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Testing my Knowledge
« on: March 08, 2008, 07:44:19 AM »
Rather than ask another question the typical way, I am going to present my scenario, and then present my understanding of transmission risk, based on what I've learned here.  Please confirm or correct my information.

Scenario:
The dumbest possible.  Bangkok Thailand, GoGo bar girl with long nails "hurt" the head of my penis by reaching down into my shorts and scraping it with her fingernail.  1 hour later I received unprotected oral from a transsexual for a solid 10 minutes.  "She" told me afterwards that she had serviced 3 others before me.  When I arrived back at my hotel 15 minutes later, I realized it was indeed an open cut.  Peroxide was poured into it and bubbled furiously due to the presence of blood. (not actually flowing).

My Understanding:
Based on my knowledge of HIV and transmission: While this is Bangkok, and the other party is highest possible risk group, and they do NOT get tested for HIV, its safe to assume they may have HIV.  Assessment of your partners risk is part of assessing your own risk.  However, while HIV is present in saliva, it is not present in high enough quantities to cause actual transmission and infection. In this scenario, the risk is negligible despite my open wound, as the other party did not have actual BLOOD in their mouth at the time.

Questions
1)  Is my understanding accurate?
2)  Assume the other party still had semen in mouth from previous clients. Does this constitute legitimate "risk" ?

Looked at from another perspective, if someone with HIV walked up to you and licked your elbow, which had a cut on it, you would NOT get HIV.  That Im pretty sure of.  And that is basically what happened.

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Re: Testing my Knowledge
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2008, 07:52:08 AM »
QI,

Your understanding is pretty much correct. Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus. Not only is saliva not infectious, but there are also over a dozen different proteins and enzymes in saliva that damage hiv and render it unable to infect. So, even if she had a mouthful of someone else's semen, it would pose no hiv risk to you.

Not one person has ever been infected through getting a blowjob and you will not be the first.

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex with a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

Although you do NOT need to test over a blowjob, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

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The issue of Blood
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2008, 07:56:08 AM »
I was going to put this in my other thread, but as I wrote my questions, I realized they warranted a new thread. 

My questions are related to transmittable body fluids. By this I mean fluids which can carry the virus to an uninfected person and result in infection.  There are however two parts to this equation: 

1)  The fluids being transmitted by the infected individual
2)  The physical integrity of the tissues of the uninfected individual (bleeding, open wounds, etc)

More and more often recently, I have heard people comment here that only Blood can transmit HIV. This is a modification to the information I have always had, which states very clearly that vaginal and seminal fluids can *transmit*.  And as for the second part of the equation - that the recipient does not necessarily need to have an open wound, or the presence of blood to *receive*.

Opinions seem to differ greatly.  Is there any solid answer for this, or are there still many philosophies?

If we were to go into the "Positive" forums and query every one on how they got HIV... would *they* agree that its "not easy" to get HIV?  Or would they say that is a fallacy.  Would the positive people agree that only blood can transmit?  Or would they have good reason to believe it was simply the lack of condom?  Would you find heterosexual people who simply had unprotected, normal sex, and still got it?

Thanks!

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Re: Testing my Knowledge
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2008, 08:03:25 AM »
QI,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.

Do NOT "go into the positive forums" to ask anyone anything. Make sure you read the posting guidelines I directed you to above.

Nobody on this forum says that hiv can only be transmitted through blood. It can be transmitted through semen and cervicovaginal fluids as well - and breastfeeding in the case of infants. You may have read that Hepatitis C is mainly a blood-borne virus, but NOT hiv.

As I've already told you, hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus. It needs very specific circumstances in order to latch on to a very few, very specific types of cells and infect. This mainly occurs during unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse where transmission takes place INSIDE the body. Hiv does not remain intact and able to infect when it finds itself outside the body.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and you will avoid hiv infection. Really, I wouldn't kid you!

Ann
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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

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Re: Testing my Knowledge
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2008, 10:03:07 AM »
Thank you for the helpful replies.  I learned something new today.  I did not know that proteins in saliva can damage HIV and hinder its ability to function. 

In regards to my other post - I would never actually go into the other forums and ask such a thing.  But I definitely have seen people on reputable sites (it may have been TheBody) state that blood must be present in order for infection and transmission to occur. It always made me krinkle my nose, but they spoke with confidence and I remember them being reputable participants.  In any case, your information matches what I had been told as well.  So I'll get the other stuff out of my head. 
« Last Edit: March 08, 2008, 10:07:37 AM by QuestionInfo »

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Re: Testing my Knowledge
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2008, 04:43:13 AM »
QI,

Whether or not the forums at The Body are reputable is questionable. They allow anyone to answer transmission and testing questions there, unlike this website where we only allow people who know their stuff to answer.

I'm glad you've found this website helpful. Remember, the bottom line is to make sure condoms are being used for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions, until such time as you are in a monogamous relationship and you have BOTH tested for not only hiv, but all the other STIs as well. Yep, it's surprisingly simple to avoid hiv infection. (wish I'd known that eleven years ago!)


Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


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