
Hello everyone.
Last night a friend and I were in a scuffle just messing around for fun and he bit me on my finger hard enough to cause the skin around my cuticle to break and bleed. The wound was perhaps 1mm across or so (but its hard to tell).
Throughout our roughhousing he may have gotten hit in his mouth a few times and could have had cuts and bleeding in his mouth when he bit me.

I was concerned as to what the risks are through getting bitten from somebody whos sexual health status is unknown if his blood possibly contacted the bite wound where i was bleeding.
I have read a fair bit and it seems like any blood mixed with saliva would'nt be as infectious but what if there was a cut in his mouth which had blood not mixed with saliva? Would this then become a risk to me?

Oh and thanks!


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Re: Infected through a bite??? help
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2008, 04:19:11 PM »
concerned,

Despite rumours to the contrary (and occasional legislation/prosecutions), not one person has ever been infected with hiv through a human bite. Human bites can cause some nasty bacterial infections, but NOT HIV. Not only is saliva not infectious, it also contains over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv and render it unable to infect.

Along with reading the Transmission Lesson linked to in our Welcome Thread, here's what you need to know in order to remain hiv negative:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex with a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST OVER THIS BITE, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple.

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Re: Infected through a bite??? help
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2008, 04:23:23 PM »
Thankyou for the response. I'm not a risk taker by any means when it comes to my sexual activities and I always have safe sex. That's why the thought of being infected through this incident is so scary.

I understand that saliva cant infect although it is his blood that im really worried about. I know the traces of hiv in saliva are too small to pose a threat and i know that saliva can inactivate hiv blood. What made me worry was the thought of blood that had not been mixed with saliva coming from a cut in his mouth directly to the bleeding bite wound.
Would that not then be a risk is saliva wasnt involved?

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Re: Infected through a bite??? help
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2008, 04:42:33 PM »
concerned,

I wrote my response while being aware that you were concerned about the possibility of blood being present due to your rough play. However. Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus that is primarily transmitted INSIDE the human body. Once it's outside the human body, small changes in temperature, pH levels and moisture content all quickly damage the outer membrane of hiv. It needs this membrane to be intact and undamaged in order to infect.

You're worrying needlessly.

Keep using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and you'll be just fine where hiv is concerned. We're here to help stop the spread of hiv, so we're not going to tell you lies or half-truths. You weren't at risk for hiv infection when you got bitten during some rough-housing.

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Re: Infected through a bite??? help
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2008, 04:44:21 PM »
I understand thankyou. Just so I'm sure this even takes into account the chance there was blood not mixed with saliva?

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Re: Infected through a bite??? help
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2008, 04:51:32 PM »
Concerned,

Yes, I'm also taking that into account. Another fact influencing my risk assessment is that there are only a very few, very specific types of cells that hiv can infect and these are not found in the upper layers of skin. If hiv were as easily transmitted as you think it is, over 90% of the population would be infected by now.

And just in case you're wondering, the places where these cells are found that you need to be aware of are in the lining of your rectum, the lining of your urethra (where you pee from) and the inside of the foreskin, if you have one. This is why condom use is the number one defence against hiv.

And by the way, if I were you, I'd point out to your mate that most of us got past the biting stage at around age two. As I said, the only thing he put you at risk for was a nasty bacterial infection. Ew!

Once again, keep using condoms for intercourse and you'll be just fine where hiv is concerned.

Ann
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Re: Infected through a bite??? help
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2008, 04:53:40 PM »
Okay I understand thankyou for clearing that all up you're a wealth of information, really.
Take care!

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Re: Infected through a bite??? help
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2008, 05:23:32 PM »
Concerned,

I'm glad you found the information helpful.

And for any women reading this thread, an additional place where the right types of cell that hiv is able to infect is found on our cervix, which is deep inside the vagina.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Cracked dry raw open cut on penis?
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2009, 12:18:10 PM »
I'm concerned about an episode I had last night of oral sex and protected anal & vaginal sex with a woman whos hiv status i dont know.

During the intercourse I had about 3 cuts on the foreskin of my penis that were caused by the skin stretching as it was very dry. I'd say the cuts are 2 or 3 mm wide. I wore a condom but during intercourse sometimes the condom slips up and at one point it may not have covered the fresh cuts which would mean they were directly exposed to her body fluids while i was inside her. Which would mean I was at risk. What should I do? These cuts would've been fresh and not scabbed over. Right near the penis head on the foreskin.

I'm really freaking here over this and though i would pose it on these forums since there's so much knowledge here. I was helped in the past and hopefully i can get some answers on this.

I saw in another thread i think it was anne who said that unless you just cut yourself it wouldn't be a risk, but for me the cracks in my skin would have infact been fresh. So does that make it a risk? I'm really scared here.

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Re: Cracked dry raw open cut on penis?
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2009, 12:20:22 PM »
Your guestions will not be answered until you return to your orginal thread.

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Re: Cracked dry raw open cut on penis?
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2009, 12:23:52 PM »
Your guestions will not be answered until you return to your orginal thread.

should i repost and bump in my old thread?

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Re: Infected through a bite??? help
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2009, 12:24:46 PM »
Okay im bumping this as told.

I'm concerned about an episode I had last night of oral sex and protected anal & vaginal sex with a woman whos hiv status i dont know.

