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Author Topic: We may never find vaccine for AIDS  (Read 3429 times)

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Online Dachshund

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We may never find vaccine for AIDS
« on: February 16, 2008, 09:14:43 AM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/15/aids.medicalresearch?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront


Caltech's Nobel winning biologist David Baltimore, who won the prize for his 1975 discovery of an enzyme later proven to be part of HIV's reproductive mechanism, said yesterday that science is no closer to creating an effective vaccine for HIV than they were 25 years ago and that a vaccine may never be found.

edited to add:

oops, I see this topic is posted in research. mods feel free to delete or merge.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2008, 09:19:15 AM by Dachshund »

Offline ARMANDO

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Re: We may never find vaccine for AIDS
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2008, 09:19:00 AM »
there is no money in a cure!!!

Offline komnaes

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Re: We may never find vaccine for AIDS
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2008, 09:54:58 AM »
I have somehow always not expected to see a vaccine in my life time.. with or without HIV. There are still many infectious diseases out there that do not have a 100% proof vaccine. What I hope is to see cheap, non-toxic and effective regiment of meds that can reduce HIV to such a tolerable level that one's life can more or less be assured of total normalcy with manageable side effects. In other words, HIV will become just another "social disease" that can be treated effectively by cheap and readily available meds for everyone.

there is no money in a cure!!!

It's been argued many times, and just to put my position forward - the above, respectfully, is BS..

Shaun
Aug 07 Diagnosed
Oct 07 CD4=446(19%) Feb 08 CD4=421(19%)
Jun 08 CD4=325(22%) Jul 08 CD4=301(18%)
Sep 08 CD4=257/VL=75,000 Oct 08 CD4=347(16%)
Dec 08 CD4=270(16%)
Jan 09 CD4=246(13%)/VL=10,000
Feb 09 CD4=233(15%)/VL=13,000
Started meds Sustiva/Epzicom
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Online Miss Philicia

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Re: We may never find vaccine for AIDS
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2008, 04:11:55 PM »
Frankly this has always been one of my operating assumptions, which is why I've always refused to fixate on the subject unlike some folks.

However, I'm quite optimistic in wildly improving treatments now.

And yes, the "no money in a cure" conspiracy theorists are full of BS.

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n his address Baltimore also attacked George Bush's record on science. "There has been an attempt to suppress government scientists from speaking out, there has been control of what scientists can go to scientific meetings and give talks - something totally unknown to us in previous years. That kind of attempt to control scientific information will, I hope, end with the Bush administration."

The NERVE of this man!
« Last Edit: February 16, 2008, 04:14:04 PM by philly267 »
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Offline achim-martin

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Re: We may never find vaccine for AIDS
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2008, 05:22:11 PM »
By the end of the 19th century increasing traffic in New York City meant rising figures in horses. That meant an increasing amount of horseshit and scientists of that time seriously predicted that New York would be under a 100 foot shitcover within the next decade. And the result?
A lot of shit, but not on the streats... ;D

Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: We may never find vaccine for AIDS
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2008, 05:26:00 PM »
there is no money in a cure!!!

Rot. By this simplistic logic, there would have been no attraction to curing syphilis, preventing polio by vaccine or eradicating smallpox.

All these things have been done.

MtD

Offline Coffeechick88

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Re: We may never find vaccine for AIDS
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2008, 02:03:39 PM »
I have never thought that there would be a vaccine or even a cure.  I don't think it is some big conspiracy by the pharmaceutical companies or anything wacky like that, but from what I know about HIV, I just don't see it happening.  I have accepted that fact and I am not going to live my life obsessing over it.  I also hope to see treatments that are cheaper and more available to everyone and don't have the major side effects that can happen.  I am greatful that I am not one who has had to deal with that on my regimine and am able to live a pretty normal life and have a normal pregnancy, but I know I am an ideal case and not what is typical.  More people should be able to get that from their regimine and hopefully that can happen in the future.
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Offline DanielMark

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Re: We may never find vaccine for AIDS
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2008, 04:58:42 AM »
I have never thought that there would be a vaccine or even a cure.  I don't think it is some big conspiracy by the pharmaceutical companies or anything wacky like that, but from what I know about HIV, I just don't see it happening.  I have accepted that fact and I am not going to live my life obsessing over it.

