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Offline jcrr

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Hi, some questions
« on: August 15, 2008, 01:31:12 PM »
Hello everybody,how are you, I hope well, first excuse for my bad english, my situation is that I had unprotected vaginal sex (I am a man) with a woman who is not prostitute but I don’t know her serostatus, the truth is the first and only relationship I had, immediately (a few hours) after this relationship gave to me balanitis (I don’t know its name in English) (that was a very strong relationship), the med heal that at 3 days, then I started thinking about the possibility of having contracted HIV because I am afraid this much, my questions are the following:

1 I understand what the window period is 3 months, but it is true that this period is an exaggeration?, I read that the CDC said that the period is from 2 to 8 weeks with an average of 21 days, I want to know your opinion on the matter, because of the medhelp Doctors say that 6 weeks is a conclusive proof.

2 What difference exists between the effectiveness of a elisa generation of 4 and 3 generation? which is the average window period with these tests?

3 I don’t know if you are no experts in technology issues in HIV tests, but wondered if you know which generation Elise processing machine AXSYM of Abbot.


4. probability that I can contracted HIV because a single casual exposure (vaginal) with a woman of unknown serostatus (not prostitute).

5. It beforehand that the probability of infection in a single exposure is very low but is posible, but wondered if you have known cases of infection after a single relation (exposure).

6. It is true that co-infection with diseases such as hepatitis lengthens the window period, if so how long it extends , what  diseases lengthen the period of window.

7. Today I find myself in the day 69 after that exposure, plans to make another elisa to 84 days (3 months), I test HIV test ag / ac after 33 days and gave nonreactive, I know that it is not conclusive, but what do you think about the reliability of this test?

8. Also, the symptoms of ARS, is that these are not sufficient to diagnose HIV, I want to tell that sometimes I felt hot, but I have not had a fever, yesterday and the day before yesterday I had a sore stomach, and 3 weeks ago as I had neck stiffness and headache, if ars that are so common these symptoms?

9. the fever of ars is much strong?, which are the most common symptoms of ars? these symptoms are presented separately or together? in that time frame are these symptoms?


10. In general what are your predictions in my test results in 3 months

Thank you in advance everyone for your responses, a hug to everyone. And congratulations on the good work that you do. And excuse me for my bad english

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PS: please send me good luck, and if you are believers please include me in your prayers

jcrr


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Re: Hi, some questions
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2008, 01:48:48 PM »
jc,

We would prefer it if you pick one forum - English or Spanish - and stick to that forum.

The vast majority of people who have actually been infected will seroconvert and test positive by six weeks, with the average time to seroconversion being 22 days. A negative six weeks test MUST be confirmed at three months. We go by the official CDC three month window period here.

It doesn't matter what generation test is used, three or four. They mainly make a difference in the first two or three weeks. A test with ANY generation is conclusive at three months.

Hv is a fragile, difficult virus to transmit, and more so from a woman to a man. I really don't expect your 33 day result to change, but you do need confirmatory testing.

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex with a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

Anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

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Re: Hi, some questions
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2008, 01:57:51 PM »
ok, i will take this forum (english), thanks for the quick response, but i still have questions about t the probability of infection in a single exposure, wondered if you have known cases of infection after a single relation (exposure)?.

 and  It is true that co-infection with diseases such as hepatitis lengthens the window period, if so how long it extends , what  diseases lengthen the period of window. ?


and the fever of ars is much strong?, which are the most common symptoms of ars? these symptoms are presented separately or together? in that time frame are these symptoms?


thanks ann

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Re: Hi, some questions
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2008, 02:02:20 PM »
There is no way of calculating the probability of infection with HIV, you need to test at 13 weeks.

Infection with hepatitis or any other disease will not affect the window period for HIV infection - it's still 13 weeks.

Symptoms are meaningless when it comes to diagnosing HIV infection and as such, we don't discuss symptoms here.


