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Offline GM1987

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Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« on: July 29, 2006, 10:59:10 PM »
Hello everyone:
Great forum and amazing people.
I'm a 19 year old virgin (straight) male who is paranoid about a possible encounter with HIV.
About a week ago I was with a former female classmate of mine and both of us engaged in oral mouth-to-mouth contact. I didn't go down on her and neither did she. I did, suck on her nipple for quite some time and she told me to stop after a while because she thought she might've been bleeding. After checking herself, her bra, and my hands; we found no presence of blood.
Nevertheless, if I was to suck some blood, can I be exposed to HIV?
I've been paranoid because most internet sources state that one can acquire HIV even through mouth-to-mouth contact. If she were bleeding in the mouth and I had a microscopic cut, that could've been a gateway as well?
She's been with only one partner before and stated that he had been tested and his HIV result came out to be negative. She also got a pap smear done previously which tested her negative for HIV as well (even though personal research has suggested to me that pap smears are not a form of HIV testing, correct?).
I appreciate any comments and will test myself after 4 weeks for a peace of mind.
Regards.

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Re: Oral contact - Possible to acquire HIV?
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2006, 12:19:53 AM »
GM1987,

You were not at risk for hiv infection in anything you describe.  Kissing and nipple sucking are not risks for hiv infection.  Saliva is not infectious and actually acts to inhibit hiv infection.  As long as you use condoms for penetrative sex (anal or vaginal) you will avoid hiv infection.

I would like to invite you to read our riveting, action packed "Welcome" thread at the top of this "Am I Infected" forum, along with the associated links.  There's a lot of good information  on the REAL risks for hiv infection, and how to avoid them.

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Offline GM1987

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Re: Oral contact - Possible to acquire HIV?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2006, 12:29:37 AM »
Thank you for the generous reply. I've been calming myself down and this forum has helped a lot.
I got very worried when she stated that her nipple sometimes bleeds. Assuming the worst (since the room was dark), I thought I may have obtained the HIV virus due to blood exposure over there.
Previous research stated that we are usually unaware of open wounds in the mouth, something I had not considered before engaging in the activity.
Even if her nipple was bleeding and I had an open wound in my mouth, chances are slim?
Does saliva concentration make a difference (whether my mouth was dry or not).
With Regard,
GM1987
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Re: Oral contact - Possible to acquire HIV?
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2006, 12:34:53 AM »
GM,

This is a no risk incident no matter how you slice and dice it. Period.

Morgan
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Offline GM1987

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Re: Oral contact - Possible to acquire HIV?
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2006, 12:42:52 AM »
Thank you Morgan, I feel a lot better.
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Offline GM1987

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Pap smear test for HIV?
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2006, 06:14:43 PM »
Hello all,
Just wondering, does a pap smear test for HIV?
A friend of mine went to Plant Parenthood and they used this form to diagnose her and said she's negative.
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Re: Pap smear test for HIV?
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2006, 06:30:39 PM »
NO, a pap smear does not test for HIV. We don't diagnosis anyone on this forum and there is no way to diagnosis anyone on the internet. Your friend is totally wrong in what they told you.

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Re: Oral contact - Possible to acquire HIV?
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2006, 06:58:20 PM »
GM, you PM me and asked me to comment of this thread. I guess you are still fearing you had a risk, correct?
You were not at risk for HIV..

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Re: Pap smear test for HIV?
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2006, 08:16:06 PM »
GM,

Please confine any additional questions or comments to your original thread.  Do not start new threads for new questions.

Morgan
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Re: Pap smear test for HIV?
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2006, 08:30:44 PM »
The ONLY test which can give you a reliable answer about your HIV status is an HIV-specific test. Everything else is guesswork and HIV is not something to guess about.

I'm locking this thread now. Instead of starting new threads, please return to your original thread if you have further questions or commments. It's helpful to readers if all of the exchanges are in one thread. And you will get more informed responses that way.

 
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Re: Oral contact - Possible to acquire HIV?
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2006, 04:31:08 AM »
GM,

I merged your new thread with your original one. Please do not start new threads. If you had bothered to read the Welcome Thread like you've been asked to do, you would have known this.

You shouldn't be PMing people to beg for attention either. We have lives too you know, lives that aren't spent 24/7 on this forum.

You did not have a risk. Even if there were small amounts of blood - which there were NOT - you didn't have a risk. Saliva does an excellent job of inhibiting hiv.

A PAP smear looks for changes in the cervix that might indicate cancer. One of the main cancers that can affect the cervix is one caused by the Human Papilloma Virus, which also causes genital warts. The PAP test does not look for the virus itself, it looks for the cancer it can cause. This virus is also known as HPV (as opposed to HIV), which is where the confusion may have arisen from. She might not have been lying, she might have just been uninformed.

The ONLY test that will reveal a person's hiv status is an ELISA antibody test.

But you didn't have a risk. Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and you will continue to not have a risk. Really! All you need to do to avoid hiv infection is wear condoms for intercourse. It really is that simple.

