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Offline Jody

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OBAMANIA
« on: February 19, 2008, 11:47:01 PM »
Well, well, well...Barack Obama has done it again!!!...We are seeing history being written by the Senator from Illinois, his message of change being heard very soundly by millions of Americans, perhaps for the first time since John F. Kennedy back in 1960.  When he can win handily in a state such as Wisconsin, where so many hard working, decent middle Americans reside, many struggling in a difficult economy (recession?) what comes next?  PRESIDENT BARACK?

Obama's legacy is growing weekly (every Tuesday) and so many voters who have gone for Clinton will join the Obama believers and jump on the bandwagon come November!!!

It is exciting to live through this age, where the message of change and moving forward and the spirit of hope is shining through.  Verrrrrrrry interesting, remarkable indeed.

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Offline Queen Tokelove

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Re: OBAMANIA
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2008, 12:22:54 AM »
It would've been nice to see Hillary in office as the first woman Prez. I won't hate on Obama should he make it there, I just hope he lives to be Prez for the whole term. I remember when Jesse Jackson was running for Vice and someone was taking shots at him. There are still some people who can't handle a black man in the White House. Just saying....
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: OBAMANIA
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2008, 01:15:26 AM »
Looks like another blow out too, not just a win.  Right now he's got a 17% lead with 97% reporting.  Hillary is very quickly fading.
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Re: OBAMANIA
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2008, 01:40:18 AM »
It would've been nice to see Hillary in office as the first woman Prez. I won't hate on Obama should he make it there, I just hope he lives to be Prez for the whole term. I remember when Jesse Jackson was running for Vice and someone was taking shots at him. There are still some people who can't handle a black man in the White House. Just saying....

I am thinking EXACTLY the same thing! I would hesitate to use the A word but while I was talking to another friend about the US election the other day it suddenly came to me a feeling that some might just do that - taking shots at him. And if that is to happen it could happen after he becomes the definitive candidate for the Democrats but before he gets elected.
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: OBAMANIA
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2008, 01:51:54 AM »
Never fear.  He's had Secret Service protection during the entire campaign.

Anyway, he's half white so they'll only try and off his legs.
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Offline Cliff

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Re: OBAMANIA
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2008, 02:13:06 AM »
Hi Jody,

It's interesting to see what will happen.  He's wining states, but things are still so close.  I guess it will boil down to how they do in Texas and Ohio.  I suspect Clinton will win Texas and he'll take Ohio.  And then what???  They would make a good ticket, cause I don't see how the party will unite behind one candidate, given how bitter this campaign has been.

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Offline Queen Tokelove

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Re: OBAMANIA
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2008, 02:27:01 AM »
I agree Cliff all Prez are able to get assassinated but funny how no one took a shot at either Bush. And I just think that Obama will basically have a target on his back should he make it to the White House.
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Offline Queen Tokelove

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Re: OBAMANIA
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2008, 02:31:00 AM »
Never fear.  He's had Secret Service protection during the entire campaign.

Anyway, he's half white so they'll only try and off his legs.

He may be half white but he looks black to me. Hell, I am half Puerto Rican and folks still say I look black. No one is going to look at the white half. If you wouldn't have told me he was half white, I would've figured him for black. Oh well.....
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: OBAMANIA
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2008, 02:34:37 AM »
Clinton needs to win Ohio and Texas now by 65% just to reach delegate parity (taking out the superdelegates for now, as they can change their claims as primary votes change).  I just don't see wins that large happening for Hillary.  If people like Edwards and Gore come out and endorse Obama soon that will wildly change things.

Cliff, exit polling does not show this media proclaimed bitterness with primary voters.  They're voting for a candidate, yes, but they indicate they would support either eventual nominee.  I don't see this "unity" thing to be an issue later.
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: OBAMANIA
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2008, 02:35:21 AM »
He may be half white but he looks black to me. Hell, I am half Puerto Rican and folks still say I look black. No one is going to look at the white half. If you wouldn't have told me he was half white, I would've figured him for black. Oh well.....

Put the weed down, dear.  I was making a joke.
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Offline next2u

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Re: OBAMANIA
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2008, 02:37:52 AM »
i so want the dream ticket!!! it was hard enough to choose between them, can one please be vp and the other pres?? haha, that would be great.
yeah, and as for that whole half n half argument, we know it's bs. ask the queen. i just want a good candidate in office, regardless of their race/class/gender/orientation/etc...

all i got to say is a big FUCK BUSH and i'd vote for either democrat.
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Offline Queen Tokelove

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Re: OBAMANIA
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2008, 02:39:00 AM »
Put the weed down, dear.  I was making a joke.

