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Offline NLEWLAD

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BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« on: January 17, 2008, 05:28:16 PM »
HI NOW THAT I AM POZ IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH BAREBACK SEX WITH OTHER GENUINE POZ LADS?
Simon - Location Manchester England
Negative test 10/11/07
Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
Sero-converted Late December 07

Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2008, 05:32:37 PM »
HONEY USING ALL CAPS IS CONSIDERED SHOUTING. WE CAN HEAR YOU, SO TURN THE VOLUME DOWN!!!

MtD

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2008, 05:34:04 PM »
whoops sorry  i have had a few vodka and cokes didnt realise caps were on sorry evereyone  :o
Simon - Location Manchester England
Negative test 10/11/07
Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
Sero-converted Late December 07

Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2008, 05:42:12 PM »
's cool babe.

The real issue with poz-on-poz barebacking is the risk of picking up an STD. Having HIV can make having other STD's seem tame by comparison. Gonorrhoea and chlamydia seem pretty mild eh?

And, as you know only too well, there are other more horrible STD's such as syphilis out there. Herpes and warts are odious as well.

Now I'm not a member of the safe-sex taliban, I bareback with other pozzies meself, but it's important to be aware of this stuff. Trust me, herpes can really cramp your style. Genital warts can come with a whole range of unpleasant complications as well.

So before going pink-on-pink  you need to consider these things.

MtD

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2008, 05:49:44 PM »
matt you mind me private messging ya
Simon - Location Manchester England
Negative test 10/11/07
Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
Sero-converted Late December 07

Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2008, 05:51:29 PM »
Not at all honey.

MtD

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2008, 06:00:57 PM »

So before going pink-on-pink  you need to consider these things.

MtD

But might as well face it:  If it didn't stop me before, it's not likely to stop me now.

sluttily,

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2008, 06:09:47 PM »
Ja, me too YPT.

MtD
(Whose sexual health record reads like a resume)

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2008, 06:20:39 PM »
Poz on poz rocks! ;D
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2008, 06:22:54 PM »
Heh. :D

MtD

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2008, 06:23:51 PM »
Ja, me too YPT.

MtD
(Whose sexual health record reads like a resume)

My resume should have so many references.
AIDS isn't for sissies.

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2008, 06:33:37 PM »
You Timmy, my first STD was syphilis. Back when I was all of 15. The treatment in those days was pretty nasty and it was a full two years before I got my next dose.

Ano-rectal gonorrhoea.

Lotsa fun.

MtD

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2008, 06:40:31 PM »
I had syph at the same time as I came down with teh AIDS.  That was jolly good fun.  Otherwise, my hoo hoo has remained relatively trouble free.

Except for some rather rough anal tears back when I was a bottom attempting more than I really should have at the time.

Back in the good old days when Bound met Determined.
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2008, 06:45:37 PM »
I would still like to know how I've seemed to avoid any other notable STDs. :[

Offline NLEWLAD

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2008, 06:48:47 PM »
ann your naughty :)
Simon - Location Manchester England
Negative test 10/11/07
Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
Sero-converted Late December 07

Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

Offline NLEWLAD

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2008, 06:50:54 PM »
i also had syphillis when i was infected with poz 
Simon - Location Manchester England
Negative test 10/11/07
Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
Sero-converted Late December 07

Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2008, 06:51:36 PM »
:[

you sound almost disappointed.  

Child, you made the "A List"...what more do ya want?   :o
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Offline NLEWLAD

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2008, 06:56:41 PM »
oh i need to stop drinking vodka  at least i am not drinkin mothers ruin (gin)
Simon - Location Manchester England
Negative test 10/11/07
Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
Sero-converted Late December 07

Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2008, 07:04:16 PM »
But might as well face it:  If it didn't stop me before, it's not likely to stop me now.

sluttily,

thunter34

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03-23-06 CD4 359 @27.4% VL 75,938
06-01-06 CD4 462 @24.3% VL > 100,000
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10-21-06 CD4 285 @21.9% VL >  "
  Atripla started 12-01-2006
01-08-07 CD4 429 @26.8% VL 1872!
05-08-07 CD4 478 @28.1% VL 740
08-03-07 CD4 509 @31.8% VL 370
11-06-07 CD4 570 @30.0% VL 140
02-21-08 CD4 648 @32.4% VL 600
05-19-08 CD4 695 @33.1% VL < 48 undetectable!
08-21-08 CD4 725 @34.5%
11-11-08 CD4 672 @39.5%
02-11-09 CD4 773 @36.8%
05-11-09 CD4 615 @36.2%
08-19-09 CD4 770 @38.5%
11-19-09 CD4 944 @33.7%
02-17-10 CD4 678 @39.9%  
06-03-10 CD4 768 @34.9%
09-21-10 CD4 685 @40.3%
01-10-11 CD4 908 @36.3%
05-23-11 CD4 846 @36.8% VL 80
02-13-12 CD4 911 @41.4% VL<20
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Offline NLEWLAD

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2008, 07:06:30 PM »
thunder is that my que to shut up or are you in full support?
Simon - Location Manchester England
Negative test 10/11/07
Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
Sero-converted Late December 07

Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2008, 07:07:28 PM »
I couldn't have said it better myself.

I know, dear.  Don't think you weren't with me in spirit when I wrote it.   :P

and Newlad:  not quite sure what you mean, but I am most likely in full support.  i usually am.
AIDS isn't for sissies.

Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2008, 07:08:11 PM »
Simon,

Timmy is a notorious slut. He's behind you in every sense of the word. ;)

MtD

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2008, 07:13:58 PM »
Simon,

Timmy is a notorious slut. He's behind you in every sense of the word. ;)

MtD

he's right.  i've been spread more than peanut butter.
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2008, 07:19:34 PM »
Well we're in good company, YPT. ;)

MtD
(Who has been banged more often than a Salvation Army drum)

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2008, 07:22:18 PM »

Indeed, terrific company.

