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Offline Ann

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #50 on: January 18, 2008, 09:42:54 AM »

Hmmmm.   One again, we get some jubilant cheers from Ann.  All that's missing is a set of pom poms.

Methinks perhaps someone has been having a right nice time of late.  ;)

I don't do pom-poms. I never hung out with the cheerleading crowd at school and I'm not about to start now. I hung with the crowd in jeans, tee-shirts and flannel shirts (and bongs!). ;)

And yes, I've been have a fanfuckingtastic time the past two months or so now. It's all in my last two blog entries. I went from crash and burn to flying high in about three weeks.

And I think to myself, what a wonderful world. Oh yeah!

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #51 on: January 18, 2008, 09:45:46 AM »
And yes, I've been have a fanfuckingtastic time the past two months or so now. It's all in my last two blog entries. I went from crash and burn to flying high in about three weeks.

And I think to myself, what a wonderful world. Oh yeah!

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #52 on: January 18, 2008, 09:46:36 AM »
I don't do pom-poms. I never hung out with the cheerleading crowd at school and I'm not about to start now. I hung with the crowd in jeans, tee-shirts and flannel shirts (and bongs!). ;)

Me too, Ann.  I knew there was a reason I liked you! ;)
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #53 on: January 18, 2008, 09:48:08 AM »
I don't do pom-poms. I never hung out with the cheerleading crowd at school and I'm not about to start now. I hung with the crowd in jeans, tee-shirts and flannel shirts (and bongs!). ;)

And yes, I've been have a fanfuckingtastic time the past two months or so now. It's all in my last two blog entries. I went from crash and burn to flying high in about three weeks.

And I think to myself, what a wonderful world. Oh yeah!

Ann


Yeah and if you two don't quit, you can come and put my pictures back on the walls. I'm tired of picking them off the floor. You would think you two were newly weds or should I say rabbits.  ;)

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #54 on: January 18, 2008, 09:53:17 AM »
GO, ANN! (Yes, I'm shouting.)
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #55 on: January 18, 2008, 10:03:56 AM »
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #56 on: January 18, 2008, 10:05:20 AM »
i'm almost green with envy u guys. i'm too much of a coward to try it...

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #57 on: January 18, 2008, 10:05:50 AM »
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #58 on: January 18, 2008, 10:17:15 AM »
Yeah and if you two don't quit, you can come and put my pictures back on the walls. I'm tired of picking them off the floor. You would think you two were newly weds or should I say rabbits.  ;)

Honestly Rodney, I'd recommend you just leave them on the floor, leaning against the wall for ... well, until further notice. You might want to invest in a hard-hat too, for when your ceiling starts coming down on you. ;D

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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #59 on: January 18, 2008, 10:35:32 AM »
Honestly Rodney, I'd recommend you just leave them on the floor, leaning against the wall for ... well, until further notice. You might want to invest in a hard-hat too, for when your ceiling starts coming down on you. ;D



Oh Lord, don't say that. I have popcorn ceilings and those little white things get all over everything as it is. Can't you two just do it easier and not as often? brb going to get a hard hat.  ;)

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #60 on: January 18, 2008, 01:58:33 PM »
The sober and not snickering about we're having a laff answer to your question is as follows:

(1) In terms of reinfection with HIV, the lower your viral load the less the risk, which is in any case small and most likely to happen it seems in the 1st 3 years of being HIV-positive. The notable risk to your is acquiring a resistant strain of HIV, again rare, but critical if it happens since it reduces your treatment options. People who are inconsistent at taking their pills on time all the time are the greatest risk here.

(2) Not using condoms increases your risk of other STIs, because condoms are protective against these in many cases.

(3) If you are into fisting/"rough" sex, increased chance of acquiring hepatitis C.

Viral load is the key factor. If you are on treatment and have an undetectable viral load the reinfection "question" evaporates on my reading of the studies to date. Higher viral load = greater risk.

Hope this helps.

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #61 on: January 18, 2008, 02:13:53 PM »
Newt, I just read an article and if I can find it I'll post it, that one can have an undetectable blood VL, but don't make the assumption that your sperm and prostrate VL are that low, because they normally aren't. I'll see if I can find the article.