What weed? I ain't smoking right now....LOL....I just took your word for it since you know your politics. It's your world, I'm just a squirrel trying to get a nut... ;)
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Offline next2u

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Re: OBAMANIA
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2008, 02:41:21 AM »
im not a squirrel but i'd love a nutt...
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Offline Queen Tokelove

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Re: OBAMANIA
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2008, 02:42:22 AM »
i so want the dream ticket!!! it was hard enough to choose between them, can one please be vp and the other pres?? haha, that would be great.
yeah, and as for that whole half n half argument, we know it's bs. ask the queen. i just want a good candidate in office, regardless of their race/class/gender/orientation/etc...

all i got to say is a big FUCK BUSH and i'd vote for either democrat.

Ask me what? The Queen knows her Green but doesn't know jack about politics. LOL@Next..You so crazy. I don't think I have the right nut for you, sweetie... ;)

(who is going to bed and dreaming about nuts, all kinds... ;) )
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Offline Cliff

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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2008, 05:48:22 AM »
Cliff, exit polling does not show this media proclaimed bitterness with primary voters.  They're voting for a candidate, yes, but they indicate they would support either eventual nominee.  I don't see this "unity" thing to be an issue later.
Yeah, you're probably right. 

To be honest, I don't think it would be a natural fit anyway.  I don't see either of them playing second fiddle to the other person, (and certainly don't see B. Clinton being the husband of a VP).  But you never know.

Offline J.R.E.

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Re: OBAMANIA
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2008, 07:38:32 AM »
what comes next?  PRESIDENT BARACK?

Jody


I really do believe so...


Clinton needs to win Ohio and Texas now by 65% just to reach delegate parity (taking out the superdelegates for now, as they can change their claims as primary votes change).  I just don't see wins that large happening for Hillary.  If people like Edwards and Gore come out and endorse Obama soon that will wildly change things.


I also believe Obama will have no problem winning in Ohio.


What a year, it's going to be....


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Offline Miss Philicia

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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2008, 07:49:49 AM »
For those here that are following this closely, now that we're down to a state like Ohio being pivotal you may find this article in yesterday's Wall Street Journal fairly interesting -- and perhaps disturbing in parts.  The gross underbelly of American politics (the dreaded "Reagan Democrats") that we're told pivot parties each election based on economic and national security issues, seems to actually subconsciously just slide around on the subjects of affirmative action and the feminist movement.

Clutch the pearls -- now why would they do such a thing? *snicker*  Seems on balance what we're seeing these days is that Whitey is less annoyed with a black man than with a woman (race neutral on the latter).

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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2008, 09:09:52 AM »
I personally hope Obama wins.  Hillary took way too much money from the drug companies to stop her 'national health care' campaign years ago and she also sat on the board of Wal-Mart.  I think that in itself makes her shadey. 
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Offline Miss Philicia

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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2008, 10:06:48 AM »
Yep.  Meanwhile Obama, fresh out of Harvard, could have easily landed high paying jobs in NYC law firms, but instead returned to the hard streets of inner city Chicago.

I like how the right wing has pumped up Obama as the Great Dragon Slayer of the Evil Witch, all  the time thinking still that Hillary would win the nomination but come out badly damaged by Obama, but instead it's going to backfire and now they'll have to actually run against a rock start politician that's drawing in three times the amount of voters in a purple state like Wisconsin than their candidate did for his primary.  In fact, Hillary scored more total votes in last nights primary than McCain did.  Nobody cares about that old fossil.
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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2008, 11:18:49 AM »
I'm quite amused with the Obama fainting women incidents.

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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2008, 11:58:55 AM »
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I am thinking EXACTLY the same thing! I would hesitate to use the A word but while I was talking to another friend about the US election the other day it suddenly came to me a feeling that some might just do that - taking shots at him. And if that is to happen it could happen after he becomes the definitive candidate for the Democrats but before he gets elected.