Had my legs in the air more times than a Rockette.
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2008, 07:23:55 PM »
ann your naughty :)

I'm naughty? And you were being saintly when you posted the question?

I'll say it again - poz on poz rocks. Never going back to a poz/neg relationship again, no, no, no! :D

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2008, 08:09:10 PM »
Indeed, terrific company.

Had my legs in the air more times than a Rockette.

Didn't we see you in the air at the Macy's Day Parade?  Legs being help by a bunch of ground crew. ;)

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« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2008, 08:18:34 PM »
Didn't we see you in the air at the Macy's Day Parade?  Legs being help by a bunch of ground crew. ;)

What's this?  Is Roddles coming after me for a second night in a row??
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2008, 08:21:49 PM »
If I  had known you were this much fun I would have picked on you in SF, instead of looking at your ass every time you walked by.  :-*

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2008, 08:38:15 PM »
Poz n Poz have no issues...  Or do they...
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« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2008, 09:21:23 PM »
Poz n Poz have no issues...  Or do they...

If you would have read the other posts there are issues with contracting other STDs.

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« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2008, 09:30:07 PM »
Poz on poz rocks! ;D
Don't forget Poz under poz ! That rocks too !  ;D

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2008, 09:42:23 PM »
I only wish I lived in such a liberated town.  Now that I don't drink, I don't know where to pick up a man/woman.  I do need to find out though.  I know I'm behind.

As for the STDs and sexual promiscuity, I was in the doc's office when I was 14.  I don't remember what it was I had, but the doc gave me a shot that knocked me on my ass, put me on two antibiotics, I had to douche twice a day, use vaginal cream twice a day and take a sitz bath twice a day.  That wasn't consensual though.  But after I did become promiscuous, well, I learned to turn it into a trade and make money.  So, I guess you could say I was very "ecnonomical." :D  No, seriously, I was 17 was when I worked in the strip club here (Kitty Kat Lounge, go figure) and learned the "tricks" of the "trade" very quickly.  I was in the doc's office every week after that.  Don't miss those days-well, miss the action, not the reaction. ;)
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2008, 10:02:29 PM »
betty kicks major ass. well, im not as slutty as some of y'all, but i can hold my own. i just wish that last couple i had sex with was around more often. nothing like two (or more) men. hey, there might be some gals in the future if i can convince my boys to go bi! i caught gonorrhea once before. i remember going to the public health dept and using a fake aliases to get treated. i also scoped out the men in the waiting room  looking for freshly sanitized ass. you feel pretty trampy after some shit like that.

...or maybe it was that time in brazil where i spent the better part of the evening on my knees in that night club :  )
regardless, i still have safe sex when there was butt loving going on. that risky shit didn't start till last year and it only took a handful of situations to catch the hiv. and the hpv.

to answer the question -- bareback if you must, but remember, hep c and the herpes are still out there, not to mention some other rather unconventional bugs.
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« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2008, 10:09:43 PM »
but remember, hep c and the herpes are still out there, not to mention some other rather unconventional bugs.

Yeah well just whoa down there, Swing-Both-Ways Sally.

Hepatitis C is spread by blood-to-blood contact. There is some evidence about it being transmitted via particular sexual activities (fisting and blood-sports come to mind), there is no evidence that is a generalised STD.

For the large part in the developed world, HCV is transmitted through sharing contaminated injecting equipment.

MtD

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« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2008, 10:46:53 PM »
Poz on poz rocks! ;D

Indeed it does, Ann.

As does skin on skin,.


Is there a risk?  Yep.  My partner is Hep C while I am not....is the risk small....yes....is the risk there?  yes.  I am gambling I agree (more times top than not lessens the odds but nontheless) I love being without barrier in him and on occasion him in I and I will make no apologies about it ow...or if the wrong diagnosis ever happens.

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« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2008, 10:50:58 PM »
In terms of sexual intercourse, the risk is less than small.

MtD

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« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2008, 12:27:00 AM »
Yet my doctor ordered a new phenotype/genotype lab because i'm "sexually active without protection".

I don't know what to think about that.

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« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2008, 12:31:58 AM »
If your long-term goal is to accumulate a FULL HOUSE of STD's, I say go for it.  I like unprotected sex as much as anybody, but now that I have AIDS, you couldn't pay me to go skin-to-skin with anybody.   It's bad enough being treated for HIV -- I sure don't want to complicate my treatment with a case of the clap, hepatitis, syph, warts, cooties, or anything else.  (Plus there's some danger -- however small -- of getting reinfected with a different strain of HIV, I believe.) When you've already got HIV, it seems sorta dumb to go out and try to catch everything else.  It's like "here I am, come and get me".  But it's a personal decision, and I hope I don't sound like your preacher.

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« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2008, 07:06:54 AM »
what about analingus as a possible mode of transmission for any of the heps?
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2008, 07:29:20 AM »
My preference has been not to use condoms, which kind of limits the options.

At the moment, I am not sure how I feel, as the doctor told me that I'd had hep c a few years ago.

Though this all hypothetical, as I am in the middle of the driest period of my life.  Yep, I'd even consider wearing a condom to get a bit of man on man sausage action.

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« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2008, 07:30:51 AM »
Hep C is increasingly prevalent amongst gay men in the UK, particularly poz guys. A study from London and Brighton hospitals found the following to be risk factors:

    * Being HIV-positive
    * Unprotected anal intercourse
    * Sharing sex toys
    * Rougher sex (longer fucking or fisting)
    * Group sex or sex parties
    * Number of partners
    * Recreational drug use
    * Other sexually transmitted infections (especially syphilis)
    * Meeting partners online

http://www.i-base.info/guides/hepc/newhcv.html

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« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2008, 07:44:33 AM »
I just wanted to say that I love reading everyones input....It makes me smile... :)  and is really informative ...
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I think I really like the fact that I dont think the way I do alone...

