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Offline thunter34

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« on: February 04, 2008, 05:26:13 PM »
Privacy and freedom are sinking faster than a stone in this country. 

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/02/04/fbi.biometrics/index.html
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Re: This Thread Title Hidden In The Interest Of Privacy
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2008, 06:12:18 PM »
Keeping track of terrorists, my ass. That's just what they want people to think. I think it's time for me to move to another country.... :(
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Re: This Thread Title Hidden In The Interest Of Privacy
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2008, 07:00:39 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2008, 07:04:07 PM »
I knew I shouldn't have gotten visible tattoos.  Seriously, I'm sure there will be many mistakes made and innocent people the objects of the terrorist-government we have.  Pretty soon one won't even be able to take a shit without worrying about being spied on.
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Re: This Thread Title Hidden In The Interest Of Privacy
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2008, 07:08:31 PM »


Just like when Ed and I went to Universal Studios in Orlando, a while back. I didn't like it that everyone walking through the main gate had their fingerprint scanned. Didn't like it at all.


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Re: This Thread Title Hidden In The Interest Of Privacy
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2008, 08:49:32 PM »
I hate the way some banks want me to stamp my thumb when I cash a check.  If possible, I just cash it at my bank, which doesn't require that.  Besides, why do I want to put my thumb in this damp inky pad where every other nose-picker puts theirs?

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Offline anniebc

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Re: This Thread Title Hidden In The Interest Of Privacy
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2008, 09:07:52 PM »
In 1949 George Orwell wrote the novel "1984"..little did he know when he said "it's set in a world beyond our imaginings"...how things would change


The plot:

"The Ministry of Truth broadcasts ceaselessly to the population via its inescapable network of telescreens, these devices, which pervade all aspects of peoples' lives, are also capable of monitoring their every word and action"

As 404 said..Big Brother is watching you.

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Re: This Thread Title Hidden In The Interest Of Privacy
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2008, 09:22:55 PM »
I don't think the government can hold a candle to the damage that can be done to one's privacy by individuals.  You would be amazed at what certain people feel is fair game for a laugh, attention, or even to settle some score known only to them.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2008, 09:32:21 PM by Iggy »

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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2008, 09:30:06 PM »
HOLY CRAP!! THAT'S WHERE I LIVE!!  I just drove through there 15 minutes ago!  I have friends who work there. 

I'm with Queen - it's time we found a new country.

Mum - who is very disturbed that this is starting in the back woods of her home state.
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2008, 09:37:05 PM »
I don't have a problem with it nor do I really have a reason to be concerned. I haven't done any to be worried about. Those of us that belonged to Stonewall Union already have an FBI file.

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2008, 09:44:06 PM »
Never fear! 

We have the "Privacy & Civil Rights Oversight Board" to protect us!!

http://www.privacyboard.gov/

Oh wait...never mind. 

According to Keith Olbermann tonight, their terms expired last Wednesday, and Bush has yet to extend them or appoint new board members.



Offline northernguy

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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2008, 02:18:17 AM »
Keeping track of terrorists, my ass. That's just what they want people to think. I think it's time for me to move to another country.... :(

Is Canada calling :)

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Offline Queen Tokelove

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Re: This Thread Title Hidden In The Interest Of Privacy
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2008, 02:22:05 AM »
Is Canada calling :)

http://www.cic.gc.ca/EnGLIsh/immigrate/index.asp

I thought about Canada but I'm not fond of the cold. I need a warmer climate. ;)
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Re: This Thread Title Hidden In The Interest Of Privacy
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2008, 08:05:31 AM »
I don't think the government can hold a candle to the damage that can be done to one's privacy by individuals.  You would be amazed at what certain people feel is fair game for a laugh, attention, or even to settle some score known only to them.

I agree, Iggy.

Offline pozniceguy

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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2008, 11:43:41 AM »
Having been in the Military and worked for a Govmt contractor I can say with certainty that I have a big file in some database....I happen to know that many/ most European countries have already done many of the things the FBI  is proposing..England probably leads the world along with the Israelis and Germans.as the leaders in this type of "surveillance"  and of course our Russian friends have long had the KGB which attempted to do this with massive spy networks......I don't find this particular issue to be especially frightening since it is almost already in place and most of it has been for years.....anyone been dragged off in the middle of the night???

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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2008, 04:40:04 PM »
Quote
Having been in the Military and worked for a Govmt contractor I can say with certainty that I have a big file in some database....I happen to know that many/ most European countries have already done many of the things the FBI  is proposing..England probably leads the world along with the Israelis and Germans.as the leaders in this type of "surveillance"  and of course our Russian friends have long had the KGB which attempted to do this with massive spy networks......I don't find this particular issue to be especially frightening since it is almost already in place and most of it has been for years.....anyone been dragged off in the middle of the night???

