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Author Topic: Stop Kvetching !!! The Vatican says the Spanish inquisition wasn't that bad  (Read 2257 times)

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Offline Jody

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I read somewhere today that the Vatican says the Spanish inquisition wasn't all that bad as it has been portrayed over the centuries, in fact it was well meaning in nature.  Of course if you happened to be one of the poor souls who was given a choice of being strangled, hanged, drowned, burned at the stake, drawn and quartered or perhaps one from column A and one from column B (hold the eggroll) you might have felt differently, but never mind them, those heretics that they are.

They have a museum where they shlepped out some icons including Jesus on the cross, but they actually added blood on his knees now for reality, they must have seen the beloved Mel Gibson's film or had his lovely father as an advisor.

And here I thought the purpose of Christianity at the start was to drive the money changers from the temple and compassion and love for all, where do the fellows at the Vatican follow that innate principle?  Oh never mind.

Well I hope this thread isn't doomed to eventually be locked, I certainly do not want to hurt the feelings of any fine individuals (we are just stuck with our dear religions boys and girls, it happens) but if the moderators do eventually lock it I sure hope Ann or Jan hop on over with their dominatrix costumes and give a bad boy his just and deserved punishment, a spanking to force me to confess all my sins...Better yet just send Tim...But if you send Andy in all his splendor, I have a feeling he is a regular modern day Torchemada (You just can't talk him outta nothin'!!!).  Come to think of it Andy might have just learned a thing or two at the master's side back in the day. ;)

Jody :)   
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Offline thunter34

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The Vatican spooks me out big time.
AIDS isn't for sissies.

Offline Basquo

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And here I thought the purpose of Christianity at the start was to drive the money changers from the temple and compassion and love for all, where do the fellows at the Vatican follow that innate principle?  Oh never mind.



I don't believe driving the money changers out was a purpose, but a bonus, like continuing the work of earlier holy men who sought to drive the sacred prostitutes out of temples and generally attempt to put independent women in a bad light--in many religions.

The other purpose you mention was misplaced during the inquisition, in fact it's hard to locate it today!  :-\

and I'm editing this to clarify what I wrote above about a bonus: I mean a bonus to some people at the time, not a bonus in general and certainly not to me.
« Last Edit: February 29, 2008, 07:33:20 PM by Basquo »

Offline pozattitude

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" Vatican says the Spanish inquisition wasn't all that bad as it has been portrayed over the centuries"

I'm sure my ancestors who were given the choices:
a) convert to Catholicism 
b)be tortured and killed
c)leave Spain

would not agree with the Vatican...

btw...they chose C and ran away to the New World
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Offline komnaes

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Oh well, seeing that the fundamentalists in the US are getting more crazy than they do the Vatican needs to remind the world that they are truly the masters of self delusion once in a while. The world is fucked up as it's so it's somehow comforting to know that somethings never change. :P Just another side show to enjoy while they matching to the edge of the cliff, dragging us in chains with them.
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Offline scud44

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It is hard to take the Vatican seriously when it is led by someone who was an associate of one of the worst German leaders of all time.

There are so many people who have been misled and confused by alledged Christian beliefs that it is now getting a little unbelievable

Regards
Scuddles
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Offline fearless

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Well, I hate to defend the church but there is something to what they are saying. Historians seem to generally agree that it is likely somewhere between 3,000 and 5,000 were put to death during the 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition.

The Protestants greatly exaggerated what really happened during the me of the Protestant Revolutions, a view that still has wide acceptance today.

Happy Mardi Gras.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2008, 04:53:25 AM by fearless »
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Offline poz1970

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I wish catholics were more like sister act 1 and 2, then i'd be interested!


J
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Offline scud44

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Or that the Nuns were more like the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence from the cathedral of St Muscle Mary's
Happy Mardi Gras Fearless - I wish I were there tonight

Regards
Scuddles
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Jody...

I love you Jiddish language and  humor... you are such a gem..

love

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Offline fearless

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Or that the Nuns were more like the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence from the cathedral of St Muscle Mary's
Happy Mardi Gras Fearless - I wish I were there tonight

Regards
Scuddles

Nun's aren't too bad Scuddles. My aunty is one and she would seriously side with the SPI more than the vatican. The angels in the vatican don't quite cut the mustard either.

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Offline mjmel

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Ah, well. That makes me want to rethink the whole "Kvetching" attitude I have of the Vatican.
NOT!

since 1971:
"and the graven image you know who
 with his plasitc crucifix, he's got him fixed
confuses me as to who and where and why?
as to how he gets his kicks (He gets his kicks!)

confessing to the endless sin
the endless whining sounds
you'll be praying till next Thrusday
to all the gods that you can count"
artist: Ian Anderson
album: Auqalung


Shalom, baby. Shalom.

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Offline lucas clay

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 I sure hope Ann or Jan hop on over with their dominatrix costumes

Jody :)   
Sorry for the hijack bro but

Ann....Jan....  i love you

                                    Lucas
(who is smoking two cigarettes at once after reading that)

Offline frenchpat

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It is hard to take the Vatican seriously when it is led by someone who was an associate of one of the worst German leaders of all time.

I take it that you are referring to A Hitler?

Since Joseph Alois Ratzinger, a.k.a. The Pope,  was born on 16 April 1927, he was 12 when the second world war started. Though he was a Hitlerjugend I doubt that Adolf Hitler would have considered him an "associate".

Pat
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Offline anniebc

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Sorry for the hijack bro but

Ann....Jan....  i love you

                                    Lucas
(who is smoking two cigarettes at once after reading that)

Sounds to me like someone is feeling a little better..good to hear it.. ;D

I remember going to a fancy dress party dressed as a Nun and being dragged out by my beautiful Grandmother as she screamed "I'm going to  take my fekkin hand off the side of your head when I get you home"..so, as a good little catholic girl I think it's best I stay out of this thread...well, you just never know who's watching.. ;)

Hugs
Jan :-*
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Offline thunter34

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I take it that you are referring to A Hitler?

Since Joseph Alois Ratzinger, a.k.a. The Pope,  was born on 16 April 1927, he was 12 when the second world war started. Though he was a Hitlerjugend I doubt that Adolf Hitler would have considered him an "associate".

Pat

Godwin.  Then again, if you're discussing Ratzinger...I guess such connections are hard to avoid.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2008, 09:13:43 PM by thunter34 »
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Offline BlueMoon

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Well, I hate to defend the church but there is something to what they are saying. Historians seem to generally agree that it is likely somewhere between 3,000 and 5,000 were put to death during the 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition.

Even back then the liberal media was getting it wrong.  That's like only one torture-killing a month!

But look at the flip side; there were no al-Quaida attacks in Spain during that period.  Not one airplane flown into a building, not one beheading posted on the internet.  So maybe we should cut President Bush some slack about Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib.   
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