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« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2008, 07:49:03 AM »
Well in my case:

    * Being HIV-positive  Of course
    * Unprotected anal intercourse Yep
    * Sharing sex toys Does Sindy count
    * Rougher sex (longer fucking or fisting)  5 minutes maximum, low attention span and too
                                                                  worried about hangnails to try fisting

    * Group sex or sex parties Nope, the occasional dinner party though
    * Number of partners single figures
    * Recreational drug use Yep, by the truck load
    * Other sexually transmitted infections (especially syphilis) NSU does that count?
    * Meeting partners online Not in the last five years

Maybe it was a rogue toilet seat?

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« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2008, 07:57:08 AM »
Maybe it was a rogue toilet seat?

Wot, it just slipped in? :D :D :D

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« Reply #45 on: January 18, 2008, 08:23:05 AM »
For the record, if I were playing the field, I'd still use condoms even with other pozzies. I don't want a dose of ... whatever.

The guy I'm currently with is the guy I got my virus from in the first place. He's on meds and has not developed any resistances, so no worries about getting a different strain. (From what I understand, that's a rare occurance anyway.) He's also had a recent STI panel. I haven't, but my ex-partner did just before we split up in November and as I haven't been with anyone else since the last time I  had an STI panel, well, no worries!  

Poz on/under/in-between poz rocks! ;D

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« Reply #46 on: January 18, 2008, 08:29:10 AM »
 Poz on/under/in-between poz rocks! ;D


Hmmmm.   One again, we get some jubilant cheers from Ann.  All that's missing is a set of pom poms.

Methinks perhaps someone has been having a right nice time of late.  ;)
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« Reply #47 on: January 18, 2008, 08:31:44 AM »
Speaking of BB sex with poz lads....


good morning, newt!   :o

or should I say...top of the morning to ya.
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« Reply #48 on: January 18, 2008, 08:51:00 AM »
i recently visited a bathhouse in my home town and i was surprised that when it came down to business  there was not a single condom to be found,anywhere!!!

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« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2008, 09:29:25 AM »
Wow, you guys are not only informative, incredibly honest, but also a little caddy. I like it. Condoms are not my thing (obviously) but my frequency of sex has slowed down since that bout with syphillis in 2004. That was not fun. Off to work, but I would love to stay and play with you guys all day.

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« Reply #50 on: January 18, 2008, 09:42:54 AM »

Hmmmm.   One again, we get some jubilant cheers from Ann.  All that's missing is a set of pom poms.

Methinks perhaps someone has been having a right nice time of late.  ;)

I don't do pom-poms. I never hung out with the cheerleading crowd at school and I'm not about to start now. I hung with the crowd in jeans, tee-shirts and flannel shirts (and bongs!). ;)

And yes, I've been have a fanfuckingtastic time the past two months or so now. It's all in my last two blog entries. I went from crash and burn to flying high in about three weeks.

And I think to myself, what a wonderful world. Oh yeah!

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« Reply #51 on: January 18, 2008, 09:45:46 AM »
And yes, I've been have a fanfuckingtastic time the past two months or so now. It's all in my last two blog entries. I went from crash and burn to flying high in about three weeks.

And I think to myself, what a wonderful world. Oh yeah!

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« Reply #52 on: January 18, 2008, 09:46:36 AM »
I don't do pom-poms. I never hung out with the cheerleading crowd at school and I'm not about to start now. I hung with the crowd in jeans, tee-shirts and flannel shirts (and bongs!). ;)

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« Reply #53 on: January 18, 2008, 09:48:08 AM »
I don't do pom-poms. I never hung out with the cheerleading crowd at school and I'm not about to start now. I hung with the crowd in jeans, tee-shirts and flannel shirts (and bongs!). ;)

And yes, I've been have a fanfuckingtastic time the past two months or so now. It's all in my last two blog entries. I went from crash and burn to flying high in about three weeks.

And I think to myself, what a wonderful world. Oh yeah!

Ann


Yeah and if you two don't quit, you can come and put my pictures back on the walls. I'm tired of picking them off the floor. You would think you two were newly weds or should I say rabbits.  ;)

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« Reply #54 on: January 18, 2008, 09:53:17 AM »
GO, ANN! (Yes, I'm shouting.)
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« Reply #56 on: January 18, 2008, 10:05:20 AM »
i'm almost green with envy u guys. i'm too much of a coward to try it...

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« Reply #58 on: January 18, 2008, 10:17:15 AM »
Yeah and if you two don't quit, you can come and put my pictures back on the walls. I'm tired of picking them off the floor. You would think you two were newly weds or should I say rabbits.  ;)

Honestly Rodney, I'd recommend you just leave them on the floor, leaning against the wall for ... well, until further notice. You might want to invest in a hard-hat too, for when your ceiling starts coming down on you. ;D

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« Reply #59 on: January 18, 2008, 10:35:32 AM »
Honestly Rodney, I'd recommend you just leave them on the floor, leaning against the wall for ... well, until further notice. You might want to invest in a hard-hat too, for when your ceiling starts coming down on you. ;D



Oh Lord, don't say that. I have popcorn ceilings and those little white things get all over everything as it is. Can't you two just do it easier and not as often? brb going to get a hard hat.  ;)

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« Reply #60 on: January 18, 2008, 01:58:33 PM »
The sober and not snickering about we're having a laff answer to your question is as follows:

(1) In terms of reinfection with HIV, the lower your viral load the less the risk, which is in any case small and most likely to happen it seems in the 1st 3 years of being HIV-positive. The notable risk to your is acquiring a resistant strain of HIV, again rare, but critical if it happens since it reduces your treatment options. People who are inconsistent at taking their pills on time all the time are the greatest risk here.

