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Author Topic: Oklahoma State Rep. Sally Kern's Hot Little Rant - All the Rage on YouTube.  (Read 11333 times)

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Offline thunter34

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Gays a bigger threat than terrorists!  They're coming for your children!  etc. etc. etc....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPB7bTdz2xQ


"Gays have higher suicide, are more discouraged..."

Gee.  I wonder why.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2008, 07:07:32 PM by thunter34 »
AIDS isn't for sissies.

Offline mjmel

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We homosexuals work to achieve acceptance. To let others know we are just folks only with a different sexual preference.
She terms it "infiltration". And then the outright lie on the bit about gays going after 2 nd graders.  ::) Oh, my Lord! what rubbish.
Rather dense, isn't she. Plainly, the difference is more than sexual preference.

Mike

Offline komnaes

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Gays a bigger threat than terrorists!  They're coming for your children![/blue]  etc. etc. etc....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNc61BsEvmA

If I can speak a bit for the gays we're not interested in their children... we're interested in their husbands!
Aug 07 Diagnosed
Oct 07 CD4=446(19%) Feb 08 CD4=421(19%)
Jun 08 CD4=325(22%) Jul 08 CD4=301(18%)
Sep 08 CD4=257/VL=75,000 Oct 08 CD4=347(16%)
Dec 08 CD4=270(16%)
Jan 09 CD4=246(13%)/VL=10,000
Feb 09 CD4=233(15%)/VL=13,000
Started meds Sustiva/Epzicom
May 09 CD4=333(24%)/VL=650
Aug 09 CD4=346(24%)/VL=UD
Nov 09 CD4=437(26%)/VL=UD
Feb 10 CD4=471(31%)/VL=UD
June 10 CD4=517 (28%)/VL=UD
Sept 10 CD4=687 (31%)/VL=UD
Jan 11 CD4=557 (30%)/VL=UD
April 11 CD4=569 (32%)/VL=UD
Switched to Epizcom, Reyataz and Norvir
(Interrupted for 2 months with only Epizcom & Reyataz)
July 11 CD=520 (28%)/VL=UD
Oct 11 CD=771 (31%)/VL=UD(<30)
April 12 CD=609 (28%)/VL=UD(<20)
Aug 12 CD=657 (29%)/VL=UD(<20)
Dec 12 CD=532 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
May 13 CD=567 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
Jan 14 CD=521 (21%)/VL=UD(<50)

Offline David_CA

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If I can speak a bit for the gays we're not interested in their children... we're interested in their husbands!

I would agree, but then we'd be settling for guys that would marry wenches like her!  :D 

I saw a bit about it in Headline News this morning.  Even Robin, who showed a video of the report, had a WTF look on her face.  Personally, I'd think our biggest threat is narrow-minded extremist of just about any type.  She certainly fits that description!

David
Black Friday 03-03-2006
03-23-06 CD4 359 @27.4% VL 75,938
06-01-06 CD4 462 @24.3% VL > 100,000
08-15-06 CD4 388 @22.8% VL >  "
10-21-06 CD4 285 @21.9% VL >  "
  Atripla started 12-01-2006
01-08-07 CD4 429 @26.8% VL 1872!
05-08-07 CD4 478 @28.1% VL 740
08-03-07 CD4 509 @31.8% VL 370
11-06-07 CD4 570 @30.0% VL 140
02-21-08 CD4 648 @32.4% VL 600
05-19-08 CD4 695 @33.1% VL < 48 undetectable!
08-21-08 CD4 725 @34.5%
11-11-08 CD4 672 @39.5%
02-11-09 CD4 773 @36.8%
05-11-09 CD4 615 @36.2%
08-19-09 CD4 770 @38.5%
11-19-09 CD4 944 @33.7%
02-17-10 CD4 678 @39.9%  
06-03-10 CD4 768 @34.9%
09-21-10 CD4 685 @40.3%
01-10-11 CD4 908 @36.3%
05-23-11 CD4 846 @36.8% VL 80
02-13-12 CD4 911 @41.4% VL<20
You must be the change you want to see in the world.  Mahatma Gandhi

Offline komnaes

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I would agree, but then we'd be settling for guys that would marry wenches like her!  :D 

I saw a bit about it in Headline News this morning.  Even Robin, who showed a video of the report, had a WTF look on her face.  Personally, I'd think our biggest threat is narrow-minded extremist of just about any type.  She certainly fits that description!