During the intercourse I had about 3 cuts on the foreskin of my penis that were caused by the skin stretching as it was very dry. I'd say the cuts are 2 or 3 mm wide. I wore a condom but during intercourse sometimes the condom slips up and at one point it may not have covered the fresh cuts which would mean they were directly exposed to her body fluids while i was inside her. Which would mean I was at risk. What should I do? These cuts would've been fresh and not scabbed over. Right near the penis head on the foreskin.

I'm really freaking here over this and though i would pose it on these forums since there's so much knowledge here. I was helped in the past and hopefully i can get some answers on this.

I saw in another thread i think it was anne who said that unless you just cut yourself it wouldn't be a risk, but for me the cracks in my skin would have infact been fresh. So does that make it a risk? I'm really scared here.

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Re: Infected through a bite??? help
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2009, 12:27:22 PM »
No risk..

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Re: Infected through a bite??? help
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2009, 12:30:01 PM »
No risk..

Even if fresh cuts are exposed and unprotected inside her during anal and vaginal sex? isnt the foreskin one of the few places where transmission can happen? I read another thread where reference was made to cuts and how if they had scabbed over they wouldn't pose a rise but mine werent scabbed over.

Forgive me if im missing something.

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Re: Infected through a bite??? help
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2009, 12:34:57 PM »
I've merged your threads. Please follow our rule and keep all of your entries in this one thread.

You're again worrying needlessly. As long as the condom covered the head of your penis you were protected. It is the inside of the foreskin which has the cells which are receptive to transmission, not the outer skin. From what you have described I don't see any cause for concern.

Andy Velez

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Re: Infected through a bite??? help
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2009, 12:38:20 PM »
Thanks for both of your replies. Sorry about not merging the threads.
I should also mention the cuts were red and raw and bleeding slightly. :(

Similar to when you have chapped lips and they crack and bleed. Should I have tests done in 13 weeks or is the risk too low to worry about?

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Re: Infected through a bite??? help
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2009, 12:40:22 PM »
Go back an reread what Andy and I both said to you.

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Re: Infected through a bite??? help
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2009, 12:52:42 PM »
I've read them I'm just trying to make sense of it in my mind. if an open sore is present during penetration i worry since other threads have had replies that say things like cuts would be scabbed over etc etc.
Mine wasn't scabbed over so it's quite scary and it seems like a legitimate risk.

And one of annes replies in another thread said that "unless you just cut yourself...." and since my dry skin cuts were fresh then it is like i just cut myself.

I truly do not mean to be insulting with my questions im sorry if ive come off that way. I am just really worried that ive been exposed.

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Re: Infected through a bite??? help
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2009, 01:18:56 PM »
A break in your skin is now "a cut." Your mind is in overdrive with fears. You are confusing fears and doubts with facts. The facts of the situation as you have reported them did not put you at risk.

There is no need for testing unless for your peace of mind you decide you need to test. If that is so then do it at 13 weeks after the most recent event of concern and collect the inevitable negative result.

I repeat that I don't see a need for testing, but I don't live in your shoes. We really can't  tell you anything more or differently than we have thus far. And just because you have another jolt of fear or fearful thought isn't going to change our evaluation.
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Re: Infected through a bite??? help
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2009, 01:23:31 PM »
A break in your skin is now "a cut." Your mind is in overdrive with fears. You are confusing fears and doubts with facts. The facts of the situation as you have reported them did not put you at risk.

There is no need for testing unless for your peace of mind you decide you need to test. If that is so then do it at 13 weeks after the most recent event of concern and collect the inevitable negative result.

I repeat that I don't see a need for testing, but I don't live in your shoes. We really can't  tell you anything more or differently than we have thus far. And just because you have another jolt of fear or fearful thought isn't going to change our evaluation.

Well what i call a break in the skin may be a cut to somebody else. That's semantics we're talking. These were 3 cracks or splits in the skin that happen when the skin is dry. If those aren't what you consider "cuts" or wounds serious enough to put me at risk... is that the case?

again the splits or cracks were red and raw, bleeding slightly.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2009, 01:25:19 PM by concernedcal »

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Re: Infected through a bite??? help
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2009, 01:45:14 PM »
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Frottage with menstural blood involved
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2009, 05:10:04 PM »
I've recently had an encounter which may have put me at a degree of risk and I was seeking some advice once again from the experts as to just how much risk I have put myself at.

I'm fully aware that frottage is a non-risk encounter however recently a woman and I preformed frottage just as she began her period.

I was not wearing a condom as I was not having intercourse, however some of her menstrual blood came in contact with my urethra and the skin on my penis. She was above me and the head of my penis was pressed against her vagina, but not penetrating it. However I'm very concerned that because of the close proximity some of the blood would have still carried viable HIV and therefore when it dripped down made transmission possible through my exposed urethra.

If my penis and her vagina formed an air tight seal from being pressed so close together then this would have kept the virus intact wouldn't it?

Experts and moderators your assessment is much appreciated. I looked through and searched the forums and could not find a scenario that matched mine. Thank you for taking the time to read this.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2009, 05:18:48 PM by concernedcal »

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Re: Frottage with menstural blood involved
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2009, 06:20:18 PM »
Keep all your questions and concerns in your original thread.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2009, 06:24:07 PM by RapidRod »

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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2009, 08:06:47 AM »
I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

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Frottage isn't a risk no matter what sort of details your fevered imagination can come up with.

I'll cut to the chase here and save a load of pointless back-and-forth with you. If you don't believe us, go test and collect your inevitable negative result.

You didn't have a risk.

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