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Offline NLEWLAD

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HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« on: April 11, 2008, 05:45:10 PM »
WHY OH WHY

do i find that there are lots and lots of hiv poz men that dont look after there bodys?

since i became poz i took a good look at myself, joined a gym went on a good diet, i am now fit healthy and never felt better.

come on boiz lets get fit together
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13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
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05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
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Offline antibody

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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2008, 07:45:16 PM »
yeah my roommate does nothing about his hiv, me on the other hand take my meds every day and try to eat right and get enough sleep. i also quit drinking and smoking a few years back. i don't really know how to get through to him. i've tried to be a good example but i just don't think he cares about himself?
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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2008, 09:51:46 PM »
Well some of us pozzies who don't take care of our bodies have high metabolism. *flips hair*
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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2008, 10:07:26 PM »
I exercise.

I am careful about my diet, aside from one yogurt I allow myself once a week.

I take two anti-cholesterol drugs and 6,000 milligrams of fish oil each day.

I don't drug and rarely drink.

I'm boring as hell.

No wonder I haven't had a date in a while, or even sex. ::)

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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2008, 10:47:46 PM »
Sometimes,

no matter how much you exercise
no matter how healthy you eat
no matter how adherent you are with meds
now matter how at peace with your virus you are

You still might not look "healthy"




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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2008, 11:06:26 PM »
I'm about to make a root beer float.  Shoot me.  Quickly.
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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2008, 11:16:32 PM »
I'm about to make a root beer float.  Shoot me.  Quickly.

omg that sounds awesome...brb

shit  I have the ice cream, not the rootbeer.....wait I have vodka , will that work?  mmmm

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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2008, 11:18:38 PM »
I'm about to make a root beer float.  Shoot me.  Quickly.

OMG I haven't had a rootbeer float in YEARS.

No wonder my teeth don't hurt.

A&W anyone?

They don't do rootbeer on this side of the quagmire.
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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2008, 11:21:42 PM »
Yeah, I'd not had one in eons myself and it suddenly popped into my head the other day, so I went to the supermarket and bought a six-pack of A&W and a large container of Turkey Hill vanilla ice cream = DELISH
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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2008, 11:24:38 PM »
http://www.yumsugar.com/494813

but I do love the non-alcoholic ones

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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2008, 11:33:01 PM »
uh... gay beverage
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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2008, 12:00:33 AM »
I'm about to make a root beer float.  Shoot me.  Quickly.

Wow -- I had a root beer float Thursday afternoon, after coming back from my
doctor's.  Before that, I'm sure it's been years since I've had one.

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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2008, 12:06:11 AM »
WHY OH WHY

do i find that there are lots and lots of hiv poz men that dont look after there bodys?

since i became poz i took a good look at myself, joined a gym went on a good diet, i am now fit healthy and never felt better.

come on boiz lets get fit together

How do you know these "lots and lots" of poz men aren't working to take care
of their bodies?  Are you judging just based on outward appearances?  Looks
can be deceiving, especially when one has HIV. 

And, moreover, what business is it of yours what others do with their bodies?

Regards,

Henry
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     The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love."
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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2008, 12:17:16 AM »

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« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2008, 01:26:13 AM »
lovely!
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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2008, 02:17:14 AM »
after an 11 hour day away from home i'm exhausted its not easy then to say i'm full of energy lets go to the gym.  I watch what i eat , i walk 20 minutes a day use the stairs instead of the lift , but fitting everything in with a busy working life is not easy.

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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2008, 03:16:42 AM »
WHY OH WHY

do i find that there are lots and lots of hiv poz men that dont look after there bodys?

since i became poz i took a good look at myself, joined a gym went on a good diet, i am now fit healthy and never felt better.

come on boiz lets get fit together

Good for you. There's still a long road ahead.

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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2008, 05:05:15 AM »
cos maybe they're depressed
or they have to pay for treatment and cant afford the gym
or work long hours and have no time
or dont feel well enough to work out
or have side effects and dont want to crap themselves in the middle of a workout
or have lipoatrophy which makes them have a big belly even if they work out all day every day
or have PN and can barely walk let alone excercise
or feel miserable around healthy athletic people
or have other things going on that are not hiv related like taking care of parents

and probabaly a bunch of other reasons i couldnt think of right now



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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2008, 05:38:31 AM »
One mens meat is another men's poison. Going to the gym and a good diet can work for others but to some it can be a killer than the virus itself.  Some people dont take care of themselves not by choice but circumstances around them.  I swear by Ben & Gerrys ice cream when I am stressed not because I dont know the amount of calories in it or because I want to be unhealth, its something I love. 

