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Offline sanitex

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Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« on: July 29, 2008, 12:34:41 AM »
Hi guys

               Regardless from what i read from the new research yesterday that concerned about life expectancy with dose that living with Hiv ,the authors said that dose who started ARVs meds with below 100 can only live the avareage life of 10yrs,so dose they mean that for most of us here that started with 20 cd4 can not even reach that 5yrs .pls say your own opinion

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23/8/12 cd4 400 vl <40 23%,
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thyroid (TSH)1.32 ulu/ml creatinine.eGFR blck 1.5 all fasting test morning.
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regimen ATRIPLA
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Offline YaKaMein

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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2008, 12:53:47 AM »
Not sure which study you mean ... but if the one on the home page here for today, then they're meaning ten [10] fewer or less years, not total years of life expectancy.

Anyway, I'd focus on LIVING many years and not how few 'might' be left. 
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Offline sanitex

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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2008, 02:23:41 AM »




    that's from todays study, pls explain to me exact what they really  mean.is't 10yrs from the date of explosure or starting ARVs meds?
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10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
13/12/11 cd4 410 vl undet 23%
24/2/12 cd4 545 vl undet 26%
on 22/2/12 change truvada to Recovir-EM
due to no stock on Truvada.
10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
7/7/12 cd4 359 vl <40 22%
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Offline sanitex

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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2008, 04:19:45 AM »
so guy read this and explain it for me cos i'm still confuse with this .                  HIV-positive people who didn't start ARV treatment until their CD4s dropped to 100 were expected to live 10 fewer years than people who started therapy when their CD4s were above 200. The authors also determined that HIV-positive people with a history of injection drug use were expected to live 10 fewer years than those who never used injection drugs.


27/12/07 cd4 20 vl 1million
10/4 /08 cd4 86 vl 63
1/7/08  cd4 186 vl undetectable
16/10/08 cd4 196 vl undet
23/1/09 cd4 248 vl un
10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
13/12/11 cd4 410 vl undet 23%
24/2/12 cd4 545 vl undet 26%
on 22/2/12 change truvada to Recovir-EM
due to no stock on Truvada.
10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
7/7/12 cd4 359 vl <40 22%
23/8/12 cd4 400 vl <40 23%,
testosterone test 7.5 ng/ml and
thyroid (TSH)1.32 ulu/ml creatinine.eGFR blck 1.5 all fasting test morning.
13/12/2012 cd4 523 24% vl <40
18/3/2013 cd4  513  23% vl <40
regimen ATRIPLA
03/8/2013 cd4 429 22% vl <40
13/11/2013 cd4 455 23% vl <40
Anti-HBs test (quantitative ) Anti-HBs positive
Titer 16.95 mlu/ml <10.00
22/3/14 cd4 396 vl <40 % 24
24/7/14 change to Teevir

Offline randym431

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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2008, 05:02:22 AM »
I don’t know. I'd guess its possible to have a normal lifespan if on meds and they are working.
The issues probably are other health concerns that can come into the mix, like meds causing
higher cholesterol levels and thus heart disease. That could reduce the life expectancy.
But then, smoking does the same as well as being over weight or driving without wearing your seat belt.

Todays meds are very effective in keeping the virus in check and stopping hiv from doing its damage.
So taking care of those other health issues can become more important since problems like high
cholesterol can become the life threatening concern.

Offline RapidRod

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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2008, 07:22:35 AM »
I've had HIV for 24 years and pretty much healthy. Will I die of AIDS? More than likely not.


Offline Ann

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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2008, 07:53:27 AM »
Who knows? Any one of us could get hit by a proverbial bus tomorrow. I can never see the point of worrying about life expectancy.
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Offline Alain

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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2008, 11:36:40 AM »
Sanitex,

I was diagnosed in July 1987, many of my friends were dying.

I was told to get my affairs in order, make the trip I always wanted to do, in other words made the most of everything.

In my situation I was expected to live from 6 months to 15/18 months range.

Even with your low CD4 count, with today's drug regiment it will help you live longer and even see retirement.

Try not to worry and take care of your self and one a day at the time.

Alain. 

Offline Iggy

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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2008, 11:57:15 AM »
Hi guys

               Regardless from what i read from the new research yesterday that concerned about life expectancy with dose that living with Hiv ,the authors said that dose who started ARVs meds with below 100 can only live the avareage life of 10yrs,so dose they mean that for most of us here that started with 20 cd4 can not even reach that 5yrs .pls say your own opinion

sanitex

Sanitex,

The study that you quote DOESN'T say that.

What it says is quite the opposite in meaning:

HIV-positive people who didn't start ARV treatment until their CD4s dropped to 100 were expected to live 10 fewer years than people who started therapy when their CD4s were above 200.

http://www.aidsmeds.com/articles/hiv_life_exectancy_survival_1667_14989.shtml

The key to the study findings really are here btw:

The researchers predicted that a 20-year-old person starting ARV treatment between 1996 and 1999, the early years of combination ARV therapy, could be expected to live an additional 36 years, to the age of 56. This increased significantly, however, as time passed. A 20-year-old who started treatment between 2003 and 2005 was expected to live an additional 49 years, to the age of 69.