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #62 on: January 18, 2008, 02:16:10 PM »
Wouldn't more unprotected sex mean you can get reinfected? Even by a different strain?

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #63 on: January 18, 2008, 03:35:10 PM »
Wouldn't more unprotected sex mean you can get reinfected? Even by a different strain?

If you're already infected, you can't get "reinfected". Shooting cum in your body won't "reinfect" you with something you already have. What newt says is that if you have unprotected sex with someone who has a high viral load or has become resistant due to non-adherence, then there is a possibility that you may acquire another strain, which may be resistant for you too.

This is why my doc asked me to do a new geno/pheno to verify that I didn't acquire anything new that may be resistant to Atripla.

The studies show that this "super acquisition" is very rare. Also, another strain doesn't mean a worse infection. Most strains are susceptible to a battery of available drugs, and other strains are so weak they can't replicate enough and pose no threat.

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mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #64 on: January 18, 2008, 04:25:53 PM »
People might like to read:
Balance of evidence continues to show: undetectable viral load in blood does not equal zero infection risk

But as far as reinfection goes...different story

So, to a point, what Milker says.

However, personally, being HIV-positive, I wouldn;t want the pox (v bad for T cells) or hep C (v bad coinfection)

With a reg also-positive partner I would drop the condoms but a 1-off shag? hmmm

As for Rapido;s valid point re: variance in viral load (1) most (maybe all even) of these studies were done in people not on treatment (2) the variance was generally 1 log ie prob only significant in terms of transmission to an HIV-negative person, not reinfection. But tis true, you can sometimes, note a variance.

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #65 on: January 18, 2008, 05:55:39 PM »
evening gals and guys 

thanks 4 all the info, hmmm lots to digest.

so how many strains of the virus are there?
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Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
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Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #66 on: January 18, 2008, 06:33:16 PM »
so how many strains of the virus are there?

Go down to Burtonwood and count them! ;) ;D
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #67 on: January 18, 2008, 06:40:57 PM »
Burtonwood, i live right by there lol (and have been  ;D )
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Negative test 10/11/07
Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
Sero-converted Late December 07

Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #68 on: January 18, 2008, 07:29:04 PM »
He He He, have we met? ;D ;D ;D
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #69 on: January 18, 2008, 07:41:47 PM »
maybe, who knows what you suck on when its pitch black whoops is that a bit graphic soz
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Negative test 10/11/07
Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
Sero-converted Late December 07

Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #70 on: January 18, 2008, 08:32:50 PM »
Wow!  I'm surprised at how many people are encouraging the BB for poz on poz... I've been known to be a bit promiscuous myself over the years, have always tried to be safe, but obviously failed.  since testing positive I refuse to have sex without protection regardless ... both for myself and my partner (whoever he might be, no long-term)....I actually fear the rumor of "super strains" and other STD's are very prevalent....and I couldn't live with myself if I thought I infected another (which is a poz on neg situation, I understand)  Honestly , it just seems like the smartest thing we could all do is to practice safe sex in all of it's formats (there's a hell of a lot you can do that is safe, fun, and amazing) and I think it's funny that I sound like a bit of a prude, if you knew me you'd laugh out loud.
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #71 on: January 18, 2008, 10:12:51 PM »
well, for those of you who have not "had the courage" all i can say is when i was told Dec 6, 2007 i was hiv + my first thought was 1) oh shit, who have i exposed and do those ten frat alums count? 2) holy shit, I will never get to have sex again, oh fuck, and 3) damn it, its Christmas, how will I tell my family. It took me about 10 days to have fantastic sex again, with protection with someone who I was seeing who is neg, the two people who had been exposed have now tested neg, and my family - well decided it was not something they need to know right now. having said all that, I really like skin on skin and all the rest, but the person really has to be poz for me to be kool with it. I am concerned about them giving MEEEEE something (a neg that is) more than I am about giving them something. It is my understanding that female to male transmission is more difficult for all STDs...so i say ride um coyboy. Zan

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« Reply #72 on: January 18, 2008, 11:18:48 PM »
so how many strains of the virus are there?
The HIV Sequence Database contains almost 100,000 entries. It's not the number of strains that you should look at, it's what are the ones that are virulent and the ones that are non-susceptible to medication.

