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Author Topic: Meet Chato--NEW NATURAL DEVELOPMENTS!  (Read 2575 times)

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Offline Basquo

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Meet Chato--NEW NATURAL DEVELOPMENTS!
« on: September 21, 2008, 05:15:37 PM »
This is the first caterpillar I've had since moving downtown. He's a pipevine swallowtail, and he's fiesty! A lovely little pink-haired butterfly girl found me iat the garden center examining the rue, and she directed me to a native dutchman's pipe so I got the one that he's on and another that has about a dozen eggs on it. My butterfly cage is at Santi's but I'll be bringing it home Wednesday after his surgery, so hopefully Chato can wait that long to cocoon.





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Offline anniebc

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Re: Meet Chato
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2008, 05:21:47 PM »
How long do we need to wait until the Metamorphosis's takes place and see some photo's?

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Offline Basquo

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Re: Meet Chato
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2008, 05:32:17 PM »
I guessing 3 days max. He's huge, and should slow down for a day or so before finding a place to hang and shed his outer skin. He's already eaten a leaf and a half, dropped three green balls of poo and shows no signs of slowing down. I've set just those plants on a little table away from everything else, so hopefully if he decides to chrysalize before I get him caged then at least he won't wander too far. I already had to move him to another vine because he was about to eat some of his little brothers and sisters, who are still 0.5mm orange eggs at this point.

Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: Meet Chato
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2008, 06:15:54 PM »
Hello Chato! He looks like a big one. I look forward to seeing the metamorphosis.

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Re: Meet Chato
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2008, 07:44:15 PM »
How long do we need to wait until the Metamorphosis's takes place and see some photo's?

Lots of hugs
Jan :-*

I misunderstood your question! You're asking when he will actually come out as a butterfly, right? I'm not sure, as I've never had this type before. My other butterflies came out anywhere from 10 days to 2 months after cocooning. If I had to guess, at this time of the year, I'd say 2 or 3 weeks. Abbey once had a giant swallowtail that cocooned in November and didn't come out until April.

Evidently they are native all over but particularly in the Carolinas.



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Offline J.R.E.

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Re: Meet Chato
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2008, 08:26:24 PM »
 :)

My aunt did this for a hobby many years ago. I remember how it used to amaze us kids, watching the Metamorphosis's take place. Very coooolll !! Great pictures !


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Offline Basquo

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Re: Meet Chato
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2008, 09:55:29 PM »
I went to Santi's and picked up the cage this evening.  I put Chato and the whole plant inside, and not a moment too soon! He ate for a while longer, but now he's crawled up to the top of the cage on is just staying there, all legs on the roof, upside down.  After a few hours, he will hang from his tail end, start spasming and then his skin will start sliding off from the tail down, and a green, alien-looking shell will form around him.

Chrysalis time in Travis Heights!

Offline BT65

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Re: Meet Chato--NEW NATURAL DEVELOPMENTS!
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2008, 10:27:48 PM »
I've never observed the full change from caterpillar to butterfly.  This will be interesting.
I've never killed anyone, but I frequently get satisfaction reading the obituary notices.-Clarence Darrow

Offline Basquo

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Re: Meet Chato--NEW NATURAL DEVELOPMENTS!
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2008, 10:48:12 PM »
Here's Chato in his pre-hang trance:



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Offline Andy Velez

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Re: Meet Chato--NEW NATURAL DEVELOPMENTS!
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2008, 01:40:06 PM »
Fascinating stuff, Basquo. I'm staying tuned.

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Offline Basquo

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Re: Meet Chato--NEW NATURAL DEVELOPMENTS!
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2008, 06:44:43 PM »
When I got home yesterday, Chato wasn’t doing so good.  He had moved from the roof of the cage, back onto the plant, and he had spun some kind of fiber that now appeared to be strangling him.  He was attached to the vine by his tail, but there was not web holding him there. After an hour, he ceased moving.

Today when I got home, he appeared dead.  He was dark, small, still caught in that thread. I bumped the cage, watched him sway a little with the breeze, but he was dead.

OR SO I THOUGHT!

An hour later, I couldn’t help but check on him again, and he was moving a little! Over the next hour, the movements became more pronounced until finally he appeared to be going into the spasms that indicate the cocooning process.  I moved the plant out of the cage, careful not to disturb him or the baby caterpillars that were hatching at the same time, and started snapping pictures.

The first one is Chato while he was still in his old skin. The second one shows the skin peeling back and his new head emerging. The third one is most of the old skin worked down to his tail, and his new skin is still moist while he’s twisting as if in extreme pain or ecstasy. The last picture is after his new (temporary) skin has hardened into his chrysalis.

GO CHATO!  He’s back in the cage, and he’ll stay there until he’s ready to take flight.


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Re: Meet Chato--NEW NATURAL DEVELOPMENTS!
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2008, 07:00:46 PM »
That's fascinating, I hope you can get some photo's in different stages as he start's to come out, I'll be looking out for them.

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Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: Meet Chato--NEW NATURAL DEVELOPMENTS!
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2008, 08:45:56 PM »
I was actually upset when I thought he was dead. I can't believe I'm getting emotionally invested in a bug! It's like Charlotte's Web all over again.

Offline Basquo

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Re: Meet Chato--NEW NATURAL DEVELOPMENTS!
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2008, 09:10:56 PM »
I was actually upset when I thought he was dead. I can't believe I'm getting emotionally invested in a bug! It's like Charlotte's Web all over again.

I know!  it's like E.T. without  the "penis breath"...oh, wait...

Offline David_CA

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Re: Meet Chato
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2008, 09:48:51 PM »
Evidently they are native all over but particularly in the Carolinas.

One of the perks of living in NC, I suppose!   ;)  How long to you keep them after they've developed (into butterflies)?  It'll be cool to see more pics of him.

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Offline Basquo

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Re: Meet Chato--NEW NATURAL DEVELOPMENTS!
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2008, 10:32:22 PM »
As soon as I see 'em fluttering the cage is opened.

Offline aztecan

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Re: Meet Chato--NEW NATURAL DEVELOPMENTS!
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2008, 11:31:55 PM »
That is neat!

I didn't know you were into this! It is really interesting and they can be so beautiful!

I had a friend who did it a number of years ago.

HUGS,

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Offline Robert

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Re: Meet Chato--NEW NATURAL DEVELOPMENTS!
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2008, 02:15:38 AM »

GO CHATO!  

Creighton.

This is fascinating.  I have to admit, Chato gives me the hibbie jibbies but I'm staying tuned. 

robert
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