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Author Topic: The Nearly Forgotten Plague  (Read 2524 times)

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Offline northernguy

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The Nearly Forgotten Plague
« on: March 16, 2008, 06:07:15 PM »
An interesting article from one of the newspapers here.  Bad news, and some good.  I expect the stories would be much the same in many cities in the Western world.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080315.BCAIDS15/TPStory/?query=aids
Apr 28/06 cd4 600 vl 10,600 cd% 25
Nov 8/09 cd4 510 vl 49,5000 cd% 16
Jan 16/10 cd4 660 vl 54,309 cd% 16
Feb 17/10 Started Atripla
Mar 7/10 cd4 710 vl 1,076 cd% 21
Apr 18/10 cd4 920 vl 268 cd% 28
Jun 19/10 cd4 450 vl 60 cd% 25
Aug 15/10 cd4 680 vl 205 cd% 27
Apr 3/11 cd4 780 vl <40 cd% 30
Jul 17/11 cd4 960 vl <40 cd%33
April 15/12 cd4 1,010 vl <40 cd% 39
April 20/12 Switched to Viramune + Truvada
Aug 2/12 cd4 1040, vl <40, cd% 38
Oct 19 cd4 1,110 vl <40 cd% 41

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Re: The Nearly Forgotten Plague
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2008, 10:21:15 PM »
I can't believe they equated having HIV with a 'plague.'  To me, that's offensive.

Edited to add:  yes, I remember when they used to call HIV/AIDS the 'gay plague.'  Disgusting.
I've never killed anyone, but I frequently get satisfaction reading the obituary notices.-Clarence Darrow

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Re: The Nearly Forgotten Plague
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2008, 09:19:58 AM »
I can't believe they equated having HIV with a 'plague.'  To me, that's offensive.


Um . . .
"plague n.-  1. An epidemic disease causing a high rate of mortality. . ."
5/06 VL 1M+, CD4 22, 5% , pneumonia, thrush -- O2 support 2 months, 6/06 +Kaletra/Truvada
9/06 VL 3959 CD4 297 13.5% 12/06 VL <400 CD4 350 15.2% +Pravachol
2007 VL<400, 70, 50 CD4 408-729 16.0% -19.7%
2008 VL UD CD4 468 - 538 16.7% - 24.6% Osteoporosis 11/08 doubled Pravachol, +Calcium/D
02/09 VL 100 CD4 616 23.7% 03/09 VL 130 5/09 VL 100 CD4 540 28.4% +Actonel (osteoporosis) 7/09 VL 130
8/09  new regimen Isentress/Epzicom 9/09 VL UD CD4 621 32.7% 11/09 VL UD CD4 607 26.4% swap Isentress for Prezista/Norvir 12/09 (liver and muscle issues) VL 50
2010 VL UD CD4 573-680 26.1% - 30.9% 12/10 VL 20
2011 VL UD-20 CD4 568-673 24.7%-30.6%
2012 VL UD swap Prezista/Norvir for Reyataz drop statin CD4 768-828 26.7%-30.7%

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Re: The Nearly Forgotten Plague
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2008, 09:33:04 AM »
Um . . .
"plague n.-  1. An epidemic disease causing a high rate of mortality. . ."

Uh, ok.  I can see the moral majority right now- 'the people who have the plague sent from God for their damning excursions.' Give me a break.  This give them (the right) too much room.
I've never killed anyone, but I frequently get satisfaction reading the obituary notices.-Clarence Darrow

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Re: The Nearly Forgotten Plague
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2008, 09:34:28 AM »
Um . . .
"plague n.-  1. An epidemic disease causing a high rate of mortality. . ."

Why did you post it that way?

Offline Assurbanipal

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Re: The Nearly Forgotten Plague
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2008, 09:44:58 AM »
Why did you post it that way?

It was a shorthand (probably too short reading back) way of saying that regardless of the way the word feels, the article used it in a way that met the word's primary definition.  And so we had best find a way to deal with it.

Apologies to Betty if it came across wrong  -- she's one of my favorite posters.