David

David, obviously you have not watched that porn flick called Barebacking House Husbands! ;D

Well, election time is upon you guys in the US of A so it's about time, I suppose. If the Republicans cannot trust their own president to handle the threat of terrorism, they have no where to turn to but falling back on the ever reliable gay bashing.
Aug 07 Diagnosed
Oct 07 CD4=446(19%) Feb 08 CD4=421(19%)
Jun 08 CD4=325(22%) Jul 08 CD4=301(18%)
Sep 08 CD4=257/VL=75,000 Oct 08 CD4=347(16%)
Dec 08 CD4=270(16%)
Jan 09 CD4=246(13%)/VL=10,000
Feb 09 CD4=233(15%)/VL=13,000
Started meds Sustiva/Epzicom
May 09 CD4=333(24%)/VL=650
Aug 09 CD4=346(24%)/VL=UD
Nov 09 CD4=437(26%)/VL=UD
Feb 10 CD4=471(31%)/VL=UD
June 10 CD4=517 (28%)/VL=UD
Sept 10 CD4=687 (31%)/VL=UD
Jan 11 CD4=557 (30%)/VL=UD
April 11 CD4=569 (32%)/VL=UD
Switched to Epizcom, Reyataz and Norvir
(Interrupted for 2 months with only Epizcom & Reyataz)
July 11 CD=520 (28%)/VL=UD
Oct 11 CD=771 (31%)/VL=UD(<30)
April 12 CD=609 (28%)/VL=UD(<20)
Aug 12 CD=657 (29%)/VL=UD(<20)
Dec 12 CD=532 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
May 13 CD=567 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
Jan 14 CD=521 (21%)/VL=UD(<50)

Offline pozguy75

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Well small minded exremists may have the protection of the 1st amendment, but so do we!

I saw the CNN report this morning...she said and I quote: "it is a fatal lifestyle..."

Wow, I really do feel sorry for people when they are like this!
Dx 2005
ATRIPLA

Offline David_CA

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I love it when they call it a 'lifestyle'.  I mean, on one hand are major closet queens: straight-acting, married, with kids, and leading a deceitful heterosexual 'lifestyle'.  Then, on the other hand, we have flaming faggots that pretend to be nothing other than what they are.  They may have a fierce sense of style (did I use the term correctly?), be funny as hell, and live with another man as any couple would.  This is the 'lifestyle' to which these extremist object?  I take it that it's the actual sex itself that's so abominable.  I always want to ask these folks "So, a celibate gay man or lesbian is ok, as long as they don't act gay or lesbian?"  I wonder how they would respond.

David
« Last Edit: March 11, 2008, 08:01:28 AM by David_NC »
Black Friday 03-03-2006
03-23-06 CD4 359 @27.4% VL 75,938
06-01-06 CD4 462 @24.3% VL > 100,000
08-15-06 CD4 388 @22.8% VL >  "
10-21-06 CD4 285 @21.9% VL >  "
  Atripla started 12-01-2006
01-08-07 CD4 429 @26.8% VL 1872!
05-08-07 CD4 478 @28.1% VL 740
08-03-07 CD4 509 @31.8% VL 370
11-06-07 CD4 570 @30.0% VL 140
02-21-08 CD4 648 @32.4% VL 600
05-19-08 CD4 695 @33.1% VL < 48 undetectable!
08-21-08 CD4 725 @34.5%
11-11-08 CD4 672 @39.5%
02-11-09 CD4 773 @36.8%
05-11-09 CD4 615 @36.2%
08-19-09 CD4 770 @38.5%
11-19-09 CD4 944 @33.7%
02-17-10 CD4 678 @39.9%  
06-03-10 CD4 768 @34.9%
09-21-10 CD4 685 @40.3%
01-10-11 CD4 908 @36.3%
05-23-11 CD4 846 @36.8% VL 80
02-13-12 CD4 911 @41.4% VL<20
You must be the change you want to see in the world.  Mahatma Gandhi

Offline pozattitude

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oh you beat me to it Youth Pastor Tim.....