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Offline GM1987

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Re: Oral contact - Possible to acquire HIV?
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2006, 10:52:21 PM »
Just got tested using OraSure after 42 days. Tested negative. Thank you everyone.
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Offline GM1987

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Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2007, 11:44:45 PM »
I shook my hand with a homeless man at a local diner and I recall getting poked by what appeared to be a needle.
Assuming this man was HIV positive and wanted me to get the virus, what are chances of me acquiring it?
I've read numerous text that "sharing needles" is considered a high risk and am very worried.
After 9th day, I got a sore throat and on the 11th day, have a very congested nose.
I'm certainly not stating that this is a symptom of ARS (since it takes 2-4 weeks for the symptoms to appear) but could it be possible that I'm getting it sooner?
You've all helped me in the past and I'm glad you're here for me now.

Edit: No syringe was present. Just a needle.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2007, 12:05:34 AM by GM1987 »
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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2007, 02:44:59 AM »
You were never at risk and the symptoms that you have came on to quick to be related to seroconversion. If the symptoms continue see your doctor.

Offline GM1987

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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2007, 03:05:14 AM »
Thank you for the generous response.
Theoretically, isn't this incident the same as ones experienced by doctors/nurses/drug users?

Would my risk be different if in fact the man had poked me with a needle-syringe combo?
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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2007, 03:13:11 AM »
No it is not the same as what the Healthcare personnel are exposed to. It would matter if a syringe were connected. The only ones to ever contract HIV via needles outside the Healthcare field are drug abusers that swap works back an forth between other abusers.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2007, 07:02:46 AM by RapidRod »

Offline GM1987

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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2007, 04:04:07 AM »
Any chance of acquiring Hep B/C/other illnesses?
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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2007, 07:10:52 AM »
No you are not going to contract HBV or HCV.

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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2007, 07:18:57 AM »
GM,

This is the second time I've had to merge your threads. It would seem you have never bothered to read the Welcome Thread. Please read it now, take note of the posting guidelines and follow the links to the Transmission Lesson.

Your incident is nothing like a needle-stick in a health care setting nor is it anything like drug use needle sharing. You did not have a risk.

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Offline GM1987

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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2007, 02:35:40 AM »
Well, it's been 15 days...
I'm still afraid that this guy had some blood on the needle and it got into my system.

Yes, there was no syringe involved. But there technically was, "sharing of needles."
Someone please help, what's the difference between sharing needles in this case and sharing needles such as when, injecting drugs. I'm really anxious.

When they say "sharing of needles" in a drug user scenario, do they essentially assume that it was a syringe?
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Offline RapidRod

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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2007, 06:07:52 AM »
Now you really aren't' that dense are you? What does IV mean (as in intravenous)? It doesn't mean subcutaneous, now does it or intramuscular?

Offline GM1987

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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2007, 11:28:27 PM »
But it appeared to be a medical utensil with fresh blood...
Why do doctors freak out when they poke themselves with a needle, it isn't subcutaneous or intramuscular as well...
I don't mean to disrespect you RapidRod, I believe your information is very correct and true but I'm really scared.
Why would anyone purposely poke me with a needle...I think he really was trying to hurt me and that guilt that I'm a victim is killing me.
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Offline RapidRod

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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2007, 03:03:06 AM »
Seek out the help of a mental health professional, you are beyond the boundaries for what this forum can provide for you.

Offline GM1987

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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2007, 03:10:05 AM »
Sorry RapidRod. I don't need help, just scared like everyone else.
I will get tested soon.
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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2007, 03:18:36 AM »
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I think he really was trying to hurt me and that guilt that I'm a victim is killing me.

You don't think that is not irrational thinking? You do need to seek mental help.

Offline GM1987

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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2007, 03:52:15 AM »
Why else would anyone poke me with a needle?
Just for fun?
He had it all planned out. Talk. Shake hand. Zap!

Maybe it's just me but the scenario didn't seem normal at all.
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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2007, 12:22:52 PM »
GM that IS irrational thinking.  It doesnt happen in real life.  Please take our advice and contact a mental health professional as we are unable to help you with fears of being assasinated.
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
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Offline GM1987

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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2007, 06:37:49 PM »
Once again, I am not assuming this happened.
It did happen.

The same way you'd wonder why a man stabs another for no apparent reason with a knife is the same way I'm wondering why a man stabbed me with a needle for no apparent reason.

People don't do that for fun... You don't need mental help because there are some sick people out there.
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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2007, 06:46:29 PM »
GM, we've already told you, you didn't have a risk. We will not change our minds for you so there is no need to discuss it any further. Please seek out the help you really need.

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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2007, 10:13:42 PM »
RapidRod I'm not crazy.
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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2007, 10:17:18 PM »
We arent saying your crazy.  we are saying there is nothing more we can do for you here.  And you dont have to be crazy to get help.  trust me, i know from experience.
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
RIDE!!!

