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Offline Dachshund

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Re: world war 3
« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2006, 04:23:49 PM »
Let me get this straight...the USA sells arms to Israel...Israel drops bombs on Lebanon...we promise to send humanitarian aid to Lebanon an on an on an on an on an on an on an on an on.................................................................

Offline dario

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Re: world war 3
« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2006, 04:40:24 PM »
dachsund,

Bravo!  Perfect comment!!  Indeed, Americans sell arms to Saudis as well!  It is called CAPITALISM.

Ironically the only "enemy" of the USA that was "defeated" without a single bullet being fired was the Soviet Union!  Do you remember the mighty USSR?  It dismantled itself spontaneously without a single US or Nato soldier invading Soviet soil.  That was really bad news for the armament market in the US.  Anyway, there were still enough wars around for the capitalists to keep selling ...

Yet, Dachsund, the quarrels of the Semites (Arabs vs Jews) are VERY COMPLICATED. 

salaam al'eik
d
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Offline Cliff

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Re: world war 3
« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2006, 04:45:54 PM »
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the website you have linked in this forum is clearly biased.  I can look at the website and see that the information provided was cherry-picked by the authors (so no it's not a sample of mainstream tv stations as you say, because a sample would include all views and topics, not just those the author wants you to see, while conveniently excluding those he/she doesn't want you to see).  

I can see how inflammatory the views presented and can easily guess that the person(s) behind the website has an agenda.  And I can also guess that the agenda is to provide the most inflammatory message they can find, and present it as views commonly held by all Arabs.  I can also surmise that the same author would NOT include inflammatory views held by Israelis.

Do you know anything about the organization or the person behind that website?  I'd be interested in knowing who they are.
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Hal,

You forgot one small step.

The USA government gives Israel $3 billion a year to buy arms, the USA then allows its corporations to sell arms to Israel using guess what...the same $3 billion we just gave them...funny how that works!

And guess whose stock, (and net income), is gonna rise the longer this war lasts?

Offline Dachshund

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Re: world war 3
« Reply #53 on: July 24, 2006, 04:46:03 PM »



                      PERPETUAL WAR......PERPETUAL PROFIT

Offline jack

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Re: world war 3
« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2006, 04:57:37 PM »
a biased website? who would have thunk it? find me one US TV station or website that is notbiased in one direction or the other. I think  dario's point is that these clips were televised or printed at all.
Anyone falling for the case of Israel using excess force is a sucker. Thats what the Syrians and Iranians want. They were hoping to get the usual reaction from UN,europe,and US, criticism of Israel. This is the first time I can remember US not falling for this ploy.

Offline Dachshund

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Re: world war 3
« Reply #55 on: July 24, 2006, 04:57:55 PM »
dachsund,

Bravo!  Perfect comment!!  Indeed, Americans sell arms to Saudis as well!  It is called CAPITALISM.

Ironically the only "enemy" of the USA that was "defeated" without a single bullet being fired was the Soviet Union!  Do you remember the mighty USSR?  It dismantled itself spontaneously without a single US or Nato soldier invading Soviet soil.  That was really bad news for the armament market in the US.  Anyway, there were still enough wars around for the capitalists to keep selling ...

Yet, Dachsund, the quarrels of the Semites (Arabs vs Jews) are VERY COMPLICATED. 

salaam al'eik
d

We upgraded from bullets to surface to air missiles supplied by the USA to the mujaheddin in Afghanistan. Armament makers in the USA in the 80's were living the high life. Russia is back...bigger and badder and as repressive as ever.

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Re: world war 3
« Reply #56 on: July 24, 2006, 05:07:36 PM »
oy vey.
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Offline dario

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Re: world war 3
« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2006, 05:12:59 PM »
Hal,
I agree ... Russia is back and slightly badder.  (But not that bigger).

I hope you are not one of those Americans who believe that the Soviet Union broke down because the Americans helped the Mujahedin defeat the Russians in Afghanistan.  If anything, the Americans there created Bin Laden! (Sometimes capitalism has its boomerang effects).

D
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Cliff,
I agree perfectly with you that Memri TV is biased!   The only reason I put that link was because I guess that many here (unlike myself) do not understand Arabic and on that site there are translations and transcripts in english.  You may well want to link diretly to Al-Jazeera, Lebanon TV etc ... and see and hear for yourself.  But you would need a translator that sits next to you ...

ciao bello!
dario
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Offline Cliff

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Re: world war 3
« Reply #58 on: July 24, 2006, 06:12:35 PM »
Russia is only powerful again because of high oil and gas prices.  Once prices drop...okay, if prices drop,  there goes the comeback kid.  Russia will just be one of the few nations that's actually going backwards, (as in decaying infrastructure, population decreases and increasing crime/corruption).  Plus it will be bankrupt, like it was in the 90s.  But I do like Putin's stride.  The man can walk.

Putin wants to buy up one of Britain's gas companies and has all but threatened to cut off gas supplies to Europe, if he doesn't get his way.  Can we say oil embargo, aka 70s style?

Offline jack

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Re: world war 3
« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2006, 07:26:47 PM »
dario, i dont understand how capitalism was the cause of Bin Laden? It is true that US support of afgans via paks created bin and his hoodlums, but the war was waged by one man, charlie wilson from east texas. He used politics to buy the support of Tip oniel and of course Casey couldn't resist a chance to fuck with the ruskies since it was supported by dems and thus gave him protection. At the same time we were supplying freedom fighters in central america against the ruskies. Charlies war in afganistan was more secret than the central american war. The irony is overwhelming. We created Bin and his bunch and they were still using our arms when we invaded after 911.
The Russian military lost much credibility and heart in afganistan.

Offline Jody

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Re: world war 3
« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2006, 08:20:17 PM »
KILL ALL THE HEZBOLLAH, KILL ALL THE HAMAS, KILL, KILL, KILL...Unfortunatley this line of thought and action just breeds more and more hatred, kill one and create 10 more and where or where does it all end???

It has reached a point where I don't even want to watch the news these days, it is way too depressing...Usually I get home and watch the end of the local news and the start of the World News but tonight, after burying myself in my work today, I just put on some soothing, light jazz music and went to the gym to exercise a bit.

I have become a bit numb (not by choice mind you) to world affairs- Death, displacement, dismemberment, destruction, disdain, it has become intolerable.

I think back to the movie "Brazil", a rather dark film...Long before the movie one of the characters was a matriarch of either the Tate or Campbell family in the TV show "Soap" which was the first we saw of Billy Crystal who ironically played a gay guy named Jody...Anyway this actress was in Brazil and she is doing lunch with the ladies in a time and place with great political turmoil and violence...So a bomb goes off in the restaurant, not too far from where they are seated and people are killed and maimed and ambulances come and there is total chaos at that end of the restaurant but she and the ladies don't even skip a beat, not even a glance over or a pause in conversation, they just continue to eat and gossip like nothing ever happened.

I don't ever want to become like that.

Jody  :'(
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Re: world war 3
« Reply #61 on: July 24, 2006, 09:37:06 PM »
I remember Brazil...I agree...I don't ever want to end up like that.
"I married a German. Every night I dress up as Poland and he invades me. "
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Offline AldousOrwell

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Re: world war 3
« Reply #62 on: July 25, 2006, 09:36:17 AM »
Brazil a cool movie, directed by a guy from Minnesota who hung out with a bunch of English guys.

The actress you describe is Katherine Helmond by the way.

It foretold the future in a dystopian way. I was criticized for making the same point about HIV, yet people champion this film in terms of people lacking compassion when it comes to everything else. Interesting.

Aldous Orwell

 


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