I was thinking that since this woman does not believe her words are innapropriate and she has "freedom of speech"  and start my own crusade...Back to Roman Rules...Throw the Christians to the Lions!!!!
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Offline J.R.E.

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The links not working. Says the video been removed.



Ray
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http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=40802.0

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=45159.0

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=39722.msg495621;topicseen#msg495621

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=46806.0

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=39414.msg491701#msg491701


Diagnosed positive in 1985,.. In October of 2003, My t-cell count was 16, Viral load was over 500,000, Percentage at that time was 5%. I started on  HAART on October 24th, 2003.

 As of 12/10/14,  t-cells are at 350,  Previous 8/25/14--- 402/ Viral load remains <40

 Current % is at 13% / Previous 8/25/14 11%

  
 63 years young.

Offline thunter34

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The links not working. Says the video been removed.



Ray

Found another one and posted both here and above.   If anyone else has trouble, I'll seek out new ones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPB7bTdz2xQ
AIDS isn't for sissies.

Offline J.R.E.

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Jezzus H Christ. This woman's out of her fu**ing mind.


Ray
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Metoprolol tartrate 25mg



http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=40802.0

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=45159.0

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=39722.msg495621;topicseen#msg495621

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=46806.0

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=39414.msg491701#msg491701


Diagnosed positive in 1985,.. In October of 2003, My t-cell count was 16, Viral load was over 500,000, Percentage at that time was 5%. I started on  HAART on October 24th, 2003.

 As of 12/10/14,  t-cells are at 350,  Previous 8/25/14--- 402/ Viral load remains <40

 Current % is at 13% / Previous 8/25/14 11%

  
 63 years young.

Offline Matty the Damned

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If anyone else has trouble, I'll seek out new ones.

No need Timmeh. Matty the Damned has sequestered a copy of the video from his intewebs cache. Copies can be made available should GooTube continue to pull them down.

MtD

Offline thunter34

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If anyone else has trouble, I'll seek out new ones.

No need Timmeh. Matty the Damned has sequestered a copy of the video from his intewebs cache. Copies can be made available should GooTube continue to pull them down.

MtD

I'm not sure why this video/audio would keep getting yanked.  I wonder what "terms of use violation" it is exactly? 
AIDS isn't for sissies.

Offline Matty the Damned

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Copyright violation. The people posting the video don't own the rights to it. The rightful owner is presumably doing a DMCA notice thing with GooTube.

Matty the Damned is immune to such threats. :)

MtD

Offline Matty the Damned

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More good news. I've transcoded the video into mp3 format. Given that it's really an audio file that's been posted on GooTube, this makes the download smaller.

I'll have a link to the file shortly.

MtD

Offline thunter34

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Thank You!! 

AIDS isn't for sissies.

Offline sacinsc

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They did an interview with her that you can see on CNN. What a fucking nut bag. I mean come on, how can they reelect this fruitcake...and she looks like a lesbian to!
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October 07 -     CD4 294 VL 124000 22%
November 07 - Norvir, Triuvada and Reyataz
December 07 -  CD4 355 VL  550 .... guess the meds are working.
January 08 - CD4 446 VL <48 undetectable!
April 08 - CD4 554 VL <48 undetectable!
July 08 - CD4 666 VL <48 undetectable! Hporay...I have devil CD4's

Offline Matty the Damned

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Herewith a permanent link to the speech given by the Distinguished Gentlewoman from Oklahoma. Right click and choose "save link as".

http://www.shagnasty.net/download/oklahoma-bigot.mp3

Enjoy peeps!

MtD

Offline Winiroo

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Katie bar the door!

Indoctrination is rampant. Infiltration is eminent. This stuff is deadly and spreading they are snatching up toddlers left and right.

I'll be damned LOL

What an ignorant bitch. I suppose she has a program to cure the gays and those with undesirable religions too.