I agree.  I am thinking EXACTLY the same thing!.  And if it happens, it's going to set the country back 50 years.  I just can't see doing a 'do-over', going back to the riots of the 60's and the agony and turmoil that followed.

yeah, Cliff, assassination is always a possibility but, as Queenie says, Obama is going to have a big target on his back and the shock would be far greater than if it was Bush who caught the bullet.

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Offline Queen Tokelove

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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2008, 02:29:28 PM »
"Seems on balance what we're seeing these days is that Whitey is less annoyed with a black man than with a woman (race neutral on the latter)."

You really think so? I still don't think folks are ready for a black man in the White House, they may say they are but I think it's bs. And like Robert said, if Obama makes it and there's an assassination attempt or he is killed, it is going to cause some major drama.

Now if Ms. Hillary makes it, true there will be some gripes but those people( don't know what word to use because I am not Politically Correct) will still feel like the can pull some strings to make certain issues (pick one) go their way. Maybe I am wrong in saying this because I haven't followed the race all like that but I don't see Obama being anyone's token. I hate to make it all sound racial but in my mind I think it is. There may be no slavery but some things are still racially motivated, if that makes sense...
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Offline Miss Philicia

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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2008, 02:38:13 PM »
It's the context that's important here, Queen.  We're discussing a position of extreme power, and because Whitey is still the dominant culture in the US, we must look at it through Whitey's eyes.  And not just Whitey, but THE MAN.  Whitey man says to himself (in a nutshell) and let's simplify things and say it's something on the job... let's select something macho like construction foreman.  If Whitey Man has to choose as his new foreman a black man or a white woman, which will Whitey Man select?  I think clearly he's rather work under another man, even if he's black, than be emasculated by a white woman.  A working class white man doesn't like being emasculated by a woman.

You can see this all over on the primary election map wins.  The places Hillary has won are the more liberalized bastions -- places like California, Massachusetts and New York, where Whitey Man has been emasculated already.  Obama has won elsewhere where Whitey Man is still THE MAN.  This is why Obama will narrowly win the Dem nomination.  Now, I do not know how he will ultimately fare in November, and need more polling data for that.  I think McFossil can be defeated by Obama though, but it will be interesting to pull off.

Anyway, that's how it's shaping up in my eyes.  Sorry, I know it's rather warped and coarse to view things in this manner, and of course I wish it was not so, but alas here we are.
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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2008, 02:55:47 PM »
Darling, you have a valid point and did not look at it in a sexist light. Thanks for making that clear to me and I have to say your view trumps mine now that I think about it in that way. It will be interesting come November for sure and I will be sitting on the edge of my seat. This is almost as good as the Super Bowl... ::) ;D
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« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2008, 06:38:57 PM »
I really don't understand all this talk of assassinations.  It's like folks want the man killed.  What purpose does it serve other than to encourage the act itself?  He nor his family are obviously letting it stop him from running, so why should we be concerned?  Regan's ivory skin didn't prevent him from being shot.  I think Obama would prefer people focus on the issues and stop obsessing with his skin color. 

And all this "whitey" talk is a bunch of one dimensional crap.  And can we at least be respectful about it.  whitey???  Not cool.

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« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2008, 06:42:58 PM »
I've never been offended by racial slurs for white people. They sound so stupid to me its laughable.


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« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2008, 07:09:16 PM »
Lighten up, Cliff -- Queen started it.  It's not a word I normally use.  I prefer the word "honkey" because it's what we were called in high school.

That said, I'm really not one to think of assassinations.  I think we maintain a remarkable protective service in this country.
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« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2008, 09:42:35 PM »
The very first racial slur I ever heard was cracker. I was a military brat. We moved to Georgia when I was 5 years old. It was the first time I had lived outside of a military base. I had no clue people treated each other different because of color. It was a shocker to me.

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« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2008, 10:44:06 PM »
I am SO all about Barack!  It's time for a change and he is just the man to do it.  Plus, he is fine as hell, which doesn't hurt after looking at that asshole for the last 8 years!
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« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2008, 11:34:18 PM »
I like how the right wing has pumped up Obama as the Great Dragon Slayer of the Evil Witch, all  the time thinking still that Hillary would win the nomination but come out badly damaged by Obama, but instead it's going to backfire and now they'll have to actually run against a rock start politician that's drawing in three times the amount of voters in a purple state like Wisconsin than their candidate did for his primary.  In fact, Hillary scored more total votes in last nights primary than McCain did.  Nobody cares about that old fossil.

