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Offline blackcat25

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Risks of Oral Sex
« on: January 22, 2008, 07:17:23 PM »
Based on your knowledge are there certain situations in which Oral Sex would be risky?  (a man performing oral sex on a man)

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2008, 07:33:27 PM »
Well there is a theoretical risk that someone performing unprotected oral sex on an HIV positive man could be infected, but there has never been a documented case of this happening in the 25+ years of the AIDS pandemic.

People have real sex not theoretical sex and so I don't see it as a particular concern.

The real risks for HIV transmission are unprotected anal and vaginal sex and sharing contaminated injecting equipment such as needles and syringes.

Please take the time to read our Welcome Thread and follow the links to our Lessons to learn more about how HIV is and is not transmitted.

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Offline blackcat25

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2008, 08:11:35 PM »
Is that true?

I've read multiple sites on this topic (GMHC, SFAF, Thebody.com, CDC) they say while the risk is low there HAVE been documented cases or Oral Sex when performing fellatio on a man.

What is the source of your information that says there has never been a documented case?

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2008, 08:18:07 PM »
I've no doubt that you've been reading this stuff in a number of places and I'm not here to explain why any of those outfits make such claims.

To the best of my knowledge there have been no documented irrefutably proved cases of HIV being transmitted via oral sex. There are documented cases of people claiming to have been infected in such a manner, but such cases are anecdotal. They don't prove anything.

Now, do you have a specific risk or incident you'd like to discuss with us?

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2008, 09:37:32 PM »
The cases which Matty referred to are ones where there was mixed reporting which made the validity of the claim to infection via giving oral to a guy very questionable. Things like uncertain memory due to drinking and other causes such as shame about other risks make the claims less than credible.   

Certain factors like poor oral care in the person doing the sucking and/or whether ejaculation takes place could "theoretically" raise the risk.

What it comes down to is what level of risk you are prepared to accept. It's important to note that the saliva of the person sucking provides a very effective barrier against transmission. If it's too worrisome for you then suck using a condom. I personally know of sero-discordant couples where there's been unprotected oral without transmission occuring. And the longterm studies of discordant couples, both gay and straight totally support that giving oral is not a risk because not a single sero-negative partner has become infected.

Like I said, it's your choice. 
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Offline blackcat25

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2008, 06:57:44 PM »
What if you were exposed to blood?

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2008, 07:12:41 PM »
bc,

Unless you're in the habit of punching someone in the mouth before they give you a blowjob, or gnawing and biting down hard on knobs when you give, then you're not going to encounter any dangerous amounts of blood.

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2008, 11:27:48 AM »
my partners penis had a cut on it, and I got a small amount in my mouth.  Not sure how much, but he was bleeding.....I'm very worried.....

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2008, 11:41:53 AM »
bc,

Test if you want, but I would not expect anything other than a negative result. If he was cut badly enough to warrant a real concern, he would have been in too much pain for a blowjob. Seriously. Given the antiviral properties of saliva, you're worrying over nothing. But as I say, test if you want. Knowing your accurate status is never a bad thing.

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2008, 11:52:35 AM »
He did pull out quickly because he was in pain....

Why are you sure of a negative result, when you have HIV + blood in someones mouth?

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2008, 12:41:01 PM »
bc,

Because it's more of a theoretical risk than something that happens in the real world. If there's doubt in your mind, test. However, I'm confident of a negative result. As long as you've been using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, I fully expect you to test negative. It's your call whether you test or not.

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2008, 01:41:37 PM »
thanks for the help Ann-

I do always use condoms, very much limit my partners....I just can't believe I've put myself in this position.

sorry to be a bother

Offline blackcat25

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2008, 11:34:55 AM »
Should I be concerned?

I am concerned that my lymph nodes are swelling, however I haven't had a fever....would you expect a fever to come about at the same time your lymph nodes began to swell?

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2008, 11:59:31 AM »
Swollen lymph nodes happen for all sorts of reasons. They are absolutely NOT an HIV specific occurence. If ARS occurs, all the symptoms happen simultaneously, but because they resemble other illnesses symptoms are never the way to know about HIV status reliably.

If there has been a serious risk and we would not consider your incident to be such, then getting tested at 13 weeks is the only way to have a conclusive result.