For those who can take care of themselves keep it up, but to some of us who have issues in achieving it I raise a glass to them, Cheers
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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2008, 07:08:33 AM »
 :-\

Sadly and unfortunately, there is a large population of people out there,( male and female) that don't know how to take care of themselves whether they are HIV positive or not ! Just look around...

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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2008, 07:24:03 AM »
I'm about to make a root beer float.  Shoot me.  Quickly.

That sounds sooooooo good; I don't care that it's early in the morning. 

I think most people look after themselves the best they can at any given moment.  That's just my opinion.  Hard to break old habits and all that.
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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2008, 07:55:58 AM »
since i became poz i took a good look at myself,
Which was only like 3 or 4 months ago!  LOL

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come on boiz lets get fit together

Fair point, though it's a message for everyone not just positive people or positive boiz (er men).

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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2008, 08:09:30 AM »
 Lots of people fall into a unhealthy lifestyle . my two best friends who are partnerd and neg. have set in they're recliners and ate ice cream for 25 years to the point where they both have major health issues . When I visit  , I mow grass , clean out the gutters and sometimes clean the house. I tease them that things must be pretty bad when you have to get a guy with aids to come over and do your chores .

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« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2008, 08:35:21 AM »
cos maybe they're depressed
or they have to pay for treatment and cant afford the gym
or work long hours and have no time
or dont feel well enough to work out
or have side effects and dont want to crap themselves in the middle of a workout
or have lipoatrophy which makes them have a big belly even if they work out all day every day
or have PN and can barely walk let alone excercise
or feel miserable around healthy athletic people
or have other things going on that are not hiv related like taking care of parents

and probabaly a bunch of other reasons i couldnt think of right now

I agree with this post. You don't know what's going on in other people's lives. I went to the gym every day before being diagnosed, and thought that I was taking care of myself. I wasn't. Since then I've been depressed, poor, felt sick, felt miserable around other unthinkingly healthy people and it's all had an effect. Two years after diagnosis I'm gradually getting back to it. But you have to give people time, space and opportunity. Not everybody has that.

The other thing I'd like to point out is that even in the West HIV is a disease of people who are marginalized, stigmatized, poorer, more likely to have substance abuse problems, more likely to suffer from mental illness. HIV compounds all of those problems and makes them worse - and you want to know why they're not all on a treadmill?

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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2008, 09:19:12 AM »
There are of course all sorts of reasons why people - positive or negative - might not want to hit the gym. As others have said, it might be because they can't afford it, have side effects, can't fit it in around work etc. But I think what Simon was driving at is that there are some people who, following their diagnosis, go into a downward self-destructive spiral, probably because of the psychological impact of their diagnosis.

I have a friend who has done just that. Since his diagnosis, he has been hitting the drugs way too hard, partying too hard, has lost about half his body weight and been hospitalised three times. And it's not like his numbers are particularly bad, he's just not taking good care of himself. I think it's the "what the Hell, the worst has happened, I may as well go out with a bang" mentality. I also have a couple of friends who are now about twice the weight they used to be; at first they tried blaming it on lipo, but since they've been assured by their doc that it isn't lipo, the real reason is because they've spent the last few years sitting on their arses in front of the TV eating cake. Of course, if that's what makes them happy, great; but they're not happy about it. They spend a lot of time complaining that they're "too fat to go out" but won't (not can't) do anything about it.

Mitigating factors aside, I find it hard to understand anyone *not* wanting to take extra care of themselves post diagnosis, especially if they are - all things considered - perfectly able to do so. Personally I took it as a wake up call 'cos I was determined I wasn't going to let HIV get the edge over me. I did join a gym (after getting my side effects under control) and am now fitter and healthier than I've ever been. But there does seem to be a culture in the UK at the moment of not looking after oneself, whether positive or not. Just look at the number of obese kids we have, though that's hardly surprising considering that most kids' idea of a good time seems to be sitting in front of a Playstation with a Big Mac and large fries.

By the way - what is a "root beer float" anyway? :-)

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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2008, 09:23:04 AM »
Oops, hit the wrong button!  ::)
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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2008, 10:06:54 AM »
Carl, a rootbeer float is simply rootbear (preferably A&W) with vanilla ice cream (preferably vanilla bean) in it.
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« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2008, 10:07:29 AM »
Root beer is nasty.
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« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2008, 10:30:43 AM »
Carl, a rootbeer float is simply rootbear (preferably A&W) with vanilla ice cream (preferably vanilla bean) in it.

Thanks for the info Bettytacy - can't say I've had it, I don't think we have it over here. Sounds like a cross between Cola and Dr Pepper. I have heard of cream soda with ice cream, though.  Very sinful... ;D

To follow up on my previous post, and Simon's original point, I would just like to point out that taking regular exercise doesn't mean having to turn into a gym rat. You can increase the amount of exercise you do at no financial cost by making a few simple lifestyle changes such as choosing to leave the car at home for short journeys, or taking the stairs instead of the lift/elevator (assuming you're physically able to do so). Our bodies need exercise like they need food, water and sleep. Without it, muscles atrophy, bones and joints weaken, blood pressure goes up etc.

