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Offline lean2265

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Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« on: October 19, 2008, 03:17:01 PM »

Hi guys
I'have been on kaletra and truvada for 10months. For the the first 8 month i didn't ahve sex and the last 2 month start enjoying my bottoming again.
The problem......no matter how much i clean my ass( douche)...when i ithought i was ready to ahve sex....i always make  a mess..like watery poopy ....leakage....I was embarassed... This happened a lot lately :'(
On the 9 th month...1 -2 immodium seem fine but not recently.
 I always take metamucil b4 i go to bed at nite...but it's not enough to keep my stool firm...

I become frustated.....I know kaletra give diarhea problem to most people....I can deal with it on daily basis but not when i am having sex.

Can anybody tell me ur experience and how to cope w/ it........I want to enjoy being bottom but not worried making a mess.....

If i have to to take more immodium b4 the "action" i'll do it.....is it better to take the immodium b4 the Arv or afte?r..I tried to take it my med with 2 immodium....and did the douche for 2 hours....still i made a mess on teh first encounter....So F*cking Messy

I'll apprreciate ur answer ;D

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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2008, 03:30:32 PM »
First of all, if diarrhea is a daily occurrence I'd obtain a script for loperamide, which is really just OTC imodium but it's 2mg per capsule instead of 1mg.  You can certainly take more imodium than you are currently, which I assume is just 2mg/day.  I take 12mg/daily (6 capsules of loperamide) and have taken that amount for a decade.  Also, I don't take "as needed" but instead just take it normally when I take my dose of HIV meds twice daily.  This keeps a steady amount of it in my body and controls diarrhea.  95% of my bowel movements are now solid. 

I will ad, however, that I use lopermide in conjunction with Pancrecarb.  This was suggested by my HIV specialist several years ago, and when combined with loperminde it's helped me with diarrhea more than just using lopermide on its own.  It's a prescription, and if you are on ADAP it may be paid for.  It is in the state where I live.

http://www.digestivecare.com/pancrecarb3.htm

Rather off topic, but I'd also take care not to douche too much, though you don't indicate how frequently you are doing this.
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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2008, 11:59:48 PM »
Thanks philly

Btw i only take immodium if am gonna have sex....once or twice a week.......
On daily basis i have 2-3 BM especialy if i have coffee and protein milk....( i want to gain weight... 5"11   162 lbs).
I take acodiphillus and milk thistle everyday too ( My Dr said fine)
If i don't have to douche...i drink half warm water mixed with turmeric powder ( taste bitterd). most of the time it helps with the  infrequent bloating and gassy incident  :o
Well , I am gonna ask my Dr about this pancreab pills on the next visit (12/16).

Anyways i need more input from anyguy who have been in this diarrhea combo for years. :D

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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2008, 12:13:04 AM »
Thanks philly

Btw i only take immodium if am gonna have sex....once or twice a week.......
On daily basis i have 2-3 BM especialy if i have coffee and protein milk....( i want to gain weight... 5"11   162 lbs).
I take acodiphillus and milk thistle everyday too ( My Dr said fine)
If i don't have to douche...i drink half warm water mixed with turmeric powder ( taste bitterd). most of the time it helps with the  infrequent bloating and gassy incident  :o
Well , I am gonna ask my Dr about this pancreab pills on the next visit (12/16).

Anyways i need more input from anyguy who have been in this diarrhea combo for years. :D

I take loperamide twice a day 2mg seems to do it for me, but not always.......as for doing anything anal, I give that up about 15 yrs. ago, and, I don't miss being anal at all, when you get older, the things you like to do, become less of a factor, I have leaned to live with my diarrhea, it's why I'm disabled  ???
I look at it this way, I don't have to be anal anymore........it works for me!  ;D
« Last Edit: October 20, 2008, 12:17:26 AM by denb45 »
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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2008, 02:45:05 AM »
Some people swear by taking loperomide at least half an hour before douching and bottoming.

A number of people have changed to prezista with dramatic improvements in diarrhoea.  In many cases the diarrhoea resolves.

Do you take a fiber supplement?
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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2008, 10:30:44 AM »
Some people swear by taking loperomide at least half an hour before douching and bottoming.

A number of people have changed to prezista with dramatic improvements in diarrhoea.  In many cases the diarrhoea resolves.

Do you take a fiber supplement?

