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Offline Phatfarm1980

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Risky encounter
« on: June 09, 2008, 11:45:22 AM »
Hello to anybody reading this. I had unprotected oral and vaginal intercourse with a girl I knew from years ago but hadn't seen in ages. While she preformed oral on my she must have scratched the head of my penis with her tooth and it was quite deep. After this we had unprotected intercourse and then she gave me oral again. I think this girl has had alot of sexual partners and she doesn't seem like the type of girl who uses protection very often. Thinking back she also had a rash near her vagina which I never thought much about at the time.

A week after this encounter I come down with a 'mystery' illness. I developed a fever with light night sweats and a general feeling of unwellness. This lasted around 2 weeks and no matter what medications I took I couldn't seem to shake it off (usually if i'm ill I can shake the illness of within a few days). Since these 2 weeks i've had a weird feeling in my lymph node areas. Although I am not aware of any swelling. I've read on in the seroconversion forum of other peoples symptoms before they were diagonosed and some them sound like mine - EXACTLY. I know other things could cause these symptoms but i'm a healthy individual. I rarely ever fall ill. I have never experienced an illness like the one I had after this encounter. The fact that this illness lasted around 2 weeks, sounds like other 'infected' peoples symptoms,  happened a week after the incident and because of the fact that I never really fall ill makes be believe I have been infected.

I have just had a 4-week antibody test done and I am pretty much certain im going to test postive. Even if it comes back negative it won't be very reliable. I just can't think of any other explaintion of what it may be. Nobody around me has been ill or unwell in this time. Basically, I'm going to need a miracle if i'm going to test negative. I have already pretty much accepted that i'm infected. I'm prepared for the worst!

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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2008, 01:56:13 PM »
Phat,

We don't discuss symptoms here because neither symptoms nor the lack of symptoms will ever tell you anything about your hiv status. ONLY testing will.

What you THINK you know about this woman also has no bearing on the situation. After all, you didn't bother with condoms either.

The earliest you should have tested at is six weeks because the vast majority of people who have actually been infected will seroconvert and test positive by this time. A six week (or a four week) negative MUST be confirmed at the three month point. You have an excellent chance of testing negative after a one-time encounter (if this is your only unprotected incident) because hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus and more so from a woman to a man.

And by the way, the only thing putting you at risk for hiv is the unprotected intercourse. Getting a blowjob is NOT a risk for hiv infection.

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex with a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

Anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

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Re: 99.9% Certain!
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2008, 02:15:10 PM »
Thanks alot for your reply. Yes, this was a one off encounter and if I manage to come through it i'll never be having unprotected sex again. I do use condoms but this night I was drunk, so that may end-up being my downfall.

Isn't it possible to get infected through a deep scratch? As I received one on the head of my penis while she was preforming oral on me. Thats the main reason I am worried becasue of this 'scratch'. As I had unprotected intercourse with her afterwards.

Also, I had been sharing a bottled drink with my son yesterday. If I am infected is there any chance it may be passed on by sharing drinks? I have heard during 'initial' exposure your viral load is at it's highest and thats when it is more likely you may infect others. I couldn't live with my self if I found out my son was infected by me.

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Re: 99.9% Certain!
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2008, 02:50:13 PM »
Phat,

Saliva isn't infectious no matter what your viral load is. The only way you'd infect your son is if you have unprotected intercourse or share needles with him.

The cut doesn't really make a difference. The fact remains that hiv is more difficult to transmit from a woman to a man. You have a good chance of getting by ok this time, but the ONLY way to know is to test.

If your four week test is negative - again, the odds are in your favour - then you'll have to confirm that at three months.

In the meantime, keep yourself productively busy and stay off internet hiv websites. You'll only increase your anxiety.

Ann
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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: 99.9% Certain!
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2008, 03:15:59 PM »
Thanks for your replies and your support. I had just one final question.

If the risk of infection is so low how come so many people across the globe suffer from the disease?? Especially in places like sub-saharan africa?

Thanks again for your replies!

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Re: 99.9% Certain!
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2008, 03:23:31 PM »
Phat,

Low risk is not NO risk and this is why you do need to test and confirm at three months. A one-time incident of unprotected intercourse with an hiv positive woman CAN result in infection, but the odds are against it.

You don't even know if this woman is hiv postive or not. You cannot tell by looking at someone or by knowing their sexual history. Just because she's had partners other than you does not mean she's positive.

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How reliable?
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2008, 08:24:41 AM »
hello. I have just had the results back from a 4 week antibody test which come back negative.

Here is my story -

5/11th - Unprotected vaginal & oral sex with female stranger. Head of my penis scratched deep (must increase my chance of infection)

5/19th - Started feeling unwell (general malaise) which lasted around 2 weeks. Also, noticed rash on my arm which cleared up after a day. Generally really healthy, rarely fall ill. Even if I do, I can shake it off within a couple of days. But, I couldn't with this illness. Also, got a big boil on my leg.

6/6th - Got tested at just under 4 weeks (26.5 days - time from 'potential exposure' and time to when blood taken)

6/12th - HIV and everything else comes back negative.

I do realise i'm not in the clear yet. But, do infected people generally test positive by this time?? The doctor told me I need to re-test in 8 weeks. But, I may retest in a couple of weeks, just to put my mind to rest.

If a infected person has suffered from ARS, is this the time antibodies are produced?? So technically, should test positve soon after.

Thank you for reading!


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Re: 99.9% Certain!
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2008, 08:42:53 AM »
Phat, I have merged your threads. Please follow our rule and keep all of your comments in this same thread.

