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Author Topic: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes  (Read 5132 times)

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Offline Data Rider

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AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« on: April 18, 2008, 07:07:36 PM »
AIDS and leukemia are opposite diseases: AIDS is caused by
too few white blood cells, while leukemia and lymphoma are
caused by too many. With that in mind, consider the following
statistics from data-rider.org:

The 25 US states with the highest potato consumption rates have
an AIDS rate 117% lower than the other 25 states. The odds of
that happening by chance are about 7752 to 1 against.

Those states also have a leukemia rate 7.5% higher with odds of about
762 to 1, and a lymphoma rate 8% higher with odds of about 708 to 1.

These numbers argue (but don't prove) that potatoes increase white blood
cell counts. Has anyone ever noticed this association before? If not, I'd
like to see a doctor prove or disprove the hypothesis with some blood testing.
Potatoes might actually be a treatment for AIDS, and a contraindicated food
for leukemia and lymphoma.

The web site mentioned above is a unfocused health study that found this
association by serendipity among the 9000+ associations measured. It also
found a strong association between AIDS and sunburns, and a few other factors.

Offline BT65

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2008, 07:11:29 PM »
So you're saying eating potatoes cures Aids?  And that sunburns cause Aids?  This is so foolish.
I've never killed anyone, but I frequently get satisfaction reading the obituary notices.-Clarence Darrow

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2008, 07:16:32 PM »
Let's go out for french fries Betty !

I love potatoes!   :-*
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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2008, 07:17:34 PM »
Let's go out for french fries Betty !

I love potatoes!   :-*

OK Alan.  I've been craving some bbq with steak fries. Mmmm.
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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2008, 07:19:54 PM »
Data Rider, welcome to the AIDSmeds forums.
"Iíve slept with enough men to know that Iím not gay"

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2008, 07:26:06 PM »
 I wish this were true about potatoes , maybe then my doctor who treats me for diabetes will get off my back for my love of the spuds cooked any way I can get them .

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2008, 07:30:37 PM »
I wish this were true about potatoes , maybe then my doctor who treats me for diabetes will get off my back for my love of the spuds cooked any way I can get them .

Jg, would you like to come with Alan and I for our major potato binge?
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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2008, 08:14:32 PM »
 I'll be there before you can say Yukon gold

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2008, 08:16:51 PM »
Oh dear God, please make this be true!  French fries, home fries, hash browns -- I'll be cured in a week!
...................VL.....CD4.....%
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08/10-- ......<40.....290.....42
05/10-- ......<48.....290.....46
02/10-- ......<48.....481.....44
10/09-- ......<48.....277.....46
07/09-- ......<48.....300.....38
05/09-- ........51.....449.....39
03/09-- Added Isentress
02/09-- ........65.....299.....34
11/08-- ........62.....242.....40
08/08-- ........66.....212.....29
05/08-- ......202.....217.....27
03/08-- ....5210.....187.....21
02/08-- Began Truvada/Reyataz/Norvir
12/07-- 273,000.....157.....22
11/07-- 229,000.....209.....22
10/07-- Diagnosis

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2008, 08:20:08 PM »
 With my luck if the potato is the cure , it will only work as a suppository

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2008, 08:26:24 PM »
And this is a bad thing how?

MtD

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2008, 08:28:39 PM »
So you're saying eating potatoes cures Aids?  And that sunburns cause Aids?  This is so foolish.

I didn't say that at all.

I said that the statistics argue that potatoes increase white cell counts.
Many chemicals do that, so why couldn't one of them be found in potatoes?

All I know for sure is that there's a very strong connection, and I suggest a
simple experiment to find out.

Open your mind...


Offline Data Rider

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2008, 08:34:14 PM »
And this is a bad thing how?

MtD

Why are people here putting words in my mouth?

I didn't say anything was bad. In fact, if proven that potatoes
increase white cell counts, it would be good news for both
leukemia and AIDS patients. For now its just a hypothesis
suggested by the statistics.

Offline thunter34

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2008, 08:36:42 PM »
Why are people here putting words in my mouth?


He wasn't talking about you.  He was talking about potatoes as suppositories...which I whole heartedly endorse.

But I must say...with his love of tater tots, philly should have never needed Fuzeon.
AIDS isn't for sissies.

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2008, 08:40:16 PM »
Zackly.

DRider, I wasn't putting words in your mouth, rather I was focusing on putting potatoes in Jg's butt.

:)

MtD

Offline Data Rider

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2008, 08:43:22 PM »
So you're saying eating potatoes cures Aids?  And that sunburns cause Aids?  This is so foolish.

Actually,the association is in the same direction for both potatoes and sunburns.

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2008, 08:44:07 PM »
Why are people here putting words in my mouth?

I didn't say anything was bad. In fact, if proven that potatoes
increase white cell counts, it would be good news for both
leukemia and AIDS patients. For now its just a hypothesis
suggested by the statistics.


And, if I may ask, what is your personal interest in all this? Are you hiv positive yourself or are you just a potato shill?

We're all wondering...

Ann
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Offline Data Rider

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2008, 08:45:09 PM »
Zackly.

DRider, I wasn't putting words in your mouth, rather I was focusing on putting potatoes in Jg's butt.

:)

MtD

OK, I haven't figured-out how to tell who's talking to who yet...

Offline Data Rider

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2008, 08:46:27 PM »
And, if I may ask, what is your personal interest in all this? Are you hiv positive yourself or are you just a potato shill?

We're all wondering...

Ann


Why is that relevant Ann?

Your post suggests that you're going to attack me if I'm not HIV positive.


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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2008, 08:52:52 PM »
 Wow ...I walked away from computer to eat my chinese take out and missed the tater war of 08 .