(2) Not using condoms increases your risk of other STIs, because condoms are protective against these in many cases.

(3) If you are into fisting/"rough" sex, increased chance of acquiring hepatitis C.

Viral load is the key factor. If you are on treatment and have an undetectable viral load the reinfection "question" evaporates on my reading of the studies to date. Higher viral load = greater risk.

Hope this helps.

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« Reply #61 on: January 18, 2008, 02:13:53 PM »
Newt, I just read an article and if I can find it I'll post it, that one can have an undetectable blood VL, but don't make the assumption that your sperm and prostrate VL are that low, because they normally aren't. I'll see if I can find the article.

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« Reply #62 on: January 18, 2008, 02:16:10 PM »
Wouldn't more unprotected sex mean you can get reinfected? Even by a different strain?

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« Reply #63 on: January 18, 2008, 03:35:10 PM »
Wouldn't more unprotected sex mean you can get reinfected? Even by a different strain?

If you're already infected, you can't get "reinfected". Shooting cum in your body won't "reinfect" you with something you already have. What newt says is that if you have unprotected sex with someone who has a high viral load or has become resistant due to non-adherence, then there is a possibility that you may acquire another strain, which may be resistant for you too.

This is why my doc asked me to do a new geno/pheno to verify that I didn't acquire anything new that may be resistant to Atripla.

The studies show that this "super acquisition" is very rare. Also, another strain doesn't mean a worse infection. Most strains are susceptible to a battery of available drugs, and other strains are so weak they can't replicate enough and pose no threat.

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« Reply #64 on: January 18, 2008, 04:25:53 PM »
People might like to read:
Balance of evidence continues to show: undetectable viral load in blood does not equal zero infection risk

But as far as reinfection goes...different story

So, to a point, what Milker says.

However, personally, being HIV-positive, I wouldn;t want the pox (v bad for T cells) or hep C (v bad coinfection)

With a reg also-positive partner I would drop the condoms but a 1-off shag? hmmm

As for Rapido;s valid point re: variance in viral load (1) most (maybe all even) of these studies were done in people not on treatment (2) the variance was generally 1 log ie prob only significant in terms of transmission to an HIV-negative person, not reinfection. But tis true, you can sometimes, note a variance.

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« Reply #65 on: January 18, 2008, 05:55:39 PM »
evening gals and guys 

thanks 4 all the info, hmmm lots to digest.

so how many strains of the virus are there?
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Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
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« Reply #66 on: January 18, 2008, 06:33:16 PM »
so how many strains of the virus are there?

Go down to Burtonwood and count them! ;) ;D
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« Reply #67 on: January 18, 2008, 06:40:57 PM »
Burtonwood, i live right by there lol (and have been  ;D )
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Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
no meds yet:)

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« Reply #68 on: January 18, 2008, 07:29:04 PM »
He He He, have we met? ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #69 on: January 18, 2008, 07:41:47 PM »
maybe, who knows what you suck on when its pitch black whoops is that a bit graphic soz
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Tested poz 28/12/07
Confirmed WB 07/01/08
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Date        CD4            %              VL

7/01/08   1273 :)      N/A       100,232
24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
07/07/08   844 :)      34%       24,000
12/11/08   753 :(      31%       45,600
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« Reply #70 on: January 18, 2008, 08:32:50 PM »
Wow!  I'm surprised at how many people are encouraging the BB for poz on poz... I've been known to be a bit promiscuous myself over the years, have always tried to be safe, but obviously failed.  since testing positive I refuse to have sex without protection regardless ... both for myself and my partner (whoever he might be, no long-term)....I actually fear the rumor of "super strains" and other STD's are very prevalent....and I couldn't live with myself if I thought I infected another (which is a poz on neg situation, I understand)  Honestly , it just seems like the smartest thing we could all do is to practice safe sex in all of it's formats (there's a hell of a lot you can do that is safe, fun, and amazing) and I think it's funny that I sound like a bit of a prude, if you knew me you'd laugh out loud.
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« Reply #71 on: January 18, 2008, 10:12:51 PM »
well, for those of you who have not "had the courage" all i can say is when i was told Dec 6, 2007 i was hiv + my first thought was 1) oh shit, who have i exposed and do those ten frat alums count? 2) holy shit, I will never get to have sex again, oh fuck, and 3) damn it, its Christmas, how will I tell my family. It took me about 10 days to have fantastic sex again, with protection with someone who I was seeing who is neg, the two people who had been exposed have now tested neg, and my family - well decided it was not something they need to know right now. having said all that, I really like skin on skin and all the rest, but the person really has to be poz for me to be kool with it. I am concerned about them giving MEEEEE something (a neg that is) more than I am about giving them something. It is my understanding that female to male transmission is more difficult for all STDs...so i say ride um coyboy. Zan

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« Reply #72 on: January 18, 2008, 11:18:48 PM »
so how many strains of the virus are there?
The HIV Sequence Database contains almost 100,000 entries. It's not the number of strains that you should look at, it's what are the ones that are virulent and the ones that are non-susceptible to medication.

Each entry is documented and there is a HIV database search for professionals where they can enter the HIV sequence and see how virulent or susceptible it is. When you get your phenotype done, it lists your mutations, you can always enter them in the database if you want.

http://hivdb6.stanford.edu/asi/deployed/hiv_central.pl?program=hivdb&action=showMutationForm

You input your mutations (.e.g K13K, V35I, T2000A etc..) and it will show the subsceptibility. I have 20 mutations and all are susceptible to medication, so I'm fine, but your Phenotype report will be much easier to read.

Don't be scared of the amount of mutations, it's really what kind of mutation that is important.

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mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
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oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #73 on: January 18, 2008, 11:22:22 PM »
Wow!  I'm surprised at how many people are encouraging the BB for poz on poz...
No I think people are encouraging Poz on Poz, not encouraging BB Poz on Poz. But if I want to do BB then I will go for poz, not neg, of course.