You're comparing the U.S. government to the likes of Israel and Russia while at the same time saying it's nothing to be worried about?  Wow.
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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2008, 05:20:45 PM »
I obviously hit some sort of chord .....what I said was that England is most likely the leader in this type of surveillance...followed by Germany and Israel ,Russia depends on the  "spy on your neighbor type of system" This doesn't appear to be that kind of proposal.
The Israelis have good reason to be very cautious and the Germans think they have good reason.   The Brits have had security issues with all sorts of "immigrants" ( both legal and illegal) for many years and have been subject to many bombings,threats and other other security issues and their "security systems" have become very high tech with all the face matching and other biometrics the FBI is still just proposing

In spite of trying the FBI never seems to keep much "secret" for very long...so trying to surreptitiously put this system in place would  fail......with all the info currently available about any legitimate citizen , from birth records ,drivers licence ,residence address, school records, job applications, pharmacy records,hospital records, etc,to social security numbers.. collecting another piece ( biometric data ) doesn't seem to be too much of a issue to me.... as long as the process is open and understood  , It may  be for non citizens though!!!!

Nick
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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2008, 05:22:23 PM »
Eh...working for the company I work for, I had to submit my finger prints to the FBI already...they know me...
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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2008, 05:38:06 PM »
Jeromy  I am sure you realize that you are just one of the millions on file that can be scanned by any police dept,govt agency and a few private companies with a subscription to the data base.   They will know where you live, work ,have a drivers license and other pertinent info....  do you think having a biometric ( eye scan, palm print or other ) will make any difference?

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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2008, 05:40:58 PM »
I swear...I really just don't get some of you people at all sometimes.  "Meh....they want my DNA....so what?"  

Honestly...I just don't see how you can't look just a wee bit forward with stuff like this.  Did any of you notice that little part about how the FBI intends to set up a kick back program to narc on you to your employers immediately if you ever happen to get arrested?  

What staggers me most is that so many of you will just say..."Simple.  Just don't get arrested."

As if the principle itself simply doesn't matter.  People seem ever so ready to say that employers are entitled to absolutely any info on you they want because they pay your salary.  Well, Big Fucking Deal.  They pay your salary because you do a job for them.  It's a trade off, not a one way street.

And, no...I don't know of anyone personally that's been taken away in the middle of the night.  That doesn't mean I want to make it as absolutely easy as possible for it to happen to anyone in the future.  

Each time something like this is just allowed, it sets the precedent for the next go around.  

Personally, it just freaks my shit out.  
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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2008, 05:43:31 PM »
Yes, Nick...I DO think it will make a difference.  I mean...what kind of rationale is that?!  "They have some, so why not just let them have everything?"

What the hell?

It's one thing to have where you live on file.  It's another to be able to use things like retina scans to detect where you are at any given instant. 

This shit is creepy.  And the willingness people have to just hand it over is even creepier.
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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2008, 06:21:57 PM »
I am pleased to have sparked some discussion on a great subject......other than not liking the proposed items  what would any of you recommend to try to distinguish who the "illegals" or other surreptitious characters are????   

BTW I do consider the collection of this data to be "invasive" but my point was that since birth lots of data has been collected that I cannot erase/ modify or control  so the damage has been done......

anyone with good alternative suggestions????

Nick
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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2008, 06:45:01 PM »
Everyone is making a mountain out of a mole hill on this. You know, they can trace the birth place of a cow with mad cow disease straight back to the barn it was born in, but yet they can't stop illegals and terrorists because people will start bitching about their Privacy. Then when something happens, those same people that bitched about their Privacy are going to bitch the loudest and ask, how could this have happened. I'm for making this country as safe as possible and if it infringes on some that are worried about their backgrounds so be it.

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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2008, 06:53:42 PM »
Though I know that they basically have what ever information they want and can get it anyway, I'm still in agreement with Thunter on this one.

Maybe what is scary is not what they can do but what we just shrug off that they already do.

There is that anecdote that comes to mind: If you put a frog in a pot of boiling water it will jump out, but if you put it in a pot of cool water and slowly heat it up, it will boil to death.

Now excuse me while I check on dinner.

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« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2008, 07:19:07 PM »
Here we only cook "Frog Legs," not the whole frog.  ;)

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« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2008, 07:51:38 PM »
I swear...I really just don't get some of you people at all sometimes.  "Meh....they want my DNA....so what?" 


Tim, I'm sure you've obliged and given a DNA sample once or twice...   ;)
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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2008, 07:52:53 PM »
Tim, I'm sure you've obliged and given a DNA sample once or twice...   ;)

You can be a real cooze, you know that?   ;D
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« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2008, 08:39:35 PM »
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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2008, 10:30:14 PM »
You can be a real cooze, you know that?   ;D

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« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2008, 11:15:38 PM »
Maybe what is scary is not what they can do but what we just shrug off that they already do.

There is that anecdote that comes to mind: If you put a frog in a pot of boiling water it will jump out, but if you put it in a pot of cool water and slowly heat it up, it will boil to death.

Now excuse me while I check on dinner.

I am so with you on this, Iggy. Very well said.
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