No........ just a one-a-day mens Supplement and some Omega 3 fatty acids, but I also eat whole wheat gains, apples, oranges, don't do any dairy, and drink plenty of water about 7 to 8 glasses a day, I drink decaff coffee, and sometimes Green Tea, seems to help  ;D  my whole thing is this, I've had diarrhea for about 15 yrs. so, to me if I don't poo everyday, then I think my system is all gummed-up, but when I do poo every day, for me that seems to be normal for me...........now when I STOP all MEDS everything returns back to normal, but I don't get to do that much, only about every 3 yrs. and in between new meds  ???
« Last Edit: October 20, 2008, 10:36:06 AM by denb45 »
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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2008, 11:29:48 AM »
Thanks for ur input denb and tempboy

I take fiber supplement everynite....it really helps me in the morning when i have a solid BM..but after i take the medicine ..it will be back to diarrhea again....well maybe 2-3 days daily.....it's ok with me.
I remember the first 8 month i start using this med..i only have diarrhea twice a week.
I started got the real side effect like everybody else was 2 month ago...Hopefully it won't last forever or i have to ask the doctor to change the combo to Reyataz.....
Atripla...HELL no...i tried for 5 days ...gave e a severe Rash....and fever....

Well i guess if u HIV + and on kaletra and truvada .....u can't  be "Gang banged " then  ..LOL
I 'll be 34yo  next month and got to consider to celibate....Sucks

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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2008, 11:44:37 AM »
Thanks for ur input denb and tempboy


Well i guess if u HIV + and on kaletra and truvada .....u can't  be "Gang banged " then  ..LOL
I 'll be 34yo  next month and got to consider to celibate....Sucks

Oh you can get "Gang Banged" but, it gonna be MESSY if you do, and to a lotta of us, that's GROSS and a huge-turn-off as well.............that's why I give up  ANAL well over 15 yrs ago, and I've never looked back, I'd rather just keep the old memories of anal, then to actually do it  ;D.....if my otherhalf BOB wants some bareback boot'tat , he'll have to go find someone else to pump, and it won't be me, after 15 yrs. he understands why....................
« Last Edit: October 20, 2008, 11:46:45 AM by denb45 »
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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2008, 06:16:37 PM »
Hi denb45

How long have u been on kaletra and truvada...? ;D.
I am sure there are different combo that don't give us diarrhea.....
Well i am gonna ask my Dr about reyataz...but i have to wait till Dec

I am sure there are many guys who are on this combo have problem in bottoming want to find the resolve but to embarassed to address it :o....I won't tell my Dr too about it....Too much Information...next time i c here ..i just gonna tell here that this comboalways  make me wanna crap lately :P

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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2008, 06:28:11 PM »
Forget that!  I'd rather die than close up shop on my hoo hoo.  No way, man.  Not happening.  But Kaletra was a major drag on that one, and I had to take all sorts of extra care to make the magic happen.  And it was much less frequent back then.  Switched to Reyataz an spring and don't have the issue so much anymore.  Kaletra is evil.
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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2008, 06:54:49 PM »
Hi Thunter

Does Reyataz make ur skin yellow.?  Is it permanent?
The thing that i like from my combo beside make my VL undetect is they never give me nausea or make me fatigue....( btw i take h2o2 35% food grade diluted w/ liquid 15-30 fl oz on empty stomach b4 i wotk out or in teh morning everyday? it gives me normal feeeling.
I have been working out in the gym 3-4 times a week about 40-45 mnts...no longer thatn 1 hour...i don't do cardio because i want to gain weight and muscle... My build is always slender....but i am kinda tall for asian...

Does reyataz make u fatigue????

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Re: Curious.....sex and diarrhea(kaletra)
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2008, 07:09:58 PM »
hey lean,

I know exactly what you are talking about as I was on the same combo for two years. I wish I had a simple solution for you but I don't. I gave up bottoming completely - it just wasn't worth the mess and embarrassment. And, on the odd day when I didn't have diarrhoea my arse was so raw and sore that it just closed right up and wouldn't work.  :(

I changed meds in the end and can now bottom the night away without any concern.

I didn't realise at the time just how much the side effects were ruining my life.

Hope you find something that works for you.

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Re: Curious....anal sex and diarrhea(kaletra)..Ouchhhh
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2008, 07:29:04 PM »
Hi Steve

I can't give up bottoming if there are a better solution for this.

If u don't mind telling me what ur combo is.....i might a a better chance....btw i can't take atripla...tried it b4 didn't work....

Thank you ;D

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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2008, 07:31:27 PM »
Hi Lean, I don't have any suggestions because I have had no diarrhea with my combo.

I began Truvada and boosted Reyataz in February and have had no diarrhea at all, and I've continued to give it up for my guy at least once a week.  I bought a pack of Immodium before beginning meds, and have never even opened it.