Each entry is documented and there is a HIV database search for professionals where they can enter the HIV sequence and see how virulent or susceptible it is. When you get your phenotype done, it lists your mutations, you can always enter them in the database if you want.

http://hivdb6.stanford.edu/asi/deployed/hiv_central.pl?program=hivdb&action=showMutationForm

You input your mutations (.e.g K13K, V35I, T2000A etc..) and it will show the subsceptibility. I have 20 mutations and all are susceptible to medication, so I'm fine, but your Phenotype report will be much easier to read.

Don't be scared of the amount of mutations, it's really what kind of mutation that is important.

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mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
may 27 10: cd4 655 (32%) vl undetectable :D :D

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« Reply #73 on: January 18, 2008, 11:22:22 PM »
Wow!  I'm surprised at how many people are encouraging the BB for poz on poz...
No I think people are encouraging Poz on Poz, not encouraging BB Poz on Poz. But if I want to do BB then I will go for poz, not neg, of course.

When I have safe sex with a negative person, they know I'm positive, and most of the time I can feel that they're scared of the condom breaking, the cum getting on a wound or something. It's not comfy sex, so I avoid it, unless they show that they're confident and feeling good about this.

Milker.
mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
may 27 10: cd4 655 (32%) vl undetectable :D :D

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #74 on: January 20, 2008, 12:39:18 AM »
I am in, I will BB with other Poz guys. I liked it before I became poz, I like it now. I love it, I will continue to do it. I caught syphillis in Feb 07, was treated in March, but it still effects your immune system for a year or so though, so caught HIV in May from BBing and didn't even have anyone cum in me. So will not top a bottom BB. Still waiting really to play with the neggies until I know that I am undetectable and the risk is minimized, then I'll top one with a condom.
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June 07 - Seroconversion
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October 07 -     CD4 294 VL 124000 22%
November 07 - Norvir, Triuvada and Reyataz
December 07 -  CD4 355 VL  550 .... guess the meds are working.
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April 08 - CD4 554 VL <48 undetectable!
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« Reply #75 on: January 20, 2008, 04:04:58 AM »
If you're already infected, you can't get "reinfected". Shooting cum in your body won't "reinfect" you with something you already have.
Actually you can.  Reinfection simply means acquiring a 2nd infection by the same disease.  And it has been shown that people can acquire a 2nd (or more) infection of HIV, even after building up an immune response to the initial infection.

The studies show that this "super acquisition" is very rare. Also, another strain doesn't mean a worse infection. Most strains are susceptible to a battery of available drugs, and other strains are so weak they can't replicate enough and pose no threat.
I'm not convinced it's that rare.  I am convinced that it goes unnoticed and is hard to detect.

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I think people should distinguish between dropping condoms for a regular partner and dropping them for any old body.  A lot of the replies here seem lighthearted.  But there are still risks/dangers in having unprotected sex with people who are HIV positive.  If people are aware and accept those risks, then fine.

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #76 on: January 20, 2008, 04:12:30 AM »
I think people should distinguish between dropping condoms for a regular partner and dropping them for any old body.  A lot of the replies here seem lighthearted.  But there are still risks/dangers in having unprotected sex with people who are HIV positive.  If people are aware and accept those risks, then fine.

So true. A LTR with another poz guy is the only circumstance where I'd consider dropping condoms.

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« Reply #77 on: January 20, 2008, 05:16:15 AM »
I'm not convinced it's that rare.  I am convinced that it goes unnoticed and is hard to detect.

Cliff makes a very important point here.

Studies don’t actually show that reinfection with another strain of HIV is rare. They show that identified cases that have been documented in medical journals (generally because wild-type, drug-sensitive HIV, has been replaced with drug-resistant strains of the virus) are quite rare.

Why have these few cases been identified? Generally because there has been a problem and the patient happens to have been in the right place (and at the right time) for that reinfection to be identified.

That may suggest that reinfection is rare. But that doesn’t preclude the equally plausible possibilities that reinfection is actually quite common, but not necessarily problematic .. or indeed that it is quite common and does cause problems, but is simply blamed on mutation and developing drug resistance.