That's encouraging that you have tested negative at 4 weeks. The average time to seroconversion is 22 days. All but the smallest number of those who are going to seroconvert will do so within 4-6 weeks after an exposure to the HIV virus. You still need to re-test at 13 weeks for a conclusive answer. It is significantly harder to accomplish transmitting the virus from female to male than the other way around. Given that yours was a single unprotected incident the odds are very much in your favor that you will continue to test negative.

The in-between 12-13 week tests you are contemplating are strictly for your peace of mind. It's that final one that matters.

Good luck.
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Offline Phatfarm1980

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Re: 99.9% Certain!
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2008, 09:16:46 AM »
Thanks alot your reply. I greatly appricate any help!

I just had one last question I was hoping you could answer. As you say that most people seroconvert at around 22 days. Have antibodies been produced by this time? Should a 'infected' person test positve as soon as they have seroconverted??

Thanks again for your help!

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Re: 99.9% Certain!
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2008, 09:32:56 AM »
The act of seroconversion is when the body is producing antibodies in response to the invasion infection. So yes, if someone has seroconverted they will test positive.
Andy Velez

Offline Phatfarm1980

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Extremely worried!
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2008, 06:06:45 AM »
I have posted here before. Basically, my story is that I had unprotected sex with a female stranger and she cut the head of my penis during oral, I then had unprotected intercourse with her. About a week later I felt unwell for a whole 2 weeks, high temp and general malaise. I went for a anitbody test about 4 weeks post exposure and tested negative. After this I forgot about my encounter until a few weeks ago. This was when I came down with with the same sort of illness for around 2 weeks again. I haven't suffered from this type of illness before my risky encounter so this has got me extremely worried. I am convinced I am infected now. I have just been tested again at 3 and half months since the incident and i'm just waiting to get my results back. How reliable would my 4 week test be? If the illness I suffered between weeks 1-3 was my serconversion should I have tested positive at 4 weeks? Do the majority of infected people test positive by 4 weeks? Sorry, if my questions sound stupid!

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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2008, 06:15:57 AM »
Please keep all your additional thoughts, questions and comments in your original thread. This helps us to follow your story and give you the most accurate advice.

If you can't find you original thread click on the red link I've provided above. Alternatively you can click on the "show own posts" link in the left hand column of any forums page.

Your questions will not be answered until you return to your original thread.

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Re: 99.9% Certain!
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2008, 08:18:07 AM »
I've merged your threads here. Please follow our rule and keep all of your entries in this same thread.

As to your concern, you are awaiting the result of your 13 weeks + test. That will give you a definitive answer and I expect you will likely test negative. HIV is not an easy virus to transmit. It is significantly harder to accomplish from female to male. The average time to seroconversion is 22 days. All but the smallest number of those who will seroconvert will do so within 4-6 weeks after an exposure. So a negative at 4 weeks is encouraging but not definitive.

None of the symptoms you are concerned about are HIV specific. And ARS doesn't appear, go and reappear. The likelihood of transmission is low in the kind of single incident you reported.

However, you do need to learn from this experience. When you have unprotected intercourse you are putting your life at risk. It's as stark and as simple as that. You can have all the intercourse you want to and regardless of your partners' status. Just do it the safer way and always without exception us a condom.

Good luck with your test result. I expect you to come out of it ok.
Andy Velez

Offline Phatfarm1980

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Re: 99.9% Certain!
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2008, 11:39:01 AM »
Thanks for everybodies help. I tested negative at 13 weeks. Phew! Thanks again!

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Re: 99.9% Certain!
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2008, 01:08:25 PM »
Good! That's very happy news.

Now you need to remember to always use a condom and then make sure you do just that...everytime.

Cheers,
Andy Velez

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Risky encounter
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2009, 11:26:21 AM »
I had an encounter with a prostitue about 5 days ago. She gave me unprotected oral, I then had protected vaginal sex with her. I know it has been said you can't get HIV from oral sex, but during the oral, she deep throated me, so my penis went right down the back of her mouth. Since then the head of my penis has become abit sore and itcy, it feels like I have thrush or something and i've also had abit of a sore throat and flu like symptoms. Is it possible I got thrush from oral sex? And if so, wouldn't that increase my chances of contracting HIV from this person?

I'm almost 100% certain the condom was intact at all times during intercourse. Also, her vagina was really dry. Is this a sign of HIV?

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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2009, 01:37:45 PM »
Phat, in the entire history of the epidemic there has never been a confirmed case of HIV transmission to a guy from his getting a blowjob. It's safe to say that you aren't going to make history by becoming the first, even including her having deep throated you, etc.

If you have any irritation or symptoms that persist, discuss them with your doctor. They have nothing to do with HIV.

There is no need for further concern about HIV on your part nor any  reason to get tested.

Cheers.
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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2009, 03:36:06 PM »
Phat,

Once again, I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.



How many times do you have to be told this stuff? I don't just mean about keeping all your thoughts and questions in your original thread, but also that blowjobs are NO RISK. ???

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Re: Risky encounter
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2009, 06:01:07 AM »
Is it not possible that because I contracted trush from this prostitue, that this would increase my chances of being infected with HIV? Even though I never had unprotected sex with her.

I've heard that HIV suffers are prone to getting thrush. It's been a week since the incident and I feel unwell, with general flu-symptoms. I haven't been ill all year!

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« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2009, 06:47:34 AM »
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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2009, 07:58:03 AM »
Phat,

You could have gotten something like chlamydia or gonorrhea from being blown, BUT NOT HIV. If your penis is bothering you or you feel unwell in general, GO SEE A DOCTOR ABOUT IT.

Getting a blowjob is NOT a risk for hiv infection, no matter what details you want to add, not even if you got gono from the blowjob. Not one person has EVER been infected with hiv from getting blown. What makes you think you're so special that you'll be the first? You won't be the first. You got your dick sucked. Get over it already!

Don't come back with more of the same or you WILL be given that time out Rodney warned you about.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


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