If we're to believe what we're being told (i.e. that we're all going to live near-n ormal lifespans), then we're going to need these bodies for a considerable time yet. so we might as well get used to the idea of looking after them.

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Re: HIV POZ LADS WHO DONT LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES????????
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2008, 10:46:04 AM »

or have lipoatrophy which makes them have a big belly even if they work out all day every day
or have PN and can barely walk let alone excercise

THANK YOU

You know, my lipo is so fucking bad on my ass that even sitting for 2 minutes on a gym bicycle thingie is painful... seriously.  And before you pipe up about something you obviously know nothing about,  NLEWLAD, no -- doing squats won't bring back anything there.  It's fat distribution issues, not lean muscle mass.  My muscle/fat index thingie actually comes up optimal when I've gone to the nutritionoist.

I used to go to the gym religiously 5 days/week years ago.  Once lipo hit I figure what's the point.  You do all of that working out and you still look like shit.  And yeah -- it's fucking depressing so I just don't bother.  Screw it.
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« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2008, 10:48:44 AM »
Root beer is nasty.

Clutch the pearls!  I'm going to have to ban you!  Do you hate Dr. Pepper too?
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« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2008, 11:01:43 AM »
Clutch the pearls!  I'm going to have to ban you!  Do you hate Dr. Pepper too?

she mainlines dr. pepper

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« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2008, 11:09:00 AM »
I rarely drink root beer -- but it's kind of required for a float.  Dr. Pepper is my main love, though I quite enjoy Coca Cola Classic too.

I'm not one of those people who regularly stock sodas in my fridge though.  Gets too pricey, and I over spend on coffee as it is.
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« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2008, 11:21:18 AM »
I *do* like Dr. Pepper.  Root beer is nasty cuz it has that licorice type flavor.  I cannot STAND licorice or chicory (that nasty crap they put in coffee sometimes). 

Actually, I'm a big fruit juice drinker.  Have to be careful with those, as even they frequently have a lot of added sugar - but I can seriously gulp down some juice.

Oh, and regarding the topic here:  My biggest deterrent to working out over the last couple of years has been that I have felt too damn tired all the time to do it.  That's changing bigtime now that I am on a different combo, but it was no joke before. 

Hmm....another evil influence of the cursed FITLADS mentality rises again?

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« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2008, 11:55:55 AM »
Once lipo hit I figure what's the point.  You do all of that working out and you still look like shit.  And yeah -- it's fucking depressing so I just don't bother.  Screw it.

Well, if the object of the exercise (no pun intended!) is to attain the "body beautiful" then I suspect that particular ship may have sailed for many of us, and at my age I freely include myself in that. But I think it's more to do with "keeping fit" rather than "looking fit,"  though I can see where you're coming from.

Exercise of benefit for lipodystrophy:
http://www.aidsmap.com/en/news/2715073A-E51E-45B2-9F5A-DC20F12E9035.asp

Lipodystrophy: exercise as a therapeutic intervention:
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/326/7384/337

http://www.tufts.edu/med/nutrition-infection/hiv/health_lipo.html

And before you pipe up about something you obviously know nothing about,  NLEWLAD, no -- doing squats won't bring back anything there.  It's fat distribution issues, not lean muscle mass. 

Hmm. You know, since Simon started this thread he hasn't actually responded to any of the points that have been raised here. Perhaps we ought to extend him the courtesy of waiting for his response before ripping into him about something we think he might be about to say?

Just a thought.

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« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2008, 12:17:41 PM »
I have 6 comments...

You'd be surprised walking down Canal St/Old Compton St/some other queer main drag how many of them buff boys is HIV-positive.

Having the virus is both motivating and demotivating in terms of being healthy. Motivation to keep fit changes for HIV-positive people from time to time (just like HIV-negative people).

Not all us HIV-positive folk is lads

You might have a six-pack with fat redistribution (like a friend of mine), but this probably is (A)  a side effect of the weights/cardio to stave off heart disease (B) a side effect of the lipo ripping the fat off (C) not an enhancement of your David-Beckham-does-Armarni-£30-skids pulling power.

Not enough time and money goes into our cardiovascular health. This is probably the biggest long-term health issue once the virus is under control, and the meds don't help. Yes, we may be able to get off or arses ourselves and star training, but does anyone really mention CV health in a big way so we know why to get off our arses...?