A
5/06 VL 1M+, CD4 22, 5% , pneumonia, thrush -- O2 support 2 months, 6/06 +Kaletra/Truvada
9/06 VL 3959 CD4 297 13.5% 12/06 VL <400 CD4 350 15.2% +Pravachol
2007 VL<400, 70, 50 CD4 408-729 16.0% -19.7%
2008 VL UD CD4 468 - 538 16.7% - 24.6% Osteoporosis 11/08 doubled Pravachol, +Calcium/D
02/09 VL 100 CD4 616 23.7% 03/09 VL 130 5/09 VL 100 CD4 540 28.4% +Actonel (osteoporosis) 7/09 VL 130
8/09  new regimen Isentress/Epzicom 9/09 VL UD CD4 621 32.7% 11/09 VL UD CD4 607 26.4% swap Isentress for Prezista/Norvir 12/09 (liver and muscle issues) VL 50
2010 VL UD CD4 573-680 26.1% - 30.9% 12/10 VL 20
2011 VL UD-20 CD4 568-673 24.7%-30.6%
2012 VL UD swap Prezista/Norvir for Reyataz drop statin CD4 768-828 26.7%-30.7%

Offline sharkdiver

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Re: The Nearly Forgotten Plague
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2008, 09:48:30 AM »
It was a shorthand (probably too short reading back) way of saying that regardless of the way the word feels, the article used it in a way that met the word's primary definition.  And so we had best find a way to deal with it.

Apologies to Betty if it came across wrong  -- she's one of my favorite posters.

A

yes, thinking before writing or speaking is something I am often guilty of not doing

Offline David_CA

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Re: The Nearly Forgotten Plague
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2008, 10:06:31 AM »
In my mind, the word 'plague' doesn't have anything at all do do with punishment.  I've also never heard of the 'Black Plague' relating to the wrath of God, etc.  When I think of a plague, I think of the 'Black Plague' and rats.

David
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03-23-06 CD4 359 @27.4% VL 75,938
06-01-06 CD4 462 @24.3% VL > 100,000
08-15-06 CD4 388 @22.8% VL >  "
10-21-06 CD4 285 @21.9% VL >  "
  Atripla started 12-01-2006
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05-08-07 CD4 478 @28.1% VL 740
08-03-07 CD4 509 @31.8% VL 370
11-06-07 CD4 570 @30.0% VL 140
02-21-08 CD4 648 @32.4% VL 600
05-19-08 CD4 695 @33.1% VL < 48 undetectable!
08-21-08 CD4 725 @34.5%
11-11-08 CD4 672 @39.5%
02-11-09 CD4 773 @36.8%
05-11-09 CD4 615 @36.2%
08-19-09 CD4 770 @38.5%
11-19-09 CD4 944 @33.7%
02-17-10 CD4 678 @39.9%  
06-03-10 CD4 768 @34.9%
09-21-10 CD4 685 @40.3%
01-10-11 CD4 908 @36.3%
05-23-11 CD4 846 @36.8% VL 80
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Re: The Nearly Forgotten Plague
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2008, 10:23:02 AM »
Apologies to Betty if it came across wrong  -- she's one of my favorite posters.

A

That's alright A.  I just remember the early days (obviously some don't).   No 'fence taken.
I've never killed anyone, but I frequently get satisfaction reading the obituary notices.-Clarence Darrow

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Re: The Nearly Forgotten Plague
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2008, 10:39:40 AM »
http://archives.cbc.ca/health/public_health/topic/413/

www.cwfa.org/articles/3245/CFI/cfreport/index.html

Edited to add:  the 'gay plague' name was given by the extreme right.  To use 'plague' again would just be re-opening a closed door that should remain shut.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2008, 10:44:16 AM by Bettytacy »
I've never killed anyone, but I frequently get satisfaction reading the obituary notices.-Clarence Darrow

Offline MarkB

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Re: The Nearly Forgotten Plague
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2008, 10:48:15 AM »
Quote
... osteoporosis, strokes, brittle diabetes, renal failures, cardiovascular troubles - conditions normally associated with older people - are showing up in AIDS patients ahead of their time.

For someone fairly recently diagnosed, that makes scary reading.

Aelwyd

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Re: The Nearly Forgotten Plague
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2008, 11:10:24 AM »
It was a shorthand (probably too short reading back) way of saying that regardless of the way the word feels, the article used it in a way that met the word's primary definition.  And so we had best find a way to deal with it.