When I have safe sex with a negative person, they know I'm positive, and most of the time I can feel that they're scared of the condom breaking, the cum getting on a wound or something. It's not comfy sex, so I avoid it, unless they show that they're confident and feeling good about this.

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jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
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« Reply #74 on: January 20, 2008, 12:39:18 AM »
I am in, I will BB with other Poz guys. I liked it before I became poz, I like it now. I love it, I will continue to do it. I caught syphillis in Feb 07, was treated in March, but it still effects your immune system for a year or so though, so caught HIV in May from BBing and didn't even have anyone cum in me. So will not top a bottom BB. Still waiting really to play with the neggies until I know that I am undetectable and the risk is minimized, then I'll top one with a condom.
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« Reply #75 on: January 20, 2008, 04:04:58 AM »
If you're already infected, you can't get "reinfected". Shooting cum in your body won't "reinfect" you with something you already have.
Actually you can.  Reinfection simply means acquiring a 2nd infection by the same disease.  And it has been shown that people can acquire a 2nd (or more) infection of HIV, even after building up an immune response to the initial infection.

The studies show that this "super acquisition" is very rare. Also, another strain doesn't mean a worse infection. Most strains are susceptible to a battery of available drugs, and other strains are so weak they can't replicate enough and pose no threat.
I'm not convinced it's that rare.  I am convinced that it goes unnoticed and is hard to detect.

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I think people should distinguish between dropping condoms for a regular partner and dropping them for any old body.  A lot of the replies here seem lighthearted.  But there are still risks/dangers in having unprotected sex with people who are HIV positive.  If people are aware and accept those risks, then fine.

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« Reply #76 on: January 20, 2008, 04:12:30 AM »
I think people should distinguish between dropping condoms for a regular partner and dropping them for any old body.  A lot of the replies here seem lighthearted.  But there are still risks/dangers in having unprotected sex with people who are HIV positive.  If people are aware and accept those risks, then fine.

So true. A LTR with another poz guy is the only circumstance where I'd consider dropping condoms.

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« Reply #77 on: January 20, 2008, 05:16:15 AM »
I'm not convinced it's that rare.  I am convinced that it goes unnoticed and is hard to detect.

Cliff makes a very important point here.

Studies don’t actually show that reinfection with another strain of HIV is rare. They show that identified cases that have been documented in medical journals (generally because wild-type, drug-sensitive HIV, has been replaced with drug-resistant strains of the virus) are quite rare.

Why have these few cases been identified? Generally because there has been a problem and the patient happens to have been in the right place (and at the right time) for that reinfection to be identified.

That may suggest that reinfection is rare. But that doesn’t preclude the equally plausible possibilities that reinfection is actually quite common, but not necessarily problematic .. or indeed that it is quite common and does cause problems, but is simply blamed on mutation and developing drug resistance.

We aren’t finding more cases of reinfection because there isn’t a structured program for finding them - and the ones we have documented have mostly been found by pure chance - so since few of us are ever subjected to the sort of scruitiny that would identify it, reinfection rates are almost certainly significantly higher than the documented cases suggest.

My reading of it is such that I restrict the bareback action to the one guy I trust to be totally honest about where his tackle has been (mainly because I don’t want syphilis, but thoughts about the risk of reinfection are certainly not absent).
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« Reply #78 on: January 20, 2008, 06:04:35 AM »
If you're already infected, you can't get "reinfected".

Sorry, but that is wrong.

then there is a possibility that you may acquire another strain

Which is the definition of reinfection (or superinfection).

Reinfection simply means a new or secondary infection by a virus that has already infected a person. With most viral diseases it is true to say that reinfection doesn’t normally occur - because once the immune system conquers the original viral infection, it creates immunity against that virus. With HIV (and indeed the common cold and the flu), because many versions of the virus are substantially different from that already present, reinfection does occur (and with HIV, there is of course the added complication that the immune system never actually conquers the virus).

Where I think a lot of the confusion stems from is that most of us seem to be quite happy to assume that reinfection has only occurred where there has been a rapid and unexplained progression to AIDS. That is, unfortunately (or should that be fortunately?), not the case.
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« Reply #79 on: January 20, 2008, 09:25:37 AM »
I think people should distinguish between dropping condoms for a regular partner and dropping them for any old body.

Call me shallow, but it takes more than an old body to get me to drop anything  ;)

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« Reply #80 on: January 20, 2008, 10:06:01 AM »

I think people should distinguish between dropping condoms for a regular partner and dropping them for any old body.  A lot of the replies here seem lighthearted.  But there are still risks/dangers in having unprotected sex with people who are HIV positive.  If people are aware and accept those risks, then fine.

Agreed, which is why I clarified what I was talking about in post #45.

For the record, if I were playing the field, I'd still use condoms even with other pozzies. I don't want a dose of ... whatever.

The guy I'm currently with is the guy I got my virus from in the first place. He's on meds and has not developed any resistances, so no worries about getting a different strain. (From what I understand, that's a rare occurance anyway.) He's also had a recent STI panel. I haven't, but my ex-partner did just before we split up in November and as I haven't been with anyone else since the last time I  had an STI panel, well, no worries!  

Poz on/under/in-between poz rocks! ;D


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« Reply #81 on: January 20, 2008, 12:07:43 PM »
I can't deny that sex without condoms is more enjoyable but I obtained the delights of syphilis at the same time as HIV and once was enough for me thankyou.  They are not coming near me with those penicillin injections ever again!
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« Reply #82 on: January 20, 2008, 01:15:58 PM »
I think there is a terminology problem here.