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Re: Hi, some questions
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2008, 03:41:37 PM »
ok, matty, i understand thaths no matter on symptoms but i want to question about, the probability of infection in a single exposure, wondered if you have known cases of infection after a single relation (exposure)?.

thanks Matty

Ann please answer my questions, thnks, a hug to you both, and please excuse me for my bad english again

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Re: Hi, some questions
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2008, 03:48:33 PM »
jc,

There is no way of calculating the probability of infection with HIV, you need to test at 13 weeks.

Infection with hepatitis or any other disease will not affect the window period for HIV infection - it's still 13 weeks.

Symptoms are meaningless when it comes to diagnosing HIV infection and as such, we don't discuss symptoms here.

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Re: Hi, some questions
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2008, 04:30:39 PM »
ok i understand, im not questioning about calculating the probability of infection nor my simptoms, im questioning about from your experiences and  knowledge, my questions are:

you have known cases of infection after a single exposure (no calculating my risk, only if you know).

and i not talking about my simptoms, the other question is the ars symptoms are presented separately or together? in what time frame are these symptoms?

and the last question is, you know people that have negative 6 week tests and 3 month positive tests, (this isn´t calculating my risk only if you know)

Thanks, Please Excuse me if I caused any inconvenience, I hope that you answer my questions, thanks


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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2008, 04:47:45 PM »
As Matty said, there is no way of calculating HIV infection, you need to test. Can someone be infected with HIV after a single unprotected exposure? Yes, but this is meaningless for any particular individual. Its been said on the forum before: Odds are for casinos, only testing gives answers...

Usually ARS symptoms present between 5-30 days after exposure and typically last no more than a couple of weeks. They usually arrive together...

Testing at 13 weeks yields a result of incredibly high accuracy (almost all people infected by HIV will present antibodies by then), but a test at 3 months will confirm any result....


edited for a typo....
« Last Edit: August 15, 2008, 04:50:42 PM by atlq »
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Re: Hi, some questions
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2008, 05:37:30 PM »
thanks atlq for your answers, my doctor says that he don´t belive that i test poz at 3 months, he is sure that i´m negtive, i hope that im negtiv too, thanks again,   A Hug.


Pd: finally i wish to know andy´s opinion.

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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2008, 05:46:49 PM »
jcrr-

I mistyped the time frame... i meant to say that testing at (or after ) 6 weeks is incredibly accurate...but that a 3 month (13 week) test will always confirm the result...

All the best...
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Re: Hi, some questions
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2008, 06:20:02 PM »
thanks atlq, i will keep you informated about my tests .

pd: i hope that andy would answer my questions.

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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2008, 07:34:01 PM »
jc,

Andy is not going to say anything different to what's already been said.

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Re: Hi, some questions
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2008, 05:24:33 PM »
i undestnd that a test at 3 months is 100% conclusive, but in the thread how was your seroconvertion, there are people who speak that after of 3 months the test was negative, i wonder, what do you think about this?  to think about this? ???

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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2008, 07:49:55 PM »
Don't go into a forum you have no business being in.

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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2008, 10:30:20 AM »
OK, but why, the seroconversion can be after 3 months, why happens this? please answer my question, dont evade it. Thanks

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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2008, 10:48:38 AM »
Seroconversion after three months is very, very unusual. It involves situations which include IV drug use, persons being treated for cancer or organ transplants and those who have a severely compromised immune system. The latter is not an ordinary event but when the entire body's system is essentially collapsing.

I don't expect any of these considerations apply to you.
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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2008, 11:23:09 AM »
thanks andy, i understand, but can you explain to me please when you reffer to "who have a severely compromised immune system".

and another question, if hiv is a very hard transmission virus, why exists  so many people infected? so is really the famous cdc statistics about hiv transmission calculate for 10.000 exposures (i believe that you know that),

Thanks, and have a nice day!!! hugs!!

PD: i know th the following question is (stupid), the people said to me that there is no way of calculating my probability of contract hiv, but i (wish, want an need) know what do you expect about my 3 month test, please be sincere.