But mostly, good on you for hitting the gym

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« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2008, 01:07:08 PM »
My doctor repeatedly mentions CV health actually.  I'm seriously contemplating joining the filthy little neighborhood gym (forget the name) as it's only a 7 block walk from my luxurious ghetto penthouse.  Plus I think mostly straight Italian boys go there, so I'll be entertained.  I don't think a membership there is that pricey, but generally gym memberships ARE expensive, and of course many HIVers in the US are not well off.  My gym membership in NYC was easily $90/month IIRC.  But yeah, I was in top shape for the first 10 years of my diagnosis.  Shit can change quickly though... no denying that.  Until I recuperated with Fuzeon 18 months ago there was just no way I could handle being in a gym.

So yes folks, go to the gym while you're actually physically able to, AND if you can afford it.  Right now I have some lil' free weights sitting in the corner looking at me, and I get some serious CV walking up and down 4 flights of stairs every day... plus I don't own a car so I walk every where.  A lard ass I am not, though I could stand to lose 10 lbs -- but really that's quite easily achievable.

Thanks for the guilt trip thread though.  Always a joy.
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« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2008, 01:18:22 PM »
Thanks for the guilt trip thread though.  Always a joy.

If it makes you feel any better I just baked some brownies and had two fried eggs and biscuits for brekkie. I'm off to the store right now for beer and charcoal, I'll be firing up the grill later.


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« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2008, 01:28:31 PM »
Thanks for the guilt trip thread though.  Always a joy.

If it makes you feel any better I just baked some brownies and had two fried eggs and biscuits for brekkie. I'm off to the store right now for beer and charcoal, I'll be firing up the grill later.

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« Reply #40 on: April 12, 2008, 01:32:31 PM »
Thanks for the guilt trip thread though.  Always a joy.

If it makes you feel any better I just baked some brownies and had two fried eggs and biscuits for brekkie. I'm off to the store right now for beer and charcoal, I'll be firing up the grill later.



Bitch please.  I had tater tots for breakfast, with ketchup.  I actually have some Ghirardelli Ultimate Fudge brownie mix in the kitchen.  Maybe I'll make some today -- thanks for the reminder.

I got out two pork chops from my freezer that my mother sent back with me, and I have a box of Goya arroz con habichuelas coloradas that I'll make with it, and perhaps a salad of mixed organic field greens, whole grain croutons and caesar dressing.

Oh, and another float FOR SURE.  I still have 3 more cans of A&W.
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« Reply #41 on: April 12, 2008, 01:38:14 PM »
Bitch please.  I had tater tots for breakfast, with ketchup.  I actually have some Ghirardelli Ultimate Fudge brownie mix in the kitchen.  Maybe I'll make some today -- thanks for the reminder.


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« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2008, 01:43:21 PM »
Philly and Dachshund - you are both beyond redemption!  ;D

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« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2008, 01:44:22 PM »
Sometimes people become depressed. It is difficult sometimes to workout and take care of oneself. I workout but have a serious problem wanting french fries all the time! I crave junk food.  :)

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« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2008, 01:45:16 PM »
  I just got off the treadmill . Now I'm gonna make chicken fried steak and gravy with mashed taters and peas . After I take lovastatin for my cholesterol of course .

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« Reply #45 on: April 12, 2008, 01:51:03 PM »
omg I LOVE CHICKEN FRIED STEAK.  I've not made that in years.  I'm not a very good gravy maker -- but *HELLO* talk about fattening.  I was raised on all of that stuff.  EVERYTHING had gravy on it.

And Timberly, you know full well that it's the rare day that Philicia eats tater tots for breakfast.  My diet is actually quite good, and I can cook the pants off most any Sodomite.
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« Reply #46 on: April 12, 2008, 01:56:56 PM »
Bitch please.  I had tater tots for breakfast, with ketchup.  I actually have some Ghirardelli Ultimate Fudge brownie mix in the kitchen.  Maybe I'll make some today -- thanks for the reminder.


Whatever. I'm wrapping half a slice of a Kraft pasteurized process american cheese single around a sourdough hard pretzel and giving the other half of the slice to Sam.

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« Reply #47 on: April 12, 2008, 02:02:24 PM »
half a slice of a Kraft cheese food single around a sourdough hard pretzel and giving the other half of the slice to Sam.

fixed
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« Reply #48 on: April 12, 2008, 02:17:34 PM »
Bitch please.  I had tater tots for breakfast, with ketchup.  I actually have some Ghirardelli Ultimate Fudge brownie mix in the kitchen.  Maybe I'll make some today -- thanks for the reminder.


Whatever. I'm wrapping half a slice of a Kraft pasteurized process American cheese single around a sourdough hard pretzel and giving the other half of the slice to Sam.

now it is



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« Reply #49 on: April 12, 2008, 02:23:04 PM »
That stuff is nasty.  I simply must insist on proper real cheese.  Always.