Yup.  And now the buzz in conservative talk radio is a lot about how "if Obama is elected...for the next four years, if he is ever opposed on anything, get ready for the racism cry at every turn!"  Heard that on the Neal Boortz show the other day immediately after commentary about how the pump up of Obama against Hillary worked too well. 

Also heard something in reference to the assassination thing, but I didn't catch it all.  The gist was that Doris Lessing had made some public statement about how if Obama gets elected, he will be assassinated.  I don't know anything beyond that.  If anyone has additional info on that, post it.  I'd be interested in reading more about that.

So...all the "rock star" stuff aside, are all of you really that confident in this man's abilities to lead the country?  He is, after all, a (less than) one full term senator.  Does he have the chops?  If so, why?
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« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2008, 12:20:02 AM »
John Edwards hadn't served a full term when he first ran and I don't recall this same line of questioning, but I hear it all of the time with Obama.  Why is that?

And what's the alternative?  Voting for a woman with tons of political baggage that voted for a war in an act of utter political cowardice, and still won't properly own up to it?  There are judgment issues to consider here, not actual experience.  He can learn on the job like everyone else, and barring that we can outsource it all.
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« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2008, 12:32:55 AM »
John Edwards hadn't served a full term when he first ran and I don't recall this same line of questioning, but I hear it all of the time with Obama.  Why is that?

And what's the alternative?  Voting for a woman with tons of political baggage that voted for a war in an act of utter political cowardice, and still won't properly own up to it?  There are judgment issues to consider here, not actual experience.  He can learn on the job like everyone else, and barring that we can outsource it all.

Oh, honey...don't get me wrong.  Just about anything would be a resounding step forward from here.  I'm white-knuckling it all the way to the end of W's term. 

And I'm not trying to put down Obama either.  I'm just interested in hearing what cements people's faith in him. 

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« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2008, 12:45:41 AM »
Oh boy, I was not trying to make it into a racial war or racial terms. I was just stating what happened when Jesse Jackson ran for VP back in the day. And I just feel like it could happen to Obama, I'm not wishing it on the man. I would like to believe that a black man could make it to the White House but I am realistic enough to know that some are not accepting of a black man being there. And true, Reagan did get shot. But then Philly made a good point when he said that people could deal better with a man being Prez than a woman. And that color would not factor into it.

I guess I should've just kept my non-political ass out of it. But if it makes anyone feel better to blame me then fine. I've been getting a lot of that anyway. I'll stick to the color I know best which is green. I will go to the nose bleed section and watch this thread from there.... Damn... ::)
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« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2008, 12:57:02 AM »
not being in the US, my knowledge is somewhat limited.. but as I see it, democrats are far more socially minded than the republicans... so whichever democrat wins, the people are winners (overall, maybe losing on some issues, but overall, MUCH better)... and you'd be in for a first for the US, a female president or a black president..

Just hope the republicans don't pull off a miracle!

Seems amusing sometimes, Australian TV news shows report on all the US primaries etc, and they report them as more important issues than stuff happening in australia!

Wouldn't it be cool if you got a black, jewish, transgendered, female president :-D (wouldn't that make the republicans turn! :-)


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« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2008, 01:00:41 AM »
Oh, honey...don't get me wrong.  Just about anything would be a resounding step forward from here.  I'm white-knuckling it all the way to the end of W's term. 

And I'm not trying to put down Obama either.  I'm just interested in hearing what cements people's faith in him. 

And the same question should have been asked of Edwards. 

Oh, I forgot.  I'm actually basing my vote for Obama on this youtube clip which surfaced last week:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY&e
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« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2008, 02:05:10 AM »
I'm not on the Obama band wagon, as of Feb 08.

I still remember Jimmy Carter too well. Much the same environment then as now.
We just came out of the Nixon years, and then Ford.
Carter too was a real nice guy, with promise.
But after taking the helm, everything went south.
Huge interest rates, loooong gas lines, and remember the
nightly news head-in "day 123, 124, 125 of the hostage crisis" day after day.

I also donít trust one republican that "claims" to be all for Obama. Its a trick.
Obama is pro choice, the very issue republicans will never accept.
Thats why they think all democrats are satans children.

Once the republican machine gears up against Obama, it will be 4 more years of republican rule,
under McCain. God help us all...