The author uses another word on page 3 of the article that clearly illustrate his use of the word "Plague" :

"That means the epidemic is going to continue to grow,"



Offline BT65

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Re: The Nearly Forgotten Plague
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2008, 01:11:44 PM »
The author uses another word on page 3 of the article that clearly illustrate his use of the word "Plague" :

"That means the epidemic is going to continue to grow,"




But to even infer the word 'plague' when talking about HIV/AIDS opens up old wounds.  That's the point I'm trying to make.  Geesh.
I've never killed anyone, but I frequently get satisfaction reading the obituary notices.-Clarence Darrow

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Re: The Nearly Forgotten Plague
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2008, 02:12:12 PM »
In my mind, the word 'plague' doesn't have anything at all do do with punishment.  I've also never heard of the 'Black Plague' relating to the wrath of God, etc.  When I think of a plague, I think of the 'Black Plague' and rats.

David

I'm with David. I hear plague I think ring around the rosies pocket full of posies. Bubonic plague, the Middle Ages. 

If I thought enough about it I suppose I would think of polio <which my mother had> ebola, cholera, small pox, scarlet fever and HIV.
The word for me is synonymous with a catastrophic affliction not a judgement of behavior or human value.
I guess because I'm not a religious person it never crosses my mind as a God's judgement thing.


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Re: The Nearly Forgotten Plague
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2008, 09:33:10 PM »
Rather than focusing on their title, I think the content of the article is more interesting.  Funny how there's a different slant on nearly the same data here:
http://www.aidsmeds.com/articles/hiv_aids_canada_1667_14254.shtml
Apr 28/06 cd4 600 vl 10,600 cd% 25
Nov 8/09 cd4 510 vl 49,5000 cd% 16
Jan 16/10 cd4 660 vl 54,309 cd% 16
Feb 17/10 Started Atripla
Mar 7/10 cd4 710 vl 1,076 cd% 21
Apr 18/10 cd4 920 vl 268 cd% 28
Jun 19/10 cd4 450 vl 60 cd% 25
Aug 15/10 cd4 680 vl 205 cd% 27
Apr 3/11 cd4 780 vl <40 cd% 30
Jul 17/11 cd4 960 vl <40 cd%33
April 15/12 cd4 1,010 vl <40 cd% 39
April 20/12 Switched to Viramune + Truvada
Aug 2/12 cd4 1040, vl <40, cd% 38
Oct 19 cd4 1,110 vl <40 cd% 41

Offline sharkdiver

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Re: The Nearly Forgotten Plague
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »
Rather than focusing on their title, I think the content of the article is more interesting.  Funny how there's a different slant on nearly the same data here:
http://www.aidsmeds.com/articles/hiv_aids_canada_1667_14254.shtml

so.... what was the intention of starting this post?

edited to add  "and why didn't I let this thread die?"
« Last Edit: March 19, 2008, 03:40:40 PM by sharkdiver »

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Re: The Nearly Forgotten Plague
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2008, 12:41:05 AM »
so.... what was the intention of starting this post?

edited to add  "and why didn't I let this thread die?"

Um, that would be as I just said, to share the content of the article.  Which wasn't focussing on the term "plague" but just used it in the headline. 
Apr 28/06 cd4 600 vl 10,600 cd% 25
Nov 8/09 cd4 510 vl 49,5000 cd% 16
Jan 16/10 cd4 660 vl 54,309 cd% 16
Feb 17/10 Started Atripla
Mar 7/10 cd4 710 vl 1,076 cd% 21
Apr 18/10 cd4 920 vl 268 cd% 28
Jun 19/10 cd4 450 vl 60 cd% 25
Aug 15/10 cd4 680 vl 205 cd% 27
Apr 3/11 cd4 780 vl <40 cd% 30
Jul 17/11 cd4 960 vl <40 cd%33
April 15/12 cd4 1,010 vl <40 cd% 39
April 20/12 Switched to Viramune + Truvada
Aug 2/12 cd4 1040, vl <40, cd% 38
Oct 19 cd4 1,110 vl <40 cd% 41

 


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