I said reinfection, not superinfection. From what I see, those terms are inter exchanged, but they don't mean the same thing. What i'm saying is that in the case of HIV, since immunity cannot be achieved, shooting strain x inside a body that already has strain x is not going to change much. I'm not talking about anything else than HIV here.

Or am I wrong?

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oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
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« Reply #83 on: January 20, 2008, 01:29:39 PM »
I always thought reinfection and superinfection were basically the same thing, infection of a second strain of HIV. 

What's the difference?

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« Reply #84 on: January 20, 2008, 02:21:01 PM »
Well someone knowledgeable would have to confirm. Being infected with another strain doesn't make the infection "super". It can be super, but usually it's equal to or lower to what you already have. Maybe we should use "primary infection", first time infected, "secondary infection", getting other strains that what you already have, and "super infection", where one of those secondary strains is uncontrollable with the meds you already take.

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oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
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feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
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« Reply #85 on: January 20, 2008, 02:27:12 PM »
I think there is a terminology problem here.

I said reinfection, not superinfection. From what I see, those terms are inter exchanged, but they don't mean the same thing. What i'm saying is that in the case of HIV, since immunity cannot be achieved, shooting strain x inside a body that already has strain x is not going to change much. I'm not talking about anything else than HIV here.

Or am I wrong?

Milker.

Reinfection and superinfection are exactly the same thing. One term is just a little more dramatic than the other and creates a sense of that rapid progression to AIDS.

Even using your definition of ‘superinfection’, all superinfections would be the result of reinfection.



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In addition to STIs, unprotected sex can have other health risks for HIV-positive people. There have been cases reported where a person with HIV has been reinfected, or 'superinfected', with another subtype or strain of HIV which is resistant to anti-HIV drugs.

In some cases, this has resulted in the person’s HIV viral load increasing and CD4 cell count falling. In addition, their treatment options have been limited because the type of HIV they were reinfected with was resistant to some or all of the anti-HIV drugs they were taking – and to others they had never taken.
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« Reply #86 on: January 20, 2008, 02:38:45 PM »
There's nothing super about my HIV infection.

All that bareback sex that led to it sure was, though.
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« Reply #87 on: January 20, 2008, 03:26:21 PM »
this was a fun read, I"ve been away for more than a month, mainly with my parents helping them out at 86 yo. Can't talk sex or make flip racy comments.

I know BB isn't safe, but when I was hiding my status and using condoms I just didn't have many playmates. So many guys would just walk away if I put the condom  on. So in LA, being a big city I've been serving the POZ bottom community now for 8 years. I have some very happy playmates that keep coming back for more. And one special guy tho we'll never be able to live together.

Yes I worry about the other diseases, I'd really hate to get Hep C  or especially Herpes . But I'd really hate to spend the rest of my life with just my hand. >:(


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« Reply #88 on: January 20, 2008, 03:43:50 PM »
Reinfection and superinfection are exactly the same thing. One term is just a little more dramatic than the other and creates a sense of that rapid progression to AIDS.

Even using your definition of ‘superinfection’, all superinfections would be the result of reinfection.
Thanks. In that case I agree that if the terms are the same, then my previous statement is incorrect.

There's nothing super about my HIV infection.

All that bareback sex that led to it sure was, though.
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« Reply #89 on: January 21, 2008, 07:12:14 AM »
The "super" in "superinfection doesn't mean "super" as in "great", it means "super" as in "superimposed". In other words, one infection on top of another.



hehehehe... one infection on top of the other... kinda like one pozzie on top of another. ;D

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« Reply #90 on: January 21, 2008, 07:27:12 AM »
I swear Ann gets randy when it rains  ;)

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« Reply #91 on: January 21, 2008, 07:31:19 AM »
The "super" in "superinfection doesn't mean "super" as in "great", it means "super" as in "superimposed". In other words, one infection on top of another.


. . . . or somesuch.  :)

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« Reply #92 on: January 21, 2008, 07:57:39 AM »
I swear Ann gets randy when it rains  ;)

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« Reply #93 on: January 21, 2008, 01:17:21 PM »
Time to become visual!

This guy obviously has a superinfection!

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« Reply #94 on: January 22, 2008, 12:01:53 AM »
This could be a stupid question but, STDs aside, won't the meds I'm on protect me from other strains of  HIV?  I'm having sex with a lad but I'm on meds and he is not.
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« Reply #95 on: January 23, 2008, 11:08:44 AM »
There's nothing super about my HIV infection.

All that bareback sex that led to it sure was, though.
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« Reply #96 on: January 23, 2008, 11:30:56 AM »
Hmmm... over a decade of high, unsuppresable viral load, multiple drug resistance issues, one case of gonorrhea from a LA porn star (very Studio54 of me!), copious bouts of anal warts from Carlos at the TomKat Bookstore, and a grade 4 external hemorrhoid -- all in the span of 18 months... well, it made me a more prudent individual.

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« Reply #97 on: January 24, 2008, 07:59:10 PM »
I'm sure I'm forgetting something.

Butt-herpes? Whenever I forget I have the Whore's Blossoms, they make a timely and painful reappearance.

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« Reply #98 on: January 24, 2008, 08:46:20 PM »
Nope.  Somehow I didn't get that one.  Sounds dreadful.
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« Reply #99 on: January 24, 2008, 09:14:47 PM »
Not only does it sound dreadful, it feels dreadful, too. I was in tears every time I went to the toilet. A bidet would be great too, as loo paper is not a nice option.
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« Reply #100 on: January 24, 2008, 09:44:49 PM »
Maybe I have missed something here!!!!
But I have been led to believe that you must pratice safe sex even +/+.  You can still get a worse virus than what you currently.  There are so many strains out there I would be more scared than before????

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« Reply #101 on: January 24, 2008, 10:09:15 PM »
You can still get a worse virus than what you currently.  There are so many strains out there I would be more scared than before?

