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Author Topic: Hillary will win Kentucky  (Read 10602 times)

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Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2008, 04:29:54 PM »
He sounds like a hypocritical, opportunistic ass. Defense of Marriage is the complete antithesis of libertarian philosophy as is being against choice.

Offline thunter34

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2008, 04:34:42 PM »
He sounds like a hypocritical, opportunistic ass. Defense of Marriage is the complete antithesis of libertarian philosophy as is being against choice.

As a Georgian, I am quite familiar with Barr.  And yes, he is.

Huh...typical:  "Defense of Marriage" from someone on his third wife.  What a "bizarre view of marriage".  Nearly all of these assholes who spout off about the "sanctity of marriage" are on wife # whatever (not counting whatever whores they are banging on the side).  Yet nearly all of the sheep bleating along with them remain stunningly (read:  willfully) silent about this glaring dissonance.
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Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #52 on: May 20, 2008, 04:41:44 PM »
Going on a tangent, I wish the California gay marriage decision had happened after the election. It is such a wedge issue and I hope it will not be as effective this time around.

Offline AndyArrow

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #53 on: May 20, 2008, 05:08:02 PM »
Yes, all politicians do change their positions from time to time, but I don't believe all politicians are the same.  I believe the Clintons (and it's a packaged deal) have some serious integrity issues.  They exemplify gutter politics.  As crazy and irrational as McCain is, I think I trust him more than I trust either Clinton, even if I agree with her policies more than his.  I don't think that because Obama voted for a state gas tax holiday but is now against a federal tax holiday makes him the same as Clinton.  I think a gas tax holiday is a foolish and short-sighted political gimmick that will hurt the US economy more than it helps it, so regardless of Obama's past state voting record I'm glad he's against it now!

As an aside, why do you believe Merkle would make a good EU President?

The gas tax holiday isn't designed as a long term solution.  It in fact would expire after summer.  It was merely to be set in place to achieve some short term relief for some at the very bottom of the economy.  Which is why Barack supported it repeatedly in Illinois when I lived in Chicago.

If you really believe that Barack Obama is so above board and different from other politicans you might be interested in reading in exactly how he was able to purchase his very large Georgian manor with the help of Chicago slumlord Tony Rezko who exploited the black community that Barack represented.


Angela Merkel was able to push through Germany involvemen in Afghanistan even though the Bundestag was heavily divided.

When Israel was attacked by Hezbollah in Lebanon she had the German Navy intervene on Israel's behalf to help end the conflict.

She has managed to push through Climage Change Policy in the EU reducing gas emissions by 20% by the year 2020.

She also got the member states to agree to increase renewable energy production by 20% by the year 2020.

These are just a few of the reasons I think she would make a good EU President.

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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #54 on: May 20, 2008, 06:00:29 PM »
No offense, but much of this is specific to Appalachia.  Not all of it, but it's struck me that it's at a much higher level in that area.  You can see it in the primary vote breakdown if you look at a county by county map spanning that entire area, and it goes all the way from down where you live up through Pennsylvania's center.

Maybe a better question to ask is why this type of thinking is so specific to that geographical area.

Adding on to this post of mine, here's a dkos posting that just went up with accompanying county-by-county maps showing what I'm referring to:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/20/162117/922/561/519120
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Offline Cliff

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #55 on: May 20, 2008, 06:03:41 PM »
The gas tax holiday isn't designed as a long term solution.  It in fact would expire after summer.  It was merely to be set in place to achieve some short term relief for some at the very bottom of the economy.  Which is why Barack supported it repeatedly in Illinois when I lived in Chicago.
It's a dumb policy.  It will at most save $25-30 (in total, for the entire summer).  That's not a relief to anyone, especially when gas prices could very well surge to $5 a gallon this summer.  And I'm not sure it will be a relief for the people who will lose their jobs after highway projects will go unfunded.  And this notion of a special tax on oil companies is a nonstarter and Clinton knows it.  She is pandering.  But I guess it worked.

High oil and gas prices is a long-term problem, but the debate is all about a short-term band-aid.   ???

If you really believe that Barack Obama is so above board and different from other politicans.
Where and when did I say that?  I did say that I probably trust crazy and irrational McCain (or just about any other major national politician) more than I trust Clinton.  But nothing about Obama being so above board and different from other politicians.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2008, 06:29:13 PM by Cliff »

Offline AndyArrow

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #56 on: May 20, 2008, 06:10:37 PM »
It's a dumb policy.  It will at most save $25-30 (in total, for the entire summer).  That's not a relief to anyone, especially when gas prices could very well surge to $5 a gallon this summer.  And I'm not sure it will be a relief for the people who will lose their jobs after highway projects will go unfunded.  

Since I drive more than 300 miles several times a month for medical coverage it will make a difference for me.  Clinton's policy was completely different from John McCain's in that hers funded the highway projects my taxing the windfall profits the engery companies are recieving. 

One of Barack Obama's key Indiana Campaign managers is a lobbiest for a large engery company who is against taxing these windfall profits.