Offline Basquo

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About a year ago I tried to email the President, which I use to do about twice a year, but couldn't find his address on whitehouse.gov.  So I emailed the VP instead.  I'm just wondering, how much trouble could I get into if I emailed this woman on her website, and told her she was an ignorant idiot, without using any profanity?

Offline Winiroo

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She wouldn't pay any attention to you anyway.
She'd just think your one of those horrid gays or you are someone who has been indoctrinated into gay society.
No matter what anyone said she'd think she is right.

If God knocked on her head and said <ahem, your stupid stop it> She'd think it was a trick of the devil.

Offline BlueMoon

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So I emailed the VP instead.  I'm just wondering, how much trouble could I get into if I emailed this woman on her website, and told her she was an ignorant idiot, without using any profanity?

You're already on a list, how much worse can it get?
...................VL.....CD4.....%
-----------------------------------------
08/10-- ......<40.....290.....42
05/10-- ......<48.....290.....46
02/10-- ......<48.....481.....44
10/09-- ......<48.....277.....46
07/09-- ......<48.....300.....38
05/09-- ........51.....449.....39
03/09-- Added Isentress
02/09-- ........65.....299.....34
11/08-- ........62.....242.....40
08/08-- ........66.....212.....29
05/08-- ......202.....217.....27
03/08-- ....5210.....187.....21
02/08-- Began Truvada/Reyataz/Norvir
12/07-- 273,000.....157.....22
11/07-- 229,000.....209.....22
10/07-- Diagnosis

It's a complex world.

Offline Basquo

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Babycakes, I'm sure I'm on SEVERAL lists! But I'm just thinking what if this woman actually reads her own email, then answers me, and we get into a conversation. How can I tell her how wrong she is without giving her a sense of self-worth when she finds outI'm poz?

Offline thunter34

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Babycakes, I'm sure I'm on SEVERAL lists! But I'm just thinking what if this woman actually reads her own email, then answers me, and we get into a conversation. How can I tell her how wrong she is without giving her a sense of self-worth when she finds out I'm poz?

I feel ya here, hon.  One of the things that gets me mad at myself about the whole POZTM thing is that I hate giving any of the people like that the satisfaction of it.  Because I know for so many of them the A in AIDS stands for "Ace in the hole".  So many of these loathesome little twats still see this illness as their trump card. 

"You see?  It's not a lifestyle, it's a deathstyle."
AIDS isn't for sissies.

Offline minismom

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Please!  I know there are diviant plans floating around this forum to off me and get your grubby little hands on my Mini ;)  And, yes,  Kom, my hubby, too! :P

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Curses! I've been foiled again! :)

MtD

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Beautiful, you bet your looney buns! 

Mum (who still thinks you have fine benny lava :-*)

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Offline komnaes

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I feel ya here, hon.  One of the things that gets me mad at myself about the whole POZTM thing is that I hate giving any of the people like that the satisfaction of it.  Because I know for so many of them the A in AIDS stands for "Ace in the hole".  So many of these loathesome little twats still see this illness as their trump card. 

"You see?  It's not a lifestyle, it's a deathstyle."


Yeah? I will just throw Susan Sontag's book "Illness as Metaphor" at her... not that she'd read or change her mind, but it will at least cause some pain! :D
Aug 07 Diagnosed
Oct 07 CD4=446(19%) Feb 08 CD4=421(19%)
Jun 08 CD4=325(22%) Jul 08 CD4=301(18%)
Sep 08 CD4=257/VL=75,000 Oct 08 CD4=347(16%)
Dec 08 CD4=270(16%)
Jan 09 CD4=246(13%)/VL=10,000
Feb 09 CD4=233(15%)/VL=13,000
Started meds Sustiva/Epzicom
May 09 CD4=333(24%)/VL=650
Aug 09 CD4=346(24%)/VL=UD
Nov 09 CD4=437(26%)/VL=UD
Feb 10 CD4=471(31%)/VL=UD
June 10 CD4=517 (28%)/VL=UD
Sept 10 CD4=687 (31%)/VL=UD
Jan 11 CD4=557 (30%)/VL=UD
April 11 CD4=569 (32%)/VL=UD
Switched to Epizcom, Reyataz and Norvir
(Interrupted for 2 months with only Epizcom & Reyataz)
July 11 CD=520 (28%)/VL=UD
Oct 11 CD=771 (31%)/VL=UD(<30)
April 12 CD=609 (28%)/VL=UD(<20)
Aug 12 CD=657 (29%)/VL=UD(<20)
Dec 12 CD=532 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
May 13 CD=567 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
Jan 14 CD=521 (21%)/VL=UD(<50)

Offline Snowangel

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Did she actually say this is a death nail in this country?  WTF?  I really like the endoctrinating of the children lines too, Bee-atch, please.
She's just mad cuz her husband left her for another man.