Coffeechick,

You took the words right out of my mouth. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, just that I'm not going to waste whatever time I have left dwelling on it. What good would that do?

Daniel
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Offline poz1970

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Re: We may never find vaccine for AIDS
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2008, 12:49:53 AM »
I learnt years ago, with my first partner... Ignore all the 'news flash', 'miracle cure' stories that the media sensationalize .. wait until it is reported by something credible... slowly I've taught my parter this too... Years ago there was the whole "ozone therapy cures hiv/aids", and many other fads.. so I'll wait for my doctor to tell me about it, and won't get too excited about anything I read :-)


J
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Offline DanielMark

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Re: We may never find vaccine for AIDS
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2008, 05:33:05 AM »
That's a good attitude J,

I do believe once an actual vaccine or cure is found, there will be no avoiding hearing about it from credible sources. It will be everywhere. In the meantime, Iíll just live life as best I can, and not waste any of it wishing upon a star. Otherwise, I might have wasted the nearly two decades since my diagnosis and made life more difficult for nothing.

Daniel
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VL STILL UNDETECTABLE

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Offline pozguy75

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Re: We may never find vaccine for AIDS
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2008, 09:42:33 AM »
I guess attitude is this: it's too late for me in regards to a vaccine now, so I don't give it much thought. Better treatment sure, I will hold out for that, cure, I am not so sure, so I am not going to hold my breath.

I can't focus on the would of, could of, should of crap, I only have today, and today is what I am living for.

Just my two cents!
Jeromy
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Offline aztecan

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Re: We may never find vaccine for AIDS
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2008, 11:03:50 AM »
Back in the early days, I used to hope for cure, or at least a vaccine.

But that was a long time ago. Now, I don't waste my time or energy on those ideas.

I am just grateful treatments have improved, though I am still curious what the long-term effects of some of them will be.

Basically, I just just take it a day at a time and hope for the best.

HUGS,

Mark
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~ William Ellery Channing (Unitarian Minister)

Offline BT65

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Re: We may never find vaccine for AIDS
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2008, 11:09:57 AM »
Basically, I just just take it a day at a time and hope for the best.

HUGS,

Mark


That's the only way to do things.  I myself never thought there would be a cure.  I really don't even think about it now.  Just take the meds and keep going.
I've never killed anyone, but I frequently get satisfaction reading the obituary notices.-Clarence Darrow

Offline DanielMark

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Re: We may never find vaccine for AIDS
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2008, 03:50:58 PM »
Mark,

Learning that one day Ė this day Ė is all anyone can count on was an invaluable lesson for me to learn. I try not to waste any of them on what ifs and whys.

Iím also grateful that treatments have improved, and I'm glad I held off taking the meds I was being encouraged to take back in 1988. I'm in awe that you and others got through and survived those years actually.

Daniel
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Offline Iggy

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Re: We may never find vaccine for AIDS
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2008, 03:54:31 PM »

Iím also grateful that treatments have improved, and I'm glad I held off taking the meds I was being encouraged to take back in 1988. I'm in awe that you and others got through and survived those years actually.


I was just writing a post and saw what Daniel just wrote - and feel it says it best. 

Offline BT65

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Re: We may never find vaccine for AIDS
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2008, 07:33:40 PM »
I'm in awe that you and others got through and survived those years actually.

Daniel

Most of us almost didn't (survive).
I've never killed anyone, but I frequently get satisfaction reading the obituary notices.-Clarence Darrow

Offline DanielMark

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Re: We may never find vaccine for AIDS
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2008, 06:55:00 AM »
And that was and is a tragedy, Betty.

It's also why I am grateful that I refused to go along with the status quo of those days, despite the  objections of my doctors.

Daniel
MEDS: REYATAZ & KIVEXA (SINCE AUG 2008)

MAY 2000 LAB RESULTS: CD4 678
VL STILL UNDETECTABLE

DIAGNOSED IN 1988

 


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