And don't forget this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_cheese
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« Reply #50 on: April 12, 2008, 02:28:30 PM »
I simply must insist on proper real cheese.  Always.


With a particular fondness for smegma, it has been noted.
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« Reply #51 on: April 12, 2008, 06:17:36 PM »
Philly and Dachshund - you are both beyond redemption!  ;D

Carl
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Some of us around here **love** child-bearing hips, doll.

With a particular fondness for smegma, it has been noted.

Smeg's where it's at, Timberly.

Seriously, though-

Like everything in my life, I did not consider half-way measures in my three experiences with the gym. It always seemed the better the results in some areas, the more blatant my flaws appeared in others. It turned out that obsessively attaining tight abs and perky pecs activated each and every one of my self-criticism switches until nothing was ever enough.

Stepping off that treadmill, figuratively and literally was, for me, healthier than my grim perfectionism.

As for the other stuff: I still smoke like a chimney. Aside from alcohol, the occasional (purloined) benzo, and copious quantities of unprotected sex, it's the only vice I have left.

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« Reply #52 on: April 12, 2008, 07:27:58 PM »
I love reading this thread about everybody watching what they eat or going off their normal diets.  I  guess with my problems, I'm lucky since at every doctor visit they encourage me to eat anything and everything I can.  They are alway so happy when I gain a pound or two. 

I never got the whole root beer float thing.  I'm much prefer a milkshake ... perferably mint (made with creme de menthe)

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« Reply #53 on: April 12, 2008, 07:36:59 PM »
Oh, are you in a wasting period dear?  Philicia's home remedy for that was Toll House chocolate chip cookie dough.  Don't bother baking more than half the cookies -- just east the dough.

Milkshakes are definitely good too.  And if you can afford it Myoplex protein shakes are quite helpful, and more nutritious.

Oh, and of course bi-monthly injections of Deca-Durabolin.  That last bit will make you super horny, so if you don't have a BF or fuck buddy you'll need to buy a really large dildo and a bottle of poppers.
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« Reply #54 on: April 12, 2008, 07:47:23 PM »
Thanks for the good laugh. 

No, I'm not in a wasting period.  Just my lousy esophagus closes and I can't eat real food when it does. 

When that happens I have to take my food through a tube and I often would just rather not.  Stupid yes, but that's how it is maybe it's a vanity thing.

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« Reply #55 on: April 12, 2008, 08:45:55 PM »
I have some absolutely fabulous government cheese in my frig now I'm thinking about getting into later.
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« Reply #56 on: April 12, 2008, 09:23:14 PM »
 How do you get government cheese ?  I thought you had to be a pregnant teenager  to get the good stuff

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« Reply #57 on: April 12, 2008, 10:25:06 PM »
How do you get government cheese ?  I thought you had to be a pregnant teenager  to get the good stuff

I got it from my ASO, who got if from the Indiana Food Bank.  It's absolutely delish.
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« Reply #58 on: April 12, 2008, 10:33:43 PM »
I got it from my ASO, who got if from the Indiana Food Bank.  It's absolutely delish.

I remember as a kid growing up, my mother getting the government cheese. I think she also used to get powdered milk and of course peanut butter. My father at that time was not that supportive.( five of us) I think in those days, it was given out at the local fire stations.

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« Reply #59 on: April 12, 2008, 10:52:58 PM »
This thread is beginning to reek of post-n-run
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« Reply #60 on: April 13, 2008, 01:47:01 AM »
This thread is beginning to reek of post-n-run

Maybe quiet suddenly he has become shy. 
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« Reply #61 on: April 13, 2008, 12:10:16 PM »
Quote Betty:
"I have some absolutely fabulous government cheese in my frig now I'm thinking about getting into later."
...............................
Hey Betty, That cheese makes the most wonderful macaroni and cheese!!  If you want my receipe PM me.

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« Reply #62 on: April 13, 2008, 12:49:40 PM »
I carried a 7.2lb bag of charcoal all the way from the supermarket to my car and from the car to the house. That should counter balance nicely the burgers, baked beans (homemade) and brownies I'll consume today. Did I mention I love track suits?

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« Reply #63 on: April 13, 2008, 12:54:02 PM »
I used to own a fab Sergio Tacchini tack suit back in the early 90's and put it on and show up at the club with a huge pair of those ghetto gold door knocker earrings and a baseball cap.  The queens would live.
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« Reply #64 on: April 13, 2008, 01:01:04 PM »
 I do my own version of binge and purge . I'm extremely good during the week with diet and exercise , then come Saturday and sunday I eat like a pig . I'm lucky that I have a high metabolism , I can eat what ever I want and not gain weight . The flip side is its taken a toll on my cholesterol and lipids over the years so now I have too run like a maniac on the treadmill just to keep my blood sugar down .