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Offline Basquo

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Did she actually say this is a death nail in this country?  WTF?  I really like the endoctrinating of the children lines too, Bee-atch, please.
She's just mad cuz her husband left her for another man.

Snow

Did he really? Do tell!

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They did an interview with her that you can see on CNN. What a fucking nut bag. I mean come on, how can they reelect this fruitcake...and she looks like a lesbian to!

Um... WHAT? Number one, just what does a lesbian look like and two, you're saying this as though you mean it as an insult. I find this very sexist and nasty towards lesbians. How is your comment any different from hers? You do know we don't tolerate this sort of thing here? Please consider yourself warned.

Ann
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Offline David_CA

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Um... WHAT? Number one, just what does a lesbian look like and two, you're saying this as though you mean it as an insult. I find this very sexist and nasty towards lesbians. How is your comment any different from hers? You do know we don't tolerate this sort of thing here? Please consider yourself warned.

Ann


I believe he was implying that it looks like a pot calling kettles black.
Black Friday 03-03-2006
03-23-06 CD4 359 @27.4% VL 75,938
06-01-06 CD4 462 @24.3% VL > 100,000
08-15-06 CD4 388 @22.8% VL >  "
10-21-06 CD4 285 @21.9% VL >  "
  Atripla started 12-01-2006
01-08-07 CD4 429 @26.8% VL 1872!
05-08-07 CD4 478 @28.1% VL 740
08-03-07 CD4 509 @31.8% VL 370
11-06-07 CD4 570 @30.0% VL 140
02-21-08 CD4 648 @32.4% VL 600
05-19-08 CD4 695 @33.1% VL < 48 undetectable!
08-21-08 CD4 725 @34.5%
11-11-08 CD4 672 @39.5%
02-11-09 CD4 773 @36.8%
05-11-09 CD4 615 @36.2%
08-19-09 CD4 770 @38.5%
11-19-09 CD4 944 @33.7%
02-17-10 CD4 678 @39.9%  
06-03-10 CD4 768 @34.9%
09-21-10 CD4 685 @40.3%
01-10-11 CD4 908 @36.3%
05-23-11 CD4 846 @36.8% VL 80
02-13-12 CD4 911 @41.4% VL<20
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I believe he was implying that it looks like a pot calling kettles black.

Well, that wasn't my take on it at all. Why don't we leave it to Matt to explain himself? Or do you read minds as a side-line?

Ann
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OK, here I am explaining. My take was that everytime someone stabs at the gays and lesbians they turn out to be gays and lesbians. IE Larry Craig and that horrid little preacher with the meth and hooker. And she does look like the steriotypical lesbian, as a gay guy I have no problem saying when a guy looks gay or when a woman looks butch and lesbian. Not all do, but lets face facts there are plenty who do! No offense meant Ann, sorry if I offended you.

That being said, I looked more into this woman's ideas. She said that no culture that has embrassed homosexuality has lasted long. Perhaps she should look at history...the Greeks and Romans laster MUCH longer than the United States has been around.

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Well Matt, please try to be clearer when you throw nuggets like that out. I mean, I understand and enjoy irony, but your comment just didn't look very ironic in the context you placed it.

And thanks for coming back to me on this - although I still have a bit of a problem with the "stereotypical" train of thought. I thought part of what growing up was about was moving past stereotyping people. 

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Or do you read minds as a side-line?

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That's what I said, but he's like that.   ;)

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I was listening to talk radio while driving home from the grocery store and they where listening to this rant and making comments.