Hillary, on the other hand is a Clinton pit bull. Once she turns her sights at McCain,
he won't know what hit him. Obama would make a great vice, and still young enough for
a president in 2012 or 2016.

As much as the press seems to love Obamania today, they can and will turn on a dime
tomorrow. Heck, I still know many people that actually believed those nasty lying
Obama emails that made the rounds, stating Obama refused to say the pledge or that he
took the oath on the Koran, not the Bible. I fight and argue with them every day, and they refuse
to believe the truth. But they have no problem believing every nasty thing they read on
the net or in nasty emails about Obama.
Go figure.

Another problem I have with Obama is his stance on gay marriage.
He supports "civil unions", not marriage. Treating gays as less than equal, in my mind.
Obama seldom spoke of gay issues, unless directly asked, I noticed.
That was, until Ted Kennedy brought the issue up during his speech.
Then, Obama started addressing the issues. That seemed a bit off to me.

I just want someone that will hold up and beat McCain.
Iím not convinced Obama can do it once they begin to dissect his Obamania.

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« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2008, 02:21:27 AM »

Another problem I have with Obama is his stance on gay marriage.
He supports "civil unions", not marriage. Treating gays as less than equal, in my mind.

Please show me where Hillary's view differs from that.
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« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2008, 04:29:13 AM »
I'm not so sure Hillary can beat McCain, especially since she is struggling in the primaries.  She's run a pretty ineffective campaign (that alone should question her abilities to lead and inspire the nation as President).  And yes, her views are essentially the same as Obama on gay rights (plus it was her husband who signed the defense of marriage into law). 

Yes, she has more experience.  But it's her experience that makes me hesitant to vote for her.  Obama is a gamble, yes.  But it's one I'm prepared to take, to avoid more Clintonian crap for another 8 years.  It's the US not Pakistan.  Time to get away from these family dynasties.

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« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2008, 12:39:56 PM »
Oh, I forgot.  I'm actually basing my vote for Obama on this youtube clip which surfaced last week:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY&e


I think he's full of crap. That man is not even attractive.


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« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2008, 12:51:44 PM »
I think he's full of crap. That man is not even attractive.

AGREES.  Puh-leeze.  Obama's a fine looking man.  I just don't see him slumming with the likes of that.
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« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2008, 12:53:33 PM »
Well, of course I realize he's full of BS.  I just think it's funny that he put it up.  Evidently he's also filed a law suit against Obama, as I found all of this on Smoking Gun last week.

Oh, and when you click on one of that man's other youtube videos he REALLY reeks of out-of-work drag queen.
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« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2008, 01:18:22 PM »
Oh, and when you click on one of that man's other youtube videos he REALLY reeks of out-of-work drag queen.

Egads.  I actually spent a few moments of my life doing just that.  This is some real lunacy. 
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« Reply #42 on: February 21, 2008, 05:06:05 PM »
I'm not so sure Hillary can beat McCain, especially since she is struggling in the primaries.  She's run a pretty ineffective campaign (that alone should question her abilities to lead and inspire the nation as President).  And yes, her views are essentially the same as Obama on gay rights (plus it was her husband who signed the defense of marriage into law). 

Yes, she has more experience.  But it's her experience that makes me hesitant to vote for her.  Obama is a gamble, yes. 

I agree with Cliff here.  I was in Clinton's camp because I thought she had the better chance, but frankly I think her recent primary struggles, series of campaign mistakes (denying being behind the plagiarism accusation was really bad) and frankly the teamsters jumping ship sort of makes it seem apparent even if she were to win the primaries, she would come out significantly damaged with plenty of democrat supplied ammunition for the republicans.

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« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2008, 05:13:43 PM »
We will support Obama if it comes down to that because we will vote for the democratic nomination but Hillary has always been our pick and we just sent in our absentee ballots for her on Monday.  There was talk this morning on Sirius OutQ in the morning of a McCain/Rice ticket for the Republicans. I'm still hoping for a Clinton/Obama ticket for the Democrats.

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« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2008, 05:58:58 PM »
I'm not on the Obama band wagon, as of Feb 08.

I still remember Jimmy Carter too well. Much the same environment then as now.
We just came out of the Nixon years, and then Ford.
Carter too was a real nice guy, with promise.
But after taking the helm, everything went south.
Huge interest rates, loooong gas lines, and remember the
nightly news head-in "day 123, 124, 125 of the hostage crisis" day after day.