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« Reply #65 on: April 13, 2008, 01:32:07 PM »
The flip side is its taken a toll on my cholesterol and lipids over the years so now I have too run like a maniac on the treadmill just to keep my blood sugar down .

Honey, what does blood sugar have to do with cholesterol and triglycerides?  Are you a borderline diabetic as well?  Oh, FYI, I also exercise during the week to try to control my blood sugar; though I still have to take Insulin and pills (Glucophage).
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« Reply #66 on: April 13, 2008, 01:40:12 PM »
Honey, what does blood sugar have to do with cholesterol and triglycerides?  Are you a borderline diabetic as well?  Oh, FYI, I also exercise during the week to try to control my blood sugar; though I still have to take Insulin and pills (Glucophage).
     

      Yeah , I forgot to mention the fact I have type 2 diabetes . I take 3 metformin pills a day .       

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« Reply #67 on: April 13, 2008, 02:18:37 PM »
I tease them that things must be pretty bad when you have to get a guy with aids to come over and do your chores .
That is funny, but kinda sad!  I rake elderly yards around here for volunteer work and it makes me laugh when they comment how I could come and do thier yard when I have trip  lets at home, if they only knew what else I have  ;D
I have a hard time getting motivated to workout in the winter months, I am waiting for the rain to stop so I can get out and walk again, would rather go hiking but I don't have anyone to go with.
What exactly is chicken fried steak?
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« Reply #68 on: April 13, 2008, 03:06:04 PM »
Snowangel....Chicken fried steak is beef that has been tenderized by pounding it flat . You can buy it at the supermarket already tenderized . Its easy and quick to make . I soak mine in buttermilk for an hour , salt & pepper it , then roll it in flour . then just fry it in a shallow amount of hot oil . I then use the drippings to make brown gravy and put the friedsteak into the gravy to simmer for 5 minutes topped with green scallions .

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« Reply #69 on: April 13, 2008, 03:16:51 PM »
WANT
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« Reply #70 on: April 13, 2008, 03:22:10 PM »
WANT
   

 Come on over I got a batch all cooked up with garlic mashed taters and yeast rolls

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« Reply #71 on: April 13, 2008, 03:37:59 PM »
How do you know these "lots and lots" of poz men aren't working to take care
of their bodies?  Are you judging just based on outward appearances?  Looks
can be deceiving, especially when one has HIV. 

And, moreover, what business is it of yours what others do with their bodies?

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Henry,  call me superficial but yes 90% of the hiv poisitive gay men that i have come across are either obise or totally underweight due to not eating and taking recrenational drugs, 

i ant a bitch at all, i do look after myself go to the gym eat a very healthy diet and am 11.5 stone with a defined body, it would be good to meet another hiv poz lad that is into looking after himself

and its none of my business, but hey i live in a free country and am able to speak my mind and thoughts.

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24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
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« Reply #72 on: April 13, 2008, 03:39:59 PM »
ch all cooked up with garlic mashed taters

I hope you used one of these to make them.  It's a culinary pet peeve of mine.

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« Reply #73 on: April 13, 2008, 03:47:30 PM »
NLEWLAD,

Just curious...how old are you, and how long have you been positive?

I'm not trying to challange you here...I'm just curious about your perspective.

(Oops...looked up your profile...I see you're 33.  How long positive?  Are you on meds?  If so, how long have you been on meds?)
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« Reply #74 on: April 13, 2008, 03:53:50 PM »
Thanks, JG.  They sound yummy!
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« Reply #75 on: April 13, 2008, 04:04:49 PM »
NLEWLAD,

Just curious...how old are you, and how long have you been positive?

I'm not trying to challange you here...I'm just curious about your perspective.

(Oops...looked up your profile...I see you're 33.  How long positive?  Are you on meds?  If so, how long have you been on meds?)

am 33,been poz since december 07  all my results are in my signature ,  personally how long you have been poz should not come into acount for people just looking after themselves and trying to be the best they can.

and not on meds
Simon - Location Manchester England
Negative test 10/11/07
Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
Sero-converted Late December 07

Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

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« Reply #76 on: April 13, 2008, 04:19:46 PM »


Henry,  call me superficial but yes 90% of the hiv poisitive gay men that i have come across are either obise or totally underweight due to not eating and taking recrenational drugs, 

i ant a bitch at all, i do look after myself go to the gym eat a very healthy diet and am 11.5 stone with a defined body, it would be good to meet another hiv poz lad that is into looking after himself

and its none of my business, but hey i live in a free country and am able to speak my mind and thoughts.
90% of the positive men you meet are obese or underweight (due to drugs, naturally)!  I find that hard to believe.