This is more myth than reality and Matty the Damned says "Feh!" to it.

It's possible but extremely unlikely. In all the world the total number of poz-bodz who've acquired a nastier resistant "strain" of Iris the Virus through bareback fucking number less than two dozen. As someone noted earlier, you're more likely to manufacture your own resistant strain somewhere than catch one from someone somewhere along the line.

It's other STD's such as syphilis which are of more concern.

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« Reply #102 on: January 25, 2008, 04:33:45 PM »
my my i did start a topical subject :)
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13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
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« Reply #103 on: January 25, 2008, 04:40:07 PM »
my my i did start a topical subject :)

Topical? More like tropical, cuz it's so hot! ;) ;D

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« Reply #104 on: January 25, 2008, 10:20:08 PM »
Not to rain on your, um, parade, but Poz On Poz unprotected is just as dangerous because of the risk of contracting med-resistant strains or more virulent strains of the disease.  You may not be that sick now, but you sure don't want it to get worse.

And don't want to preach, but you are intending this in a monogamous setting, right?

I mean, as the one guy said, it didn't stop him before, but personally I wouldn't think it was worth the risk to either of you.

Just my $.02 worth.

(Sorry - should have read all the other posts)

And Matty, regardless of how low the chances are purported to be, isn't that a lot like playing Russian Roulette?
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #105 on: January 26, 2008, 12:40:50 PM »
Topical? More like tropical, cuz it's so hot! ;) ;D




Agreed.  Every time I see this thread title, I get ever so gently turned on just for a second.  And I don't think any discussion of BB Sex with Poz Lads would be complete without at least a mention of Lil' Steve's new avatar.  :P

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« Reply #106 on: January 26, 2008, 04:42:54 PM »
I love the topic to :D Gets me all warm and...umm yeah.

Personally, if both of us have low VL and on meds, I don't really see the problem. I BBed with a guy that was on the same meds as me...he is undetectable..I was at 510...don't see how we could harm each other.

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« Reply #107 on: January 27, 2008, 06:09:24 PM »
And Matty, regardless of how low the chances are purported to be, isn't that a lot like playing Russian Roulette?

I can understand why people feel this way, but things aren't this simple. We've discussed this at length many times and we always end up back at the same place. Superinfection doesn't warrant the fuss that's made over it. Contracting an additional, nastier strain from unprotected sex is vanishingly rare.

When we make superinfection the focus of the bareback debate we ignore the far greater risk (I'm talking greater by orders of magnitude here) of contracting another STD.

As has been noted previously STD's like syphilis and hepatitis B are a real problem especially for HIV positive people.

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« Reply #108 on: February 22, 2008, 12:24:13 PM »
I was diagnosed in March 2006 after ending up in hospital with PCP and Cytomegalovirus and lucky to be here.

At every appointment my consultant raises the issue of contracting a second strain of HIV and in particular one that is drug resistent. I never went BB and probably still wouldn't. I just don't have sex now. Guess I'm just paranoid that if there's anything out there, I'm going to catch it.

 :'( :'(

Would this be with multiple partners or when in a monogamous relationship? If the risks are known and considered worth taking, then then the decision has to be yours and your partners.

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« Reply #109 on: February 22, 2008, 12:39:41 PM »
I never went BB and probably still wouldn't.

Can't help but be curious as to how you came by the bug if you "never went BB".  You don't have to answer that, of course, but it does beg the question.
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« Reply #110 on: February 22, 2008, 01:43:02 PM »
Can't help but be curious as to how you came by the bug if you "never went BB".  You don't have to answer that, of course, but it does beg the question.

Up until 1996 I was working as a social worker mainly with drug users. I was assaulted by a client known to be HIV positive. In those days there was no HIV post-exposure prophylaxis available. I also remember a condom splitting as well.

I still work with this man's son as both his parents are now dead. I don't spend any time thinking about how I got this virus.  I don't blame anyone. I have it and I cant get rid of it. I need to use all my energy to live with it and get to tomorrow.
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« Reply #111 on: February 22, 2008, 01:47:59 PM »
Up until 1996 I was working as a social worker mainly with drug users. I was assaulted by a client known to be HIV positive. In those days there was no HIV post-exposure prophylaxis available. I also remember a condom splitting as well.

I still work with this man's son as both his parents are now dead. I don't spend any time thinking about how I got this virus.  I don't blame anyone. I have it and I cant get rid of it. I need to use all my energy to live with it and get to tomorrow.

I'm sorry to hear of your awful experiences, but am glad of your attitude to not focusing on assigning blame.  Welcome to the boards.

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« Reply #112 on: February 22, 2008, 06:04:05 PM »
I'm sorry to hear of your awful experiences, but am glad of your attitude to not focusing on assigning blame.  Welcome to the boards.

Thanks for your kind welcome Iggy. Life goes on and I seem to be quite good at getting back in the saddle. Hope things are going well for you  :)
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« Reply #113 on: February 23, 2008, 03:20:49 AM »
you all make my day. the last time i had great sex was march 31 2007 --> which was most likely the night hiv entered and stayed in my body. when i look back to that night i am pissed i didnt use a condom and pissed that i wasnt able to have sex with jose & miguel again (and again). why does the hottest sex of my life have to be wrought with hiv? hmm,

bb with poz lads ,have done it once since turning. for me, sex w/ condoms and sex w/o condoms feels the same (topping or bottoming). but, then again, many here can attest to the difference. the biggest change was in my head (the big one) when having unprotected sex.

damnit, whatever happened to jose & miguel?
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« Reply #114 on: February 23, 2008, 04:08:32 AM »
I gotta say I have held off on BB sex for the fear of getting other STDs... the idea of having multiple "social diseases" within my body just doesn't sound very attractive. But for how long I really don't know..