Thanks again, and excuse me for my bad english

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« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2008, 11:43:19 AM »
you had three questions.

1) a severely compromised immune system includes cancer patients on chemotherapy specifically designed to wipe out the immune system. Also speculated are long term hardcore IV drug users, who often have constant open wounds.

2) HIV is a VERY difficult virus to transmit, so far as STDs are concerned. Why is there so much of it? Because people like to have sex. Its that simple. People have sex. And they have sex without condoms.

3) There was (to my knowledge) a single study that came out years ago where scientists attempted to calculate the "odds" per unprotected sexual incident, of HIV transmission. By doing this, they had to create several statistical odds at the low end of the scale to buffer the results. The study was  published, but has since been widely refuted as inaccurate.

Think of it this way. You have an office full of people. One has the flu. Why do six people get it and not ten? Maybe one had natural immunity. Maybe one was a nose-picker. Maybe one wiped her eyes. Maybe one chewed a pencil tip. There are as many variables between each and every act of sex as there are people in the world. Add to that fluctuating viral loads, the overall immune status of both parties. the gentleness or roughness of the activity, and it's just chaos theory.

There really IS no way to tell with ANY degree of certainty how likely ANYONE is to be infected with HIV in a single instance of unprotected sex.

We DO know that the cells that HIV latches onto are found in the urethra, the tiny hole at the end of your penis. Given its small surface area, the likelihood of a viable virus finding its way during vaginal sex is probably the most minimal actual documented risk there is.

HIV is MUCH different for a female, who has a vagina, which is a far larger vulnerable area. This is why HIV positive heterosexual females outnumber HIV positive heterosexual males worldwide.

Hope this answered your questions.
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Re: Hi, some questions
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2008, 12:20:46 PM »
Thanks jkinatl2 , i understood, but i read that the majority of infected people are man, can i asumme that the majority of man infected are gay?.
do you know the statistical relation of hetero women infected, vs hetero male infected?.
Can i asumme that the the people  who are no  cancer patients on chemotherapy or IV drugs users MUST genere antibodies for the elisa at 3 months?


Thanks again, and excuse me for my bad english

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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2008, 09:57:15 AM »
Hello everyone, first of all I  ask my apologies for any inconvenience that i have caused,

i want to say that today  on August 29, 2008 (83 days after the risk), I have taken the test, the results come back on Tuesday, September 2, just hope it will be negative, just come here again by words of encouragement, and please can you talk about my chances to test positive (for more info you can see my case on post No. 1) also i want to comment that I have a test to 33 days hiv ag / ab combo negative.

Thank you, an excuse me for my bad english.

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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2008, 10:15:04 AM »
jc,

Your 33 day negative is unlikely to change.

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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2008, 03:17:09 PM »
 ;D Hello.

I want to say that today i took my test results, and it was negtive (nonreactive) thankfully to god, my last question is, my 83 day elisa test is conclusive, or do i need more testing?.

Thanks to everyone and gain i apologize for any inconvenience that i could do.

the dates of my situation are the following:

7 June 2008 - Risky Act
10 July 2008 - 33 days elisa negtive
29 August - 83 Day Elisa negtive

Thanks to all, and excuse for my bad english

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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2008, 03:57:53 PM »
You have reliably tested negative for HIV. You ARE HIV negative. Period. End of story.

You also need to learn from this experience. Happily you have safely scooted by the risk. You can have sex with as many partners as you like. Just do it the safer way which means that whomever you have either vaginal or anal intercourse with, you are always using a latex condom. No exceptions.

Good luck to you.
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« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2008, 04:41:40 PM »
thanks for your reply Andy, today i feel happy. and again andy i apologize for my prevoius actions, i didnt want to offend anyone.

Thanks again for all people who responded my questions (Andy, Ann,jkinatl2 ,RapidRod ,atlq...) and stay well please.

I wish you the best. ;)

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« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2008, 10:38:19 AM »
thanks to matty.the.damned too 8)

 


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