Offline thunter34

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2008, 08:55:43 PM »
yeah, well...they're still hashing it out right now.

but it might get messy yet, so you might wanna keep this one away from the tots.

it might not be safe for their eyes.

(still here all week, folks)
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Offline Jeff G

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2008, 08:56:55 PM »
 ;D

Offline thunter34

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2008, 08:57:53 PM »
if there's anything i like more than potatos, it's corn.


zing!
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Offline aliveinla

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2008, 08:58:26 PM »
Now i know why I have a low white cell count to start with! I grew up in rural China eating corn and rice, very few potatoes. Heading to the grocery store right now!
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Offline Assurbanipal

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2008, 08:59:45 PM »
I didn't say that at all.

I said that the statistics argue that potatoes increase white cell counts.
Many chemicals do that, so why couldn't one of them be found in potatoes?

All I know for sure is that there's a very strong connection, and I suggest a
simple experiment to find out.

Open your mind...



Correlation tain't causation.  People argue -- statistics just are.

And what's the chance that if you look at 9000 different correlations you won't find some that look too good to be true or are due to separate unrelated items?

And

And

I wanna be an urban potato farmer













. . . but I do love tater tots. :)
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Offline thunter34

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2008, 09:03:58 PM »
i'm taking matty's suggestion and running with it.

or sitting on it, as the case may be.
AIDS isn't for sissies.

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2008, 09:07:07 PM »
 I want my mister potato head back

Offline Data Rider

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2008, 09:07:33 PM »
Correlation tain't causation.  People argue -- statistics just are.

And what's the chance that if you look at 9000 different correlations you won't find some that look too good to be true or are due to separate unrelated items?

As you say, and as I also say in the FAQ, there are bound to be some red herrings
among that many statistics. The reason the statics make a strong argument is because
the stats for both AIDS and the two cancers are both strong and consistant with what
would be logical if potatoes increase white cell counts.

And yes, statistics do argue. They just don't prove.

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2008, 09:11:05 PM »
I want my mister potato head back

omg... I used to love mine

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2008, 09:12:28 PM »
Why is that relevant Ann?

Your post suggests that you're going to attack me if I'm not HIV positive.



It's relevant because this is a forum for hiv positive people. If you aren't hiv positive yourself or caring for a loved one who is, then quite frankly, you've got no business here.

Have you bothered to read our Welcome Thread?

Potatoes? I hope you're just naive.

Ann
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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Offline BlueMoon

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2008, 09:14:32 PM »
As you say, and as I also say in the FAQ, there are bound to be some red herrings
among that many statistics. The reason the statics make a strong argument is because
the stats for both AIDS and the two cancers are both strong and consistant with what
would be logical if potatoes increase white cell counts.

And yes, statistics do argue. They just don't prove.


The argument does seem half-baked though.   
...................VL.....CD4.....%
-----------------------------------------
08/10-- ......<40.....290.....42
05/10-- ......<48.....290.....46
02/10-- ......<48.....481.....44
10/09-- ......<48.....277.....46
07/09-- ......<48.....300.....38
05/09-- ........51.....449.....39
03/09-- Added Isentress
02/09-- ........65.....299.....34
11/08-- ........62.....242.....40
08/08-- ........66.....212.....29
05/08-- ......202.....217.....27
03/08-- ....5210.....187.....21
02/08-- Began Truvada/Reyataz/Norvir
12/07-- 273,000.....157.....22
11/07-- 229,000.....209.....22
10/07-- Diagnosis

It's a complex world.

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2008, 09:16:35 PM »
Potatoes? I hope you're just naive.



Hmpfh.  I think he's fried.
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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2008, 09:19:03 PM »
It's relevant because this is a forum for hiv positive people. If you aren't hiv positive yourself or caring for a loved one who is, then quite frankly, you've got no business here.

Have you bothered to read our Welcome Thread?

Potatoes? I hope you're just naive.

Ann


In fact I did read the message.

Do you demand an answer to that question?
Do you demand it of everyone?

Am I HIV positive or a "SHILL?"

Why are you on the attack path?

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2008, 09:19:34 PM »
What is going on here? :o I feel confused after all this lashing out about potatoes. ??? I better go buy a baked potatoe with cheese and broccolli to see if I can clear things up here in my head...
Catman

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2008, 09:20:50 PM »
 speaking of tater therapy , rondrond pm ' d me today for my tater tot casserole recipe

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2008, 09:23:39 PM »
In fact I did read the message.

Do you demand an answer to that question?
Do you demand it of everyone?

Am I HIV positive or a "SHILL?"

Why are you on the attack path?


And away we go!

Ann is a moderator and is perfectly within her right to ask.

And I think, yes...it does typically get asked of people who post in LW.

(And experience has taught that if they won't say, the answer's "NO".)

AIDS isn't for sissies.

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2008, 09:24:55 PM »
What is going on here? :o I feel confused after all this lashing out about potatoes. ??? I better go buy a baked potatoe with cheese and broccolli to see if I can clear things up here in my head...

I know!  It started simply enough.

But now it's filled with loaded  questions.
AIDS isn't for sissies.

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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2008, 09:25:37 PM »
In fact I did read the message.

Do you demand an answer to that question?
Do you demand it of everyone?

Am I HIV positive or a "SHILL?"

Why are you on the attack path?


I'm on what you call the "attack path" because I've been around the block enough times to recognise a potential internet troll when I see one.

I'm putting a temporary ban on your account until this can be discussed with the other moderators. I don't have the time or inclination to sit up and babysit you all night.

Ann
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Re: AIDS, Leukemia and Potatoes
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2008, 09:28:09 PM »
I know!  It started simply enough.

But now it's filled with loaded  questions.
Good heavens! If my combo brings a loaded potatoe like this I'll need a box of Pepcid! :-X
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