I wouldn't consider testing necessary in relation to this incident. But if you're going to continue to worry about it then get tested at 13 weeks and collect what I certainly expect will be a negative result. As for your swollen lymphn nodes, that is something to do discuss with your doctor if they persist. I don't see this as an HIV situation.

Cheers,
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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2008, 10:57:47 AM »
I received oral sex from another man about a 10 days ago, I did not perform oral sex on him, however I did bite my tounge which started to bleed while we were kissing.

Anyways, about a week later I felt a burning when urinating and I'm giong to the doctor today.  I'm very scared this is an STD and that has brought up all my HIV anxities again....

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2008, 12:13:24 PM »
This is not an HIV concern. You do not contract HIV from receiving a blowjob and you don't contract HIV from kissing.

Offline blackcat25

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2008, 01:43:12 PM »
It has been about 7 weeks since I possibly got infected blood in my mouth, here is the situation:

I contracted NGU about two weeks ago from receiving Oral Sex, from someone else I believe.  At that time the doctor check the lymphs in my groin and neck, he said they were not swollen.

I have not had a fever, sore throat, or any other symptom in the past seven weeks that would be classfied as ARS type, do I stilll need testing in 6 weeks?

Thanks guys.

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2008, 01:57:46 PM »
Are you reading the responses you have received or are you just running your scared tape over and over?

I've already told you that I didn't consider testing necessary for this incident. If you need to do it for peace of mind then do so and collect the inevitable negative result.
Andy Velez

Offline blackcat25

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2008, 03:29:03 PM »
Sorry Andy -  When you have a potential to contract a disease that could significantly alter your life forever, and you are always classified as being a "high risk" group, it tends to make a person gun shy.

I went ahead and contacted the person that this all happened with, he assured me he was HIV negative, I also called a hotline and they said I have nothing to worry about.

Can I move on with my life? 
Have you ever heard of someone on the message boards having an Oral HIV risk and coming back positive? 
How many people do you know in real life or on here that have contracted it by getting blood in their mouth?
Have their been any Occupational Exposures, infections from getting blood in the mouth?

I think once I know those questions I cna move on with my life.

Thanks

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2008, 04:04:33 PM »
No, I have never known of anyone to become infected through getting blood in their mouth. Period.



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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2008, 11:41:50 AM »
I came across gudielines from the CDC saying PEP should be considered with blood exposure to mucus membranes (eyes, nose, mouth, etc.)  why are they reccomending PEP and you are saying no risk?

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2008, 11:50:42 AM »
I came across gudielines from the CDC saying PEP should be considered with blood exposure to mucus membranes (eyes, nose, mouth, etc.)  why are they reccomending PEP and you are saying no risk?

The CDC is a gov't agency that operates in extreme CYA (Cover Your Ass) Mode, and as such, ventures a lot further into "theoretical" territory.  This site here?  It sticks strictly to real world evidence.  Also remember that the CDC as it is now is beholden to a very conservative (read: fear-mongering & unrealistic) approach to sexuality and sexual health. 

And just a note to the side, hon:  You can ask for advice and we're happy to give it.  We are not, however, in the business of having to defend our advice over and over against each and every website people run to.  You ask, we tell you.  It's up to you to believe or don't.

I'm a little groggy right now.  Hope this reads properly enough for you to get the gist of what I'm trying to communicate.  Basically, accept the advice you've been given & stop letting panic get the better of you.
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Offline blackcat25

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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2008, 01:16:26 PM »
I appreciate the advice.

Ann/Andy-  Have you ever heard of this, or something like this happening?  Do you have any additional perspective?


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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2008, 01:20:30 PM »
I appreciate the advice.

Ann/Andy-  Have you ever heard of this, or something like this happening?  Do you have any additional perspective?



They've already told you.  You're just fishing for replies now, cat.

No, I have never known of anyone to become infected through getting blood in their mouth. Period.




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Re: Risks of Oral Sex
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2008, 02:10:17 PM »
We've answered your concern clearly and to the point. You were not at risk. Perid. There's no need for testing.

You need to make a real effort to give this up and get on with your life. Really. And please don't come back and say it's hard because you keep having thoughts that scare you. Thoughts and feelings are not facts. They just come and go. You weren't at risk. You weren't at risk. Period. End of story. 
Andy Velez

 


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