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« Reply #77 on: April 13, 2008, 04:23:06 PM »
90% of the positive men you meet are obese or underweight (due to drugs, naturally)!  I find that hard to believe.

Cliff

And for the love of God, please try out the forum's spell check feature!

cliff you havent been round manchester obviously!

and sorry i failed english g.c.s.e
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Negative test 10/11/07
Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
Sero-converted Late December 07

Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

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« Reply #78 on: April 13, 2008, 04:26:33 PM »
There are of course all sorts of reasons why people - positive or negative - might not want to hit the gym. As others have said, it might be because they can't afford it, have side effects, can't fit it in around work etc. But I think what Simon was driving at is that there are some people who, following their diagnosis, go into a downward self-destructive spiral, probably because of the psychological impact of their diagnosis.

I have a friend who has done just that. Since his diagnosis, he has been hitting the drugs way too hard, partying too hard, has lost about half his body weight and been hospitalised three times. And it's not like his numbers are particularly bad, he's just not taking good care of himself. I think it's the "what the Hell, the worst has happened, I may as well go out with a bang" mentality. I also have a couple of friends who are now about twice the weight they used to be; at first they tried blaming it on lipo, but since they've been assured by their doc that it isn't lipo, the real reason is because they've spent the last few years sitting on their arses in front of the TV eating cake. Of course, if that's what makes them happy, great; but they're not happy about it. They spend a lot of time complaining that they're "too fat to go out" but won't (not can't) do anything about it.


Exactly what i ment  !!  :) ;)   btw did you have a good night last night?  ;D
Mitigating factors aside, I find it hard to understand anyone *not* wanting to take extra care of themselves post diagnosis, especially if they are - all things considered - perfectly able to do so. Personally I took it as a wake up call 'cos I was determined I wasn't going to let HIV get the edge over me. I did join a gym (after getting my side effects under control) and am now fitter and healthier than I've ever been. But there does seem to be a culture in the UK at the moment of not looking after oneself, whether positive or not. Just look at the number of obese kids we have, though that's hardly surprising considering that most kids' idea of a good time seems to be sitting in front of a Playstation with a Big Mac and large fries.

By the way - what is a "root beer float" anyway? :-)

Carl
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Negative test 10/11/07
Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
Sero-converted Late December 07

Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

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« Reply #79 on: April 13, 2008, 04:30:10 PM »
how much is 11.5 stone?

how much weight is a "stone" anyway?  southern US hillbillies wanna know.
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« Reply #80 on: April 13, 2008, 04:31:40 PM »
quote from bassman above

this is exactly what i mean,   why do poz gay men feel like they have a chip on there shoulder  either go round fucking everything that moves to infect or go into recluse get fat take drugs to get the infection out of there minds and end up looking dreadful

grab hiv by its balls and show it who is boss!!
Simon - Location Manchester England
Negative test 10/11/07
Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
Sero-converted Late December 07

Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

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« Reply #81 on: April 13, 2008, 04:32:31 PM »
A stone is 14 pounds.

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« Reply #82 on: April 13, 2008, 04:37:21 PM »
if you yankies use pounds why dont you use stones aswell :)))))))
Simon - Location Manchester England
Negative test 10/11/07
Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
Sero-converted Late December 07

Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

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« Reply #83 on: April 13, 2008, 05:03:11 PM »
southern US hillbillies wanna know.

Actually Simon just called you a Yankee.
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« Reply #84 on: April 13, 2008, 05:06:21 PM »
if you yankies use pounds why dont you use stones aswell :)))))))

Because when we kicked your tyrannical anti-republican (little "r" please) asses out of the colonies centuries ago we decided to do what we wanted, even if it made no sense.  It's the same reason we prefer coffee over tea, and call our Anglican churches Episcopalian.
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« Reply #85 on: April 13, 2008, 05:08:14 PM »
Actually Simon just called you a Yankee.

 yea yankie is the english term for our american friends 

dont forget the uk is defo the 52nd state of the usa  !!!
Simon - Location Manchester England
Negative test 10/11/07
Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
Sero-converted Late December 07

Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

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« Reply #86 on: April 13, 2008, 05:12:44 PM »
yea yankie is the english term for our american friends 

dont forget the uk is defo the 52nd state of the usa  !!!

Uh . . . is that a little bouquet for Canada or . . . ???
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« Reply #87 on: April 13, 2008, 05:14:35 PM »
hell no the uk is the biggest supporter of the us 

i would move to the us if i could but your governemnt has a little ban on hiv people entering

all the fit lads are yankies
Simon - Location Manchester England
Negative test 10/11/07
Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
Sero-converted Late December 07

Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

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« Reply #88 on: April 13, 2008, 05:15:39 PM »
yea yankie is the english term for our american friends 

dont forget the uk is defo the 52nd state of the usa  !!!