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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2007, 02:52:44 AM »
So I talked to a doctor and he said I can get HIV from the needle stick exposure since it went deep and it had some blood on it. I'm scared.
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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2007, 04:17:31 AM »
GM1987, your story keeps changing.

We have gone from:
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I recall getting poked by what appeared to be a needle
through:
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I'm still afraid that this guy had some blood on the needle and it got into my system
and:
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it appeared to be a medical utensil with fresh blood...
to:
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So I talked to a doctor and he said I can get HIV from the needle stick exposure since it went deep and it had some blood on it.

Every time someone addresses your fears you add something else to your story just to prolong what is obviously a pointless discussion since you do not appear to be paying attention to what you are being told.

We started out with something that might have been a needle, but with no mention of blood on  it (just your fears) and now you are telling a doctor that you had a  needle stick that "went in deep had some blood on it".

How do you know there was blood on the needle? (and, more importantly, why didn't you mention it before)  It's really very hard to see blood on a needle even if you are looking closely at it, and at first you didn't even appear to be sure that it actually was a needle ...

I don't know why you are doing this, but it is time for you to put this incident behind you and move on.

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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2007, 12:06:54 PM »
Ditto.

You are inventing things at this point.  Again, mental health is your best avenue for help.
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
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RIDE!!!

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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2007, 01:58:09 AM »
I know where you're coming from mate but I have to tell you that I was in a deep state of denial for some time...
Thanks for helping though!
I guess only time will tell...
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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2007, 11:57:35 AM »
I'm scared mates.
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LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
RIDE!!!

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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2007, 02:49:41 PM »
Hello all. I got the help needed and have been doing well.
Anyways, today I'll take the OraSure test (42 days have passed).
I'll let you know the results.
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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2007, 02:54:16 PM »
It's to early to take that test. Go to OraSure's site and read what they say about testing. A negative test recieved less than three months may not be a negative at all.

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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2007, 03:27:39 PM »
Mr. RapidRod, thank you.

Dr. HHH on MedHelp.org has previously stated that
"With modern antibody tests (including OraSure Advance), virtually everybody (probably 99% or higher) has a positive result within 7 weeks of catching HIV."

Didn't the CDC drop their conservative 6 month down to 3 month?

Major consensus over there seems like even the 3 month window period with modern tests is very conservative.

I also believe that the doctor has never seen any 4-6 month negatives come out positive later on...

Nevertheless, thank you Mr. RapidRod, you are very amazing indeed.
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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2007, 03:38:14 PM »
Read what OraSure says about there testing. http://www.orasure.com/uploaded/397.pdf?138&sec=2&subsec=2 Read What does a negative result mean.

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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2007, 04:38:26 PM »
GM,

You didn't have a risk. You can test anytime you like, collect your negative result and move on.

Ann
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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2007, 08:30:35 PM »
Hello All:
I took the OraSure® HIV-1 Oral Fluid Specimen Device test and the person administering it told me to come back in a week.

I went to a local clinic and took the OraQuick® ADVANCE™ HIV-1/2 Antibody Test and got the result in 25 minutes.

Negative

To be extra sure/conservative, I will take the test in another 6 weeks (even though I know the result will be a negative).

The individual administering the OraQuick test stated that a lot of their folks get needle pricks and transmission has not occured - have to be careful I guess.

Thanks again Mr. RapidRod and Ann, you all have helped a lot.
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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2007, 10:21:25 AM »
Negative.  As we said.

Go ahead and test again, I'm sure Oraquick can use the money.
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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2007, 10:38:57 PM »
Deep inside, I never doubted anything you all said.

I was just a little worried about the "55" document cases regarding needle stick injuries in the health care setting.
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« Reply #45 on: February 15, 2007, 12:14:23 AM »
Deep inside, I never doubted anything you all said.

I was just a little worried about the "55" document cases regarding needle stick injuries in the health care setting.

55 out of 75 million or so cases.  And you werent in a healthcare setting.
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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #46 on: February 15, 2007, 03:09:39 PM »
Would chances of transmission increase if lets say, a needle was placed behind a door handle and was to prick multiple individuals?
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« Reply #47 on: February 15, 2007, 03:13:28 PM »
What is your deall? You post here, then you go to medhelp and post, then you come back here and post again. The answer is NO to your question. Now if you want to withdraw positive blood from someone and inject it into your vein then you might have a REAL risk.

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« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2007, 03:15:57 PM »
Rod is right.  Stop with the what ifs.  It doesnt happen.
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Offline GM1987

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Re: Possible Needle Stick Exposure
« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2007, 03:25:05 PM »
Sorry.
I lost a very special person in my life recently and have been very sensitive.
I think the id is taking control of my ego and my superego is just watching the two battle with each other.

When I went to the clinic to get my test done, I remember opening the door and feeling a little sketchy about doing so. I realized that it had some clear masking tape wrapped around the area where the majority of people put their hands on and when I was inside, I began thinking that I got poked.

I checked from the interior (through the glass) - and could not see any visible needle but it might've been too thin for my eyes.
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