As for which one feels better, as a bottom I have come to the conclusion that the "alleged" satisfaction from BB sex is more psychological than physical. I did top w/o the rubber but it was years ago and it sent me on my way the biggest panic attack I ever had pre-diagnosis. I can't recall how it felt as I did it, er, under the influence. How I ended up being a BB bottom slut is still something I am trying to sort out... :-\ .. or not.. as I have already hit the jackpot...
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Jun 08 CD4=325(22%) Jul 08 CD4=301(18%)
Sep 08 CD4=257/VL=75,000 Oct 08 CD4=347(16%)
Dec 08 CD4=270(16%)
Jan 09 CD4=246(13%)/VL=10,000
Feb 09 CD4=233(15%)/VL=13,000
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #115 on: February 24, 2008, 11:51:31 PM »
I'll bareback with anyone who's up for it.
I tell them the score and then it's their choice. As for picking up another STD myself - syphillis is about the only one I've not had, and I'm really not concerned about the possibility of superinfection. 

edited to add: thanks for the compliments Timmy - we'll shag one day, don't worry about that  :o ;D
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« Reply #116 on: February 24, 2008, 11:57:37 PM »
Syphilis has a classic retro chic one just can't find in all these new fangled STDs. :)

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« Reply #117 on: February 25, 2008, 12:53:36 AM »
Syphilis has a classic retro chic one just can't find in all these new fangled STDs. :)

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Haha.. it does.. just like bad disco dancing and mirror balls. Did most of the British royalty have it?
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Dec 08 CD4=270(16%)
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Feb 09 CD4=233(15%)/VL=13,000
Started meds Sustiva/Epzicom
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Nov 09 CD4=437(26%)/VL=UD
Feb 10 CD4=471(31%)/VL=UD
June 10 CD4=517 (28%)/VL=UD
Sept 10 CD4=687 (31%)/VL=UD
Jan 11 CD4=557 (30%)/VL=UD
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Switched to Epizcom, Reyataz and Norvir
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« Reply #118 on: February 25, 2008, 12:57:27 AM »
Haha.. it does.. just like bad disco dancing and mirror balls. Did most of the British royalty have it?

I'm a bad disco dancer, and proud of it.  ;D
How I managed to escape it always amazed me. My boyfriend had it for a substantial amount of time, and despite never using condoms I never did pick it up. Says a lot for how much sex we were having at the time.  :-\
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« Reply #119 on: February 25, 2008, 12:05:29 PM »
Boy i need some Gay male friends...some of you guys are f'king Hilarious!!! and a bit raunchy..just how i like it! ;D and the lingo is to die for...
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« Reply #120 on: February 25, 2008, 03:27:50 PM »
Interesting, I'll say. But being the Queen that I am, I prefer the top to being on the bottom. I guess I just like being in control... ;) I have never been with another poz person or at least not to my knowledge. If I had the chance to, I think I would have to ask if the person has anything else I need to be concerned about. I don't need anything else that I can't get rid of. I am already dealing with this virus, being diabetic, and partially deaf, things that will be with me the rest of my life. I don't need anything else that wants to take up a permanent residence in my body.
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« Reply #121 on: February 26, 2008, 05:24:01 PM »
 I always perfer to bb . despite spending time getting to know someone before sex I still feel a Little uneasy and fearfull I may pick up a bug. I worry about hep. C. and herpies, they scare me the most. I live so far out in the woods I only manage to have sex about 2 times in five years. Oh well I guess I can bb if I just wash my hand first.

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« Reply #122 on: February 26, 2008, 07:38:47 PM »
  I only manage to have sex about 2 times in five years. Oh well I guess I can bb if I just wash my hand first.

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« Reply #123 on: February 26, 2008, 08:06:41 PM »
 I guess I have the ultimate safe sex... all alone  ::)

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« Reply #124 on: February 26, 2008, 09:26:14 PM »
Up until 1996 I was working as a social worker mainly with drug users. I was assaulted by a client known to be HIV positive.

Sorry to hear that, but I wonder how... Did he put a needle on you? Sorry I am nosy you don't have to answer.
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1/22/08: First tested Poz
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3/18/08: CD4 218; 26%; VL: 222K
4/24/08: CD4 402; 26%; VL: lab forgot
7/22/08: CD4 405; 25%; VL: 6,780
10/15/08: CD4 340, 26%; VL: N/A
2/4/09: CD4 394, 26%; VL: N/A
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« Reply #125 on: February 26, 2008, 09:27:41 PM »
I guess I have the ultimate safe sex... all alone  ::)

Get some toy?  ;) I was using a magic wand while reading this thread.
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3/18/08: CD4 218; 26%; VL: 222K
4/24/08: CD4 402; 26%; VL: lab forgot
7/22/08: CD4 405; 25%; VL: 6,780
10/15/08: CD4 340, 26%; VL: N/A
2/4/09: CD4 394, 26%; VL: N/A
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« Reply #126 on: February 26, 2008, 09:30:11 PM »
I gotta say I have held off on BB sex for the fear of getting other STDs... the idea of having multiple "social diseases" within my body just doesn't sound very attractive. But for how long I really don't know..

As for which one feels better, as a bottom I have come to the conclusion that the "alleged" satisfaction from BB sex is more psychological than physical. 

You must be my soul mate because you think exactly like me. Too bad I am also a slutty bottom now, otherwise we should BB with each other.  ;)
4/24/07: Last tested Neg
1/22/08: First tested Poz
1/30/08: CD4 393; 28%; VL: 44k
3/18/08: CD4 218; 26%; VL: 222K
4/24/08: CD4 402; 26%; VL: lab forgot
7/22/08: CD4 405; 25%; VL: 6,780
10/15/08: CD4 340, 26%; VL: N/A
2/4/09: CD4 394, 26%; VL: N/A
Jun 09: CD4 300, 25%; VL: 4000
Oct 09: CD4 