As long as you recognize your subservient position all is well.   But as a de facto American you should realize that only residents of the northeast are actually Yankees, like yours truly.
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« Reply #89 on: April 13, 2008, 05:21:51 PM »
this is exactly what i mean,   why do poz gay men feel like they have a chip on there shoulder  either go round fucking everything that moves to infect or go into recluse get fat take drugs to get the infection out of there minds and end up looking dreadful

adn the sweeping statement of the week award goes to...  ::)

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« Reply #90 on: April 13, 2008, 05:22:46 PM »
The word 'Yankee' (or just Yank as it's more commonly abbreviated to) is a term widely (albeit inaccurately) used by people from outside the US to refer to any US citizen. Most people using the term probably aren't aware of its connotations within the context of the American Civil War, and that a US citizen from the southern states might find it particularly odd to be referred to as a Yankee.

But we digress. This thread seems to be meandering a little.  ::)
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« Reply #91 on: April 13, 2008, 05:37:09 PM »
adn the sweeping statement of the week award goes to...  ::)


you!!!! ??? :P :-\
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Negative test 10/11/07
Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
Sero-converted Late December 07

Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

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« Reply #92 on: April 13, 2008, 05:42:49 PM »
I just finished the pan of brownies and am now a proud ninety percenter.

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« Reply #93 on: April 13, 2008, 05:49:33 PM »
oh forget it. pointless.

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« Reply #94 on: April 13, 2008, 05:59:12 PM »
My brownies just came out of the oven and are cooling.  I will soon grill a steak and eat it with a baked potato and lots of FATTENING  butter and sour cream.

Then I may watch some porn and jerk off.
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« Reply #95 on: April 13, 2008, 06:20:12 PM »
philly

nothing wrong with steak  - full of protein  good for building muscles  :)
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Negative test 10/11/07
Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
Sero-converted Late December 07

Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

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« Reply #96 on: April 13, 2008, 06:34:47 PM »
Indeed.  I just take care to indulge in a monthly "pamper Philicia day" ŗ la Lady Di and schedule a high colonic to clean out the lil' nasties.

When I get the 'blues,' I get on down to The Total Health Connection and get hooked up with a refreshing high colonic purge. Take it from me, Philicia Hilton, nothing restores the complexion, invigorates the mind, and cleanses the soul better than a king-size dump. That's why nearly two thirds of the celebrities in Hollywoodóbeautiful people like Brad Pitt, Jennifer Aniston, Tara Reid, Lindsay Lohan, and Kimberly Stewartórely on high colonics to keep them on the go.

Perhaps you're wondering just what this high colonic business is all about. Well, let me tell you, it's better than sex, and I should know. A high colonic is warm, wonderful, and entirely painlessóand best of all, you don't have to miss any important calls on your cell phone. Besides, it's quick. In no more than an hour you'll be back in your Mercedes, ready to hit Decades or The Gucci Store.
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« Reply #97 on: April 13, 2008, 06:38:32 PM »
philly are you talking about colonic irigation

have that every time i douche  :)
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Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
Sero-converted Late December 07

Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

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« Reply #98 on: April 13, 2008, 06:39:14 PM »
I just finished the pan of brownies and am now a proud ninety percenter.

Wonder how many stone Doxie is?  

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« Reply #99 on: April 13, 2008, 06:48:09 PM »
I want some brownies!  Damn, I never get anything I want.
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« Reply #100 on: April 13, 2008, 06:57:51 PM »
philly are you talking about colonic irigation

have that every time i douche  :)

No darling.  A high colonic goes "higher" than a mere douche. 
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« Reply #101 on: April 13, 2008, 11:52:16 PM »
You are all Yanks (or Sepos) to us.

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« Reply #102 on: April 14, 2008, 03:57:27 AM »
Fearless, sweetie, I think it might hit the fan when they find out what you mean by "sepos". ;D
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« Reply #103 on: April 14, 2008, 05:21:40 AM »
http://www.sepos.org

Nope, not that -- I don't think he was referring to orchids in Pennsylvania

ah, here we go:

1.   Sepo   
   
American. (Australian cockney rhyming slang.) From: Yank --> Tank --> Septic Tank.

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« Reply #104 on: April 14, 2008, 12:01:42 PM »
Penguin you took the words right out of my mouth.

I`ve lived outside the UK for 10 years now , if Newlad is anything to go by i'n not missing much

and no I don't sit in a corner getting fat , and the only drugs I take are what are prescribed oh and occasionally some smelling salts from a small brown bottle 

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« Reply #105 on: April 14, 2008, 12:03:00 PM »

notes stupid humor from nation of convicts in a land that's barely habitable and has hardly any oil

Wow, Philly, you sure have been saying stuff that bears repeating, lately.

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