We aren’t finding more cases of reinfection because there isn’t a structured program for finding them - and the ones we have documented have mostly been found by pure chance - so since few of us are ever subjected to the sort of scruitiny that would identify it, reinfection rates are almost certainly significantly higher than the documented cases suggest.

My reading of it is such that I restrict the bareback action to the one guy I trust to be totally honest about where his tackle has been (mainly because I don’t want syphilis, but thoughts about the risk of reinfection are certainly not absent).
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« Reply #78 on: January 20, 2008, 06:04:35 AM »
If you're already infected, you can't get "reinfected".

Sorry, but that is wrong.

then there is a possibility that you may acquire another strain

Which is the definition of reinfection (or superinfection).

Reinfection simply means a new or secondary infection by a virus that has already infected a person. With most viral diseases it is true to say that reinfection doesn’t normally occur - because once the immune system conquers the original viral infection, it creates immunity against that virus. With HIV (and indeed the common cold and the flu), because many versions of the virus are substantially different from that already present, reinfection does occur (and with HIV, there is of course the added complication that the immune system never actually conquers the virus).

Where I think a lot of the confusion stems from is that most of us seem to be quite happy to assume that reinfection has only occurred where there has been a rapid and unexplained progression to AIDS. That is, unfortunately (or should that be fortunately?), not the case.
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« Reply #79 on: January 20, 2008, 09:25:37 AM »
I think people should distinguish between dropping condoms for a regular partner and dropping them for any old body.

Call me shallow, but it takes more than an old body to get me to drop anything  ;)

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« Reply #80 on: January 20, 2008, 10:06:01 AM »

I think people should distinguish between dropping condoms for a regular partner and dropping them for any old body.  A lot of the replies here seem lighthearted.  But there are still risks/dangers in having unprotected sex with people who are HIV positive.  If people are aware and accept those risks, then fine.

Agreed, which is why I clarified what I was talking about in post #45.

For the record, if I were playing the field, I'd still use condoms even with other pozzies. I don't want a dose of ... whatever.

The guy I'm currently with is the guy I got my virus from in the first place. He's on meds and has not developed any resistances, so no worries about getting a different strain. (From what I understand, that's a rare occurance anyway.) He's also had a recent STI panel. I haven't, but my ex-partner did just before we split up in November and as I haven't been with anyone else since the last time I  had an STI panel, well, no worries!  

Poz on/under/in-between poz rocks! ;D


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« Reply #81 on: January 20, 2008, 12:07:43 PM »
I can't deny that sex without condoms is more enjoyable but I obtained the delights of syphilis at the same time as HIV and once was enough for me thankyou.  They are not coming near me with those penicillin injections ever again!
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« Reply #82 on: January 20, 2008, 01:15:58 PM »
I think there is a terminology problem here.

I said reinfection, not superinfection. From what I see, those terms are inter exchanged, but they don't mean the same thing. What i'm saying is that in the case of HIV, since immunity cannot be achieved, shooting strain x inside a body that already has strain x is not going to change much. I'm not talking about anything else than HIV here.

Or am I wrong?

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« Reply #83 on: January 20, 2008, 01:29:39 PM »
I always thought reinfection and superinfection were basically the same thing, infection of a second strain of HIV. 

What's the difference?

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« Reply #84 on: January 20, 2008, 02:21:01 PM »
Well someone knowledgeable would have to confirm. Being infected with another strain doesn't make the infection "super". It can be super, but usually it's equal to or lower to what you already have. Maybe we should use "primary infection", first time infected, "secondary infection", getting other strains that what you already have, and "super infection", where one of those secondary strains is uncontrollable with the meds you already take.

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« Reply #85 on: January 20, 2008, 02:27:12 PM »
I think there is a terminology problem here.

I said reinfection, not superinfection. From what I see, those terms are inter exchanged, but they don't mean the same thing. What i'm saying is that in the case of HIV, since immunity cannot be achieved, shooting strain x inside a body that already has strain x is not going to change much. I'm not talking about anything else than HIV here.

Or am I wrong?

Milker.

Reinfection and superinfection are exactly the same thing. One term is just a little more dramatic than the other and creates a sense of that rapid progression to AIDS.