I also donít trust one republican that "claims" to be all for Obama. Its a trick.
Obama is pro choice, the very issue republicans will never accept.
Thats why they think all democrats are satans children.

Once the republican machine gears up against Obama, it will be 4 more years of republican rule,
under McCain. God help us all...

Hillary, on the other hand is a Clinton pit bull. Once she turns her sights at McCain,
he won't know what hit him. Obama would make a great vice, and still young enough for
a president in 2012 or 2016.

As much as the press seems to love Obamania today, they can and will turn on a dime
tomorrow. Heck, I still know many people that actually believed those nasty lying
Obama emails that made the rounds, stating Obama refused to say the pledge or that he
took the oath on the Koran, not the Bible. I fight and argue with them every day, and they refuse
to believe the truth. But they have no problem believing every nasty thing they read on
the net or in nasty emails about Obama.
Go figure.

Another problem I have with Obama is his stance on gay marriage.
He supports "civil unions", not marriage. Treating gays as less than equal, in my mind.
Obama seldom spoke of gay issues, unless directly asked, I noticed.
That was, until Ted Kennedy brought the issue up during his speech.
Then, Obama started addressing the issues. That seemed a bit off to me.

I just want someone that will hold up and beat McCain.
Iím not convinced Obama can do it once they begin to dissect his Obamania.


Wow, this pretty much captures everything I feel and fear.  Don't get me wrong, I'll support Obama but I'm very worried.  If he does get in, it'll be another Carter situation. 

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« Reply #45 on: February 21, 2008, 06:48:08 PM »
Is Obamas message of Change(change to what?) any different than Sllick Willys message in 92? It was change too wasnt it?
I prefer Obama to the Clintons and their class and race warfare games but as a conservative I really have no choice but to vote for another liberal ,big government,big spending Republican just like the two Bushes and deadman Bob Dole, McCain is no different. Just like the Bushes he will try and win by offering to cross the aisle and he will find nothing but misery as the Bushes have at their attempts in dealing with the anti American party.
To date we dont know what OBama means by change or what his changes will be but I have a good idea he will be as whacky as Algore and Lurch so most reasonable people have no choice but to vote for McCain.
Liberals must admit it is humorous watching the Clintons return to their old tactics,even throwing MLK under the bus. They have no class. I cant understand why any black American would ever vote for either Cliinton or any white Democrat for that matter. They have tried to keep blacks on the political plantation by every means available and now they call Obama a druggie. Biden called him a "clean one". Its good to finally find out who the real racists are.

If Obama can keep away from specifics and keep his wife locked up he should destroy McCain. McCains needs a young vibrant running mate. I like JC Watts, I always have,but libs and media would say Reps were playing race card if he was chosen. I only hope McCain puts a real conservative on the ticket, its his only chance.

It is exciting to see a candidate like Obama, someone who is not the party bosses first choice, with a chance to win. The only others who rose above the party machine in my life time were Carter and Reagan. Even though Carter was a horrible president,he was saddled with a terrible recession and high interest rates caused by NIxons price controls,I heard him speak before his election and he spoke with great passion sorta of like Obama. A walking corpse like Ford had no chance. Americans will always take great style over substance.

There are many things about McCain I dont like. He was the only republican involved in the Keating 5. He got off in a trade with Dems for John Glenn getting off.  He did McCain Feingold to cover his pasty white ass in a presidential race. It was an total abomination and trashing of the first amendment. He has fought conservatives  on just about every issue as long as he has been a republican. He was a Dem but changed when he saw that Reagan win. He has a terrible temper and often says shit that makes no sense. I remember him being very rude to Arnolds wife when she was working the last Presidential race. He has no class.

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« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2008, 07:02:19 PM »
McCains needs a young vibrant running mate. I like JC Watts, I always have,but libs and media would say Reps were playing race card if he was chosen. I only hope McCain puts a real conservative on the ticket, its his only chance.

He's going to pick Tim Pawlenty I think.

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« Reply #47 on: February 21, 2008, 07:22:40 PM »
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« Reply #48 on: February 21, 2008, 09:04:30 PM »
Here's the ONE great reason to vote for Obama!  CLICK QUICKLY!

http://bushclintonforever.googlepages.com/
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« Reply #49 on: February 21, 2008, 10:37:41 PM »
Here's the ONE great reason to vote for Obama!  CLICK QUICKLY!

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