One thing that may affect my results is that I eat a fairly healthy diet, high in fiber and low in fat and sugar.   

The only side effect I've had from this combo so far is occasional yellow skin and eyes.  What I've noticed is that those occasions have all occurred a day or two after using poppers.  I think I've read that drinking can do it too.  It's not so bad that I want to risk a different med (or give up poppers completely).

Good luck finding a solution.  I hope you find something that works.   
...................VL.....CD4.....%
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08/10-- ......<40.....290.....42
05/10-- ......<48.....290.....46
02/10-- ......<48.....481.....44
10/09-- ......<48.....277.....46
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05/09-- ........51.....449.....39
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11/08-- ........62.....242.....40
08/08-- ........66.....212.....29
05/08-- ......202.....217.....27
03/08-- ....5210.....187.....21
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Re: Curious....anal sex and diarrhea(kaletra)..Ouchhhh
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2008, 07:59:50 PM »
The moderators frown on starting duplicate threads all over different sections of the forums.  You already have a discussion on this same topic that you began yesterday:

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=23754.0

Imagine if every board member did this.  It would be rather chaotic.
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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2008, 08:06:04 PM »
Hi denb45

How long have u been on kaletra and truvada...? ;D.
I am sure there are different combo that don't give us diarrhea.....
Well i am gonna ask my Dr about reyataz...but i have to wait till Dec

I am sure there are many guys who are on this combo have problem in bottoming want to find the resolve but to embarassed to address it :o....I won't tell my Dr too about it....Too much Information...next time i c here ..i just gonna tell here that this comboalways  make me wanna crap lately :P

I'm not on Kaletra was on it about 6 yrs. ago, I'm still on truvada tho, check my sig to see what I'm on BELOW, I've had diarrhea while taking  PI's when they 1st came out 1995 or 1996 I think.........
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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2008, 08:12:00 PM »
I have no idea what this statement means:

....( btw i take h2o2 35% food grade diluted w/ liquid 15-30 fl oz on empty stomach b4 i wotk out or in teh morning everyday? it gives me normal feeeling.


I don't know what this h2o2 35% diluted food grade whatever thingy is. Please clarify.

As for the yellow:  It can, but doesn't usually.  With me, I have only experienced minor tinting on occasion.  Mostly, my yellowing is in the eyes...and the Reyataz "tells on me" if I drink or otherwise get up to no good.  It makes my eyes yellow the next day.

As for fatigue:  When I first started it, I had all sorts of energy, but after a month or so I "crashed" and went back to extreme fatigue for awhile.  Now, that has also leveled out for the time being.  I am not bursting with energy, but I am in no way as wrung out with fatigue as I used to be.

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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2008, 08:17:18 PM »
Forget that!  I'd rather die than close up shop on my hoo hoo.  No way, man.  Not happening.  But Kaletra was a major drag on that one, and I had to take all sorts of extra care to make the magic happen.  And it was much less frequent back then.  Switched to Reyataz an spring and don't have the issue so much anymore.  Kaletra is evil.

Well, I've closed up shop yrs. ago due to this, and I never really like anal anyways, I always did it to please my BF's cause I always thought it was required ( part of being queer) but, as I got older, realized, it was just a sexual position and nothing more ( it was NEVER a Requirement to be queer) lots of other things you could do besides anal sex, so, if you never really liked anal sex, then why even do it ....what I'm saying here is the diarrhea made it unattractive to me, so, it was something I wanted to stop doing anyway, so, I welcomed the diarrhea instead of getting my ass banged ( or banging someone else with a dirty ass) GROSS MAN........but, to each his own I suppose, what ever works for you....anal sex never WORKED for me  ::)  to me it was never the panacea of being Gay and liking Men ( if a Men puts his cock anywhere near my ass, I go soft) and if I get anywhere near a man's ass I go soft............... ;)
« Last Edit: October 20, 2008, 08:35:28 PM by denb45 »
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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2008, 08:18:35 PM »
Thanks for ur input denb and tempboy

I take fiber supplement everynite....it really helps me in the morning when i have a solid BM..but after i take the medicine ..it will be back to diarrhea again....well maybe 2-3 days daily.....it's ok with me.
I remember the first 8 month i start using this med..i only have diarrhea twice a week.
I started got the real side effect like everybody else was 2 month ago...Hopefully it won't last forever or i have to ask the doctor to change the combo to Reyataz.....
Atripla...HELL no...i tried for 5 days ...gave e a severe Rash....and fever....