One gentleman pointed out she had said gays where worse than terrorist.
The other responded  "Oh really? I dont recall any gay pride floats smashing into the world trade center."

Tickled me thought I would share it...


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I was listening to talk radio while driving home from the grocery store and they where listening to this rant and making comments.

One gentleman pointed out she had said gays where worse than terrorist.
The other responded  "Oh really? I dont recall any gay pride floats smashing into the world trade center."

Tickled me thought I would share it...



OMG LOL

you crack me up Winiroo

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I think you need a little Visine sweetie.


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Just don't ask about his brown eye!  :o
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LOL I'll leave that one up to you.


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 ;D and now back to the thread....
This is a looser politician who is going to try to snuggle up to the Religious Reich to promote her career, nothing else. I bet she won't get far before the skeletons in her closet see light or the Religious Reich see her as having nothing ($) to add.
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Speaking of skeletons in her closet, why am I not surprised that she and her baptist preacher husband may have a gay son they've disowned ...

http://www.queerty.com/sally-kern-scrubs-gay-son-20080312/


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Speaking of skeletons in her closet, why am I not surprised that she and her baptist preacher husband may have a gay son they've disowned ...

http://www.queerty.com/sally-kern-scrubs-gay-son-20080312/



Great link! I think we should email it to her. I can't do it from work but I'll do it tonight from home!

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Speaking of skeletons in her closet, why am I not surprised that she and her baptist preacher husband may have a gay son they've disowned ...

http://www.queerty.com/sally-kern-scrubs-gay-son-20080312/



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it's a little sad truthfully


I remember a young teen from Sacramento that was sent away from his family some years ago (good ole Capital Christian Center) to live with a terrible family that intended to beat the gayness out of him. It was an "exchange program"   later he commited suicide.

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That is disgusting. Absolutely positively not the way a parent should ever treat their child.

Turns my stomach to think how any mother could do anything remotely rotten to their own child.
I know sometimes people do things because they think it is best but good grief where is the common since?
Humanity? So called christian behavior?

yuck, I'm just disgusted...

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If ignorance is bliss, this woman must be deliriously happy. :-*

Okay, I "borrowed" this, but it's too funny not to share.

Dear Sally Kern:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your speech, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination ... end of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
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I'll post this from a site where people are discussing Ms Kern's statements.  I found it humorous, but I should probably make a disclaimer before posting it.  Please do not take it that I'm a heterophobe or have any problems or issues with heterosexual people.  Hell, my own parents are heterosexual; so were my grandparents.

Heterosexual Questionnaire

Please answer the following questions as honestly as possible.

1. What do you think caused your heterosexuality?
2. When and how did you first decide you were heterosexual?
3. Is it possible that your heterosexuality is just a phase you may grow out of?
4. Is it possible that your heterosexuality stems from a fear of others of the same sex?
5. If you have never slept with a member of your own sex, is it possible that you might be gay if you tried it?
6. If heterosexuality is normal, why are so many mental patients heterosexual?
7. Why do you heterosexual people try to seduce others into your lifestyle?
8. Why do you flaunt your heterosexuality? Can't you just be who you are and keep it quiet?
9. The great majority of child molesters are heterosexual. Do you consider it safe to expose your children to heterosexual teachers?
10. With all the societal support that marriage receives, the divorce rate is spiraling. Why are there so few stable relationships among heterosexual people?
11. Why are heterosexual people so promiscuous?
12. Would you want your children to be heterosexual, knowing the problems they would face, such as heartbreak, disease, and divorce?
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you know
i have experience dealing with people like her (there are several groups here in Sacramento).  The best "weapon" is not feeding the fuel (with emails and links to info about her son) nor is it productive to try to engage her in discussions about wrong or right (it's if they are almost "brainwashed" with responses to everything). yeah, you might feel disgusted and feel a little rage build up, but, you know that's what a lot of the people and groups who are "programmed" to think this way want. They want you to fear, they want you to hate. (when they are the ones that are most fearful)

Maybe the best way to respond to someone like this is to do something completely unexpected and opposite of what they want? Something to disarm them? I'm sure you all can be creative.
Something to think about.