The average life expectancy for a 20-year-old who remains HIV negative, at least in industrialized nations, is an additional 60 years—with death occurring, on average, at the age of 80.


Please also remember that this is only a projection and not an exact determination of life span for any HIV+ individual.

Offline Winiroo

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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2008, 10:06:08 PM »
Crystal ball not included.  :)

Offline madbrain

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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2008, 02:00:10 AM »
Who knows? Any one of us could get hit by a proverbial bus tomorrow. I can never see the point of worrying about life expectancy.

While I agree none of us knows when we will end, I don't think it's pointless to worry about it. If you care for someone who is depending on you, if you have some once-in-a-lifetime projects, retirement plans, etc. you might want to have a little better idea of whether you are likely to make it old. That affects decisions you have to make today. I'm sure there are plenty of other good reasons to be concerned with it.

Offline sanitex

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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2008, 03:50:37 AM »



           Thank you all who responed in this powerful conversation it shall be well with you all ,keep on praying oneday the Almighty who knows our feelings will surely answer our prayers in Christ Jesus Amen.anyway your word of opinion really encourage me much whenever i read some thread here ,thank you once again. sanitex
27/12/07 cd4 20 vl 1million
10/4 /08 cd4 86 vl 63
1/7/08  cd4 186 vl undetectable
16/10/08 cd4 196 vl undet
23/1/09 cd4 248 vl un
10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
13/12/11 cd4 410 vl undet 23%
24/2/12 cd4 545 vl undet 26%
on 22/2/12 change truvada to Recovir-EM
due to no stock on Truvada.
10/9/11 cd4 418 vl <40 %22
7/7/12 cd4 359 vl <40 22%
23/8/12 cd4 400 vl <40 23%,
testosterone test 7.5 ng/ml and
thyroid (TSH)1.32 ulu/ml creatinine.eGFR blck 1.5 all fasting test morning.
13/12/2012 cd4 523 24% vl <40
18/3/2013 cd4  513  23% vl <40
regimen ATRIPLA
03/8/2013 cd4 429 22% vl <40
13/11/2013 cd4 455 23% vl <40
Anti-HBs test (quantitative ) Anti-HBs positive
Titer 16.95 mlu/ml <10.00
22/3/14 cd4 396 vl <40 % 24
24/7/14 change to Teevir

Offline newbie76

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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2008, 01:09:59 PM »


           Thank you all who responed in this powerful conversation it shall be well with you all ,keep on praying oneday the Almighty who knows our feelings will surely answer our prayers in Christ Jesus Amen.anyway your word of opinion really encourage me much whenever i read some thread here ,thank you once again. sanitex

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Offline trai

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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2008, 01:49:55 PM »
This topic reminded of a line I saw in a commercial from the Cancer Treament Centers of America.

"We ran lots of test and no where did I see an expiration date stamped...."

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Offline 100proofBrandy

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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2008, 02:07:33 PM »
Hon I could walk out my door today and get hit by a car. . . what Im saying is no one know when the end come do not worry about tomoorow... live in the moment... plan for the future but live in the day!!!! Rememeber YOU ARE NOT A STUDY you are a person and since when did people do the expected...  blow their minds and live to be 120 years old!!! I going to :)
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Offline positively_me

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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2008, 04:38:55 PM »
Crystal ball not included.  :)

Damn!  Here I thought mine was in the mail all this time....   :'(

I agree with living for today and remembering that there may be a tomorrow, but there is also something to be said about listening to the statistics.  Sometimes they can make you determined to not be one of them or they can rule your life if you let them. 

My theory is this...from the moment we take our first breath, we begin the process of dying.  Life is not about the first breath you take or the last breath, its about all the breaths in between.   :)
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Offline Winiroo

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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2008, 08:38:29 PM »
My theory is this...from the moment we take our first breath, we begin the process of dying.  Life is not about the first breath you take or the last breath, its about all the breaths in between.   :)

awwww  Now that was beautimous.



I've said once or twice in my life when asked what my life expectancy is that "I don't know. I lost my death clock. I have no intention of dying so I suppose I'll be an enigma and live forever"

Offline raveboijosh

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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2008, 08:47:57 PM »
Quote
The key to the study findings really are here btw:

The researchers predicted that a 20-year-old person starting ARV treatment between 1996 and 1999, the early years of combination ARV therapy, could be expected to live an additional 36 years, to the age of 56. This increased significantly, however, as time passed. A 20-year-old who started treatment between 2003 and 2005 was expected to live an additional 49 years, to the age of 69.

The average life expectancy for a 20-year-old who remains HIV negative, at least in industrialized nations, is an additional 60 years—with death occurring, on average, at the age of 80.


Please also remember that this is only a projection and not an exact determination of life span for any HIV+ individual.

Iggy!!!! I like your statement!
80's sound good to me! I really try not to think about any of that because yes anything could happen... I just try and picture living as long as I possibly can stand it!!!!!

Offline Jeff64

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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2008, 12:48:05 AM »
Who cares? Live every day as if it were your last!!

In the big picture, nothing matters.

Jeff

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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2008, 05:37:32 PM »
This happens when you live for too long:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZGh0UlRS28&feature=related
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Re: Life expectancy pls say your opinion
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2008, 05:46:44 PM »
Too late...I already have lived too long.
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