Well i guess if u HIV + and on kaletra and truvada .....u can't  be "Gang banged " then  ..LOL
I 'll be 34yo  next month and got to consider to celibate....Sucks

Your post says that this was largely under control for the first 8 months.  What else in your life changed 2 months ago?  Did you change diet in some way or add a drug or supplement?

I'm on Kaletra and Truvada and have mild diarrhea but it is usually controllable by diet (adding high fibre fruit and nuts  -- almonds in particular seem to "hold things together" sometimes a little too much).

BTW are you on Kaletra tablets or capsules?  The tablets are supposed to be easier on the digestive system.

Hope you find something that works.
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8/09  new regimen Isentress/Epzicom 9/09 VL UD CD4 621 32.7% 11/09 VL UD CD4 607 26.4% swap Isentress for Prezista/Norvir 12/09 (liver and muscle issues) VL 50
2010 VL UD CD4 573-680 26.1% - 30.9% 12/10 VL 20
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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2008, 08:33:10 PM »
Lean

I have merged your post from the "Living with" forum, you have had a good responce from the guys here in the Treatment forum, I don't see any need for you to duplicate your threads...thanks.

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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2008, 10:11:29 PM »
Thank you anniebc

I take the yellow tablet of kaletra...twice a day...the yellow one.
I Just started having sex 2  or 2.5 month ago....the first 8 month kind a celibated.....
Since i didn't have much side effect on the first 8 months..it hought uuu i think i am ready again for sex....
Then i started to got the common side effect whcih is diarrhea.......2-3 times a day.
Well the first 3 intercourse at different day were fine...and the nightmare kept coming after that.
I am afraid to have sex again now....I Wish i wouldn't wake up the next day..... :'(

btw..h2o2 is hydrogen peroxide....it's nothing to do to calm down the diarrhea ..just to give me extra energy.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2008, 10:14:31 PM by lean2265 »

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Re: Curious....anal sex and diarrhea(kaletra)..Ouchhhh
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2008, 10:39:59 PM »
Hi Steve

I can't give up bottoming if there are a better solution for this.

If u don't mind telling me what ur combo is.....i might a a better chance....btw i can't take atripla...tried it b4 didn't work....

Thank you ;D

I was on Kaletra + Truvada but switched to Prezista + Truvada earlier this year. It was a god send. I rarely get diarrhoea these days unless I drink too much alcohol or eat too much meat.

You may also want to consider leaving the H202 out of your diet. Your body gets all the oxygen it needs from breathing through your lungs. In any case, are you diluting it enough? Ironic if it is the source of your diarrhoea and not Kaletra.
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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2008, 12:33:33 AM »
I don't think it's the HP since i only take it 2 tablespoon a day...and my problem w/ diarrhea...come when i had sex which is above 9 or 10 pm....
Sorry if it's too much information guys... :-[ :-X :-\.
Well...i will try to cut my supplement intake to sc if there are progress w my medicine...but i will keep taking the fiber...... ;D
I have been incorporating more fiber in my my diest lately...like oatmeal w/ soy milk int eh morning ( btw i am lactose intolerant) :(

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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2008, 12:37:13 AM »
consuming hydrogen peroxide for energy?  i have never heard of such.
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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2008, 01:14:49 AM »
Hi Any body knows where to get this.....Shaman Botanicals--Normal Stool Formula
It sounds promising.
The website seem down.. :(
Maybe it come in different name?????? :-*

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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2008, 01:41:48 AM »
consuming hydrogen peroxide for energy?  i have never heard of such.

Pharmacy grade HP is 3.5% -- 6% is beautician grade to color hair.  90% grade is the oxygen source for rocket fuel.  Maybe we should aim higher for the moon.
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Re: Miserable.. Bottom on Kaletra and Truvada(diarrhea on sex)
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2008, 05:24:16 AM »
I am also taking Kaletra and Truvada.
I am also taking half a teaspoon of powdered INDIAN cinnamon 4 times a day which I mix into my coffee.

I swear by it that it keeps my stomache in check. Since I started to take cinnamon I do not suffer from diahrea or constipation. If I dont take my cinnamon i have diahrrea but the cinnamon clears it up and my stomach goes back to normal with normal firm bowl movements almost immediately.

As far as I am concerened its a mirical solution. I know that half a teaspoon in coffee is quite disgusting but it sure beats the alternative. I have gotten used to it and so I tollerate it well. If mixed with milk it is not so bitter. It can also be mixed into yoghurt.

It must be Indian/Srilankan Cinnamon obtainable in an Indian food grocery shop/market.
The Indian Cinnamon has a more subtle smell.

 Please try it and I hope that it works for you.
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