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Hmm..okay...well I don't see anything wrong with saying to her, "People like you make me afraid to live in my own country and in my opinion that makes YOU a terrorist."

See, I didn't say "hate" and I defended my words by saying "my opinion." I didn't reveal the skeletons in my closet.

I'm just like her!  She should adopt me!

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Hmm..okay...well I don't see anything wrong with saying to her, "People like you make me afraid to live in my own country and in my opinion that makes YOU a terrorist."

See, I didn't say "hate" and I defended my words by saying "my opinion." I didn't reveal the skeletons in my closet.

I'm just like her!  She should adopt me!

She's already has a gay son, why would she want a daughter? ;D

I find it hilarious that Salacious Sally is such a bigot. Her son Jesse was the biggest queen on the campus of OBU in the mid-90ís. Twice he almost was expelled for making inappropriate advances in the library toilets. When he wasnít cruising the toilets he was in the glee club and a piano majorÖthereís your sign.




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Are you calling me a lesbian?  Because if you are, you'd better be prepared to explain yourself to the Mods!

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Are you calling me a lesbian?  Because if you are, you'd better be prepared to explain yourself to the Mods!

heavens no dear, I'm calling you a woman :P ummm, lady er, girl?

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When I worked at Disney World, the right wing hate-monger southern baptist would always try and march in protest on Gay Day. Disney wouldn't let them on the property so they would march out in Kississmmee near the main entrance...I would just drive by and laugh. They really looked pitiful. Maybe that is the way to deal with these people.

Besides I also found it funny that Gay Day always sells out the park. Shuts down from people coming in it is so full. That only happens on Christmas Day, 4th of July and New Years Eve.

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Oh that was nothing.
You missed her rant that all blacks shuffle, sell drugs and are slow.
And she claims she has every "right" to speak cause of her freedom of speech.
A little twisted thinking if you ask me.
She's a bigot and probably never knew a gay person, other than what she heard from
watching the 700 club.
Is it any wonder people are so against and fearful of gay marriage issues?
Or states think they need to make laws "protecting" people like her?

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I'm an optimist.. I think Dinosaurs like Silly Kern's are just one generation from extinction.   

HA you should come to Sacramento

they are breeding like rabbits

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I just left a small (sarcastic) message:

I totally agree with her.  Over the last 20 years, I have noticed that woman have also been infiltrating our schools and even worse, a woman is trying to become the PRESIDENT!

Recent studies have shown that woman want to secretly capture all the cucumber and zucchini farms in the USA!  Can you believe this!  They must be STOPPED!

Woman are now even claiming that it is wetter underwater when you're there when it rains!

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Sally Kern's son denies reports he is gay

by Mick Hinton, World Capitol Bureau

3/14/2008 12:00 AM

OKLAHOMA CITY -- The son of a state lawmaker who has condemned homosexuality as a worse threat to the U.S. than "terrorists or Islam" said Friday he wants it known that he is "straight and not gay."

Jesse Kern, son of Rep. Sally Kern, R-Oklahoma City, said information purporting that he is gay, which has appeared on several blogs, is damaging to himself and his family.

Kern, 31, said he feels the media has a responsibility to seek out the truth, then report it.

Kern, who said he is affiliated with the Des Moines School of Metaphysics, said that he chooses to be celibate, but he is not homosexual.

"First of all, no one's sexuality is anyone's business. It is not even my mother's business," he said. "I practice celibacy to give to my God," he said.

Kern said metaphysics helps teach him such things such as concentration, which has helped him keep focused with all the adverse publicity surrounding his mother's comments.

Kern said his mother's comments apparently were taken out of context. He has not chosen to listen to the audio version that has been disseminated widely throughout the nation.

Kern's views differ from those of his mother, although he applauds her for standing up for what she believes, and thanks his parents for his good upbringing. His father is a Baptist minister in Oklahoma City.

He said the purpose of sex is reproduction, and it is the function of the animal body.

"But we are more than animals, and we can use sex for a tool of deep relationship with another person."

Kern added that what is more important than whether it be a relationship with someone of the same sex, is that there "needs to be honor in any relationship whether it is a straight or gay relationship."


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Yeah, "celibate".