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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2008, 06:15:29 PM »
huh?  One obscure campaign manager in Indiana (*cough*) coerced the impressionable Obama into this policy?  What meds are you today, dear?
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Offline AndyArrow

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #58 on: May 20, 2008, 06:35:37 PM »
huh?  One obscure campaign manager in Indiana (*cough*) coerced the impressionable Obama into this policy?  What meds are you today, dear?

I never said this is why Barack has changed his energy policy.  I'm simply stating who is helping manage his campaign.  Here are few more examples:

Barack Obama has a political machine funded and run by a standard Beltway group of lobbyists, P.R. consultants, and hangers-on. For the staff post of policy director he hired Karen Kornbluh, a senior aide to Robert Rubin when the latter, as head of the Treasury Department under Bill Clinton, was a chief advocate for NAFTA.

Obamaís top contributors are corporate law and lobbying firms (Kirkland & Ellis and Skadden, Arps, where four attorneys are fund-raisers for Obama as well as donors), Wall Street financial houses (Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase), and big Chicago interests (Henry Crown and Company, an investment firm that has stakes in industries ranging from telecommunications to defense). Obama immediately established a ďleadership PAC,Ē a vehicle through which a member of Congress can contribute to other politiciansí campaignsóand one that political reform groups generally view as a slush fund through which congressional leaders can evade campaign-finance rules while raising their own political profiles.

Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert had praised Obama for his efforts in helping win Illinois its $6.2 billion in the massive, earmarklarded 2005 transportation bill. (Illinoisís most extravagant project funded by the bill was the Prairie Parkway, a controversial regional highway that would run through Hastertís district and, in fact, has significantly increased the value of real estate he owns along the proposed route.)

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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #59 on: May 20, 2008, 06:43:27 PM »
I have no clue what point your trying to make with that drivel.  It's also proper netiquette to source any claims one makes.
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Offline AndyArrow

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #60 on: May 20, 2008, 06:47:42 PM »
You are the one who brought the idea of one obscure campaign manager changing Barack's positions. 

I'm stating that he has many lobbyists working for and advising his campaign just like a typical politican.
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #61 on: May 20, 2008, 07:01:45 PM »
You are the one who brought the idea of one obscure campaign manager changing Barack's positions. 

I'm stating that he has many lobbyists working for and advising his campaign just like a typical politican.

Well, of course he does -- but you are making insinuations that he's offering the some quid pro quo so pony up and prove it. 
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Offline BT65

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #62 on: May 20, 2008, 07:11:08 PM »
In other words Andy, provide links that would make true these claims.
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Offline AndyArrow

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #63 on: May 20, 2008, 07:12:05 PM »
I made no such insinuations ... you inferred on your own.

This started as my simply stating Hillary will Kentucky (which she has) why not just point out that in all likelihood Barack will win Oregon and get even closer to the nomination?!   :)

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #64 on: May 20, 2008, 07:15:45 PM »
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Offline AndyArrow

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #65 on: May 20, 2008, 07:20:25 PM »
Old Latin Saying

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #66 on: May 20, 2008, 07:53:58 PM »
SUCH devoted Democrats!

source

In Kentucky, just 33 percent of Clinton voters said they would back Obama in the general election if he is the Democratic nominee - 41 percent said they will vote for McCain, and another 23 percent say they won't vote.

compared with:

Oregon voters felt differently on that question, according to the exit poll. A majority of Clinton and Obama voters in the state would be satisfied if their opponent got the nomination. And 68 percent of Clinton voters say they will back Obama in the general election if he is the nominee and 80 percent of Obama voters say they will back Clinton in the general election.
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Offline thunter34

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #67 on: May 20, 2008, 08:02:57 PM »
I made no such insinuations ... you inferred on your own.


And that was exactly the intention.  Come on, Andy.  It was quite clear what you were trying to suggest in your post above.  You were framing it to make an insinuation of palm greasing.  Own up to it.
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Offline AndyArrow

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #68 on: May 20, 2008, 08:12:42 PM »
My intention was NOT to insinuate "palm greasing".  It was to show how his campaign runs and operates. 

"His campaign is run by a standard group of beltway lobbyist"  Meaning they are all three run this way.

I have said that I voted for Hillary and if Barack is the nominee I will vote for him over John McCain but he is still just your typical politician and I think people need to remember that. 

They are all three cut from the same cloth.

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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #69 on: May 22, 2008, 08:42:43 PM »
Just for some appropriate closure about Kentucky:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=M8J9laUNgL4


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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #70 on: May 22, 2008, 09:57:37 PM »
The Daily Show: West Virginia Voters "No Interviews Please!"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk25Am6Jo0s
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Offline StrongGuy

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Re: Hillary will win Kentucky
« Reply #71 on: May 22, 2008, 10:33:13 PM »
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In Kentucky, just 33 percent of Clinton voters said they would back Obama in the general election if he is the Democratic nominee - 41 percent said they will vote for McCain, and another 23 percent say they won't vote.

That stat doesn't surpise me at all.

If we weren't just coming off of 8 years of Bush and McCain hadn't taken to hugging every Bush policy and was more centrist like he used to be, I wouldn't be voting for Obama either and would probably be fine just staying home. But I can't not vote for Obama because even though I like McCain personally much better than Obama, Obama will hopefully advocate policies more align with my beliefs.



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