Even using your definition of ‘superinfection’, all superinfections would be the result of reinfection.



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Reinfection
 
In addition to STIs, unprotected sex can have other health risks for HIV-positive people. There have been cases reported where a person with HIV has been reinfected, or 'superinfected', with another subtype or strain of HIV which is resistant to anti-HIV drugs.

In some cases, this has resulted in the person’s HIV viral load increasing and CD4 cell count falling. In addition, their treatment options have been limited because the type of HIV they were reinfected with was resistant to some or all of the anti-HIV drugs they were taking – and to others they had never taken.
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« Reply #86 on: January 20, 2008, 02:38:45 PM »
There's nothing super about my HIV infection.

All that bareback sex that led to it sure was, though.
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« Reply #87 on: January 20, 2008, 03:26:21 PM »
this was a fun read, I"ve been away for more than a month, mainly with my parents helping them out at 86 yo. Can't talk sex or make flip racy comments.

I know BB isn't safe, but when I was hiding my status and using condoms I just didn't have many playmates. So many guys would just walk away if I put the condom  on. So in LA, being a big city I've been serving the POZ bottom community now for 8 years. I have some very happy playmates that keep coming back for more. And one special guy tho we'll never be able to live together.

Yes I worry about the other diseases, I'd really hate to get Hep C  or especially Herpes . But I'd really hate to spend the rest of my life with just my hand. >:(


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« Reply #88 on: January 20, 2008, 03:43:50 PM »
Reinfection and superinfection are exactly the same thing. One term is just a little more dramatic than the other and creates a sense of that rapid progression to AIDS.

Even using your definition of ‘superinfection’, all superinfections would be the result of reinfection.
Thanks. In that case I agree that if the terms are the same, then my previous statement is incorrect.

There's nothing super about my HIV infection.

All that bareback sex that led to it sure was, though.
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« Reply #89 on: January 21, 2008, 07:12:14 AM »
The "super" in "superinfection doesn't mean "super" as in "great", it means "super" as in "superimposed". In other words, one infection on top of another.



hehehehe... one infection on top of the other... kinda like one pozzie on top of another. ;D

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« Reply #90 on: January 21, 2008, 07:27:12 AM »
I swear Ann gets randy when it rains  ;)

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« Reply #91 on: January 21, 2008, 07:31:19 AM »
The "super" in "superinfection doesn't mean "super" as in "great", it means "super" as in "superimposed". In other words, one infection on top of another.


. . . . or somesuch.  :)

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« Reply #92 on: January 21, 2008, 07:57:39 AM »
I swear Ann gets randy when it rains  ;)

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« Reply #93 on: January 21, 2008, 01:17:21 PM »
Time to become visual!

This guy obviously has a superinfection!

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jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
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« Reply #94 on: January 22, 2008, 12:01:53 AM »
This could be a stupid question but, STDs aside, won't the meds I'm on protect me from other strains of  HIV?  I'm having sex with a lad but I'm on meds and he is not.
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« Reply #95 on: January 23, 2008, 11:08:44 AM »
There's nothing super about my HIV infection.

All that bareback sex that led to it sure was, though.
;D well said!
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« Reply #96 on: January 23, 2008, 11:30:56 AM »
Hmmm... over a decade of high, unsuppresable viral load, multiple drug resistance issues, one case of gonorrhea from a LA porn star (very Studio54 of me!), copious bouts of anal warts from Carlos at the TomKat Bookstore, and a grade 4 external hemorrhoid -- all in the span of 18 months... well, it made me a more prudent individual.

I'm sure I'm forgetting something.
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« Reply #97 on: January 24, 2008, 07:59:10 PM »
I'm sure I'm forgetting something.

Butt-herpes? Whenever I forget I have the Whore's Blossoms, they make a timely and painful reappearance.

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« Reply #98 on: January 24, 2008, 08:46:20 PM »
Nope.  Somehow I didn't get that one.  Sounds dreadful.
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« Reply #99 on: January 24, 2008, 09:14:47 PM »
Not only does it sound dreadful, it feels dreadful, too. I was in tears every time I went to the toilet. A bidet would be great too, as loo paper is not a nice option.
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