This character is what's known in the trade as a "Side B" gay christian. They practice celibacy because the christian bible prohibits homosexual sex.

MtD

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Well, we are all intitled to an opinion (I think).

Unlike his spiritually lost mother, Jesse Kern seems to be a grounded and intelligent person. Jesus Christ of course never mentioned ONE WORD about homosexuals or homosexuality, a fact some people seem to overlook.

Donít get swallowed up in hateful speeches by well intentioned but lost souls. Their values are anti-Christís teaching.

Love is love, no matter who is loving me or loving you.

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Unlike his spiritually lost mother, Jesse Kern seems to be a grounded and intelligent person. Jesus Christ of course never mentioned ONE WORD about homosexuals or homosexuality, a fact some people seem to overlook.

Well Jesus didn't actually say all that much and what he did say was either:

1. Unoriginal
2. Ambiguous at best.

Which was really rank laziness on Jesus' part. It means his followers have spent the last 2000 years filling in the blanks and they're pretty clear on these things. Jesus' good friend Paul, for example, damns homos to hell in his letters to the Corinthians. I think it gets a run in Timothy as well.

Now "celibacy" (especially amongst christians of the Kerns' stripe) is code for "I'm a dirty queer, but I'm terrified Jesus is gonna sling me into hell" and that's cool. But whatever he is, he's neither intelligent nor well grounded.

And you only have to see his mother to know why. :)

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Your opinions are yours, Matty. I can handle that.

Of course you can probably guess mine aren't perceived through the same lens as yours. Nor do I seem to know as much as you do but hey, that's okay. I have no need to.

C'est la vie.

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Kern, 31, said he feels the media has a responsibility to seek out the truth, then report it.


Why do I have the feeling that he will soon regret of having said this...
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Jesse Kerns: Celibate not-gay, christian and director of the Des Moines School of Metaphysics.

MtD

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Jesse Kerns: Celibate not-gay, christian and director of the Des Moines School of Metaphysics.

MtD

he is kinda cute though  lol

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I was talking to one of my neighbors about politics and she brought up gay marriage. Her views were that because so many women and women or men and men couples are raising children, it therefore gives children the "choice" to be gay? So I say being gay is not a choice, that is the way you were born.  No, if kids see this at a young age it gives them the option for when they get older? WTF ? She then said she has had gay friends, why does one guy always act like a girl and the other one act like a guy? That just goes to show you it is supposed to a man and a women.  I don't know? I don't think all of them do.  Why do you do anything you do? Because that is who you are?  I had to leave to pick up the kids but it just goes to show that this kind of thinking is everywhere. 
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I was talking to one of my neighbors about politics and she brought up gay marriage. Her views were that because so many women and women or men and men couples are raising children, it therefore gives children the "choice" to be gay



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She then said she has had gay friends, why does one guy always act like a girl and the other one act like a guy?

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I was talking to one of my neighbors about politics and she brought up gay marriage....
A coworker/friend asked me, after we returned from getting married, "So who's the wife and who's the husband?"
Since she knew I could have a razor sharp since of humor and gave me that smile, which was a total invite to make a wise ass comment I said, "Who ever has the cleanest ass is the wife".
She blew her coffee through her nose...
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A coworker/friend asked me, after we returned from getting married, "So who's the wife and who's the husband?"
Since she knew I could have a razor sharp since of humor and gave me that smile, which was a total invite to make a wise ass comment I said, "Who ever has the cleanest ass is the wife".
She blew her coffee through her nose...

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LOL!!  That was perfect!  I always think of smart ass comments after the fact  :-[
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Oh that was nothing.
You missed her rant that all blacks shuffle, sell drugs and are slow.
And she claims she has every "right" to speak cause of her freedom of speech.
A little twisted thinking if you ask me.
She's a bigot and probably never knew a gay person, other than what she heard from
watching the 700 club.
Is it any wonder people are so against and fearful of gay marriage issues?
Or states think they need to make laws "protecting" people like her?


Actually she does have the "right" to say what she wants. You may not agree with her, but she still has the right. Just as you have the right to say things that you want that she doesn't agree with, but you still have the right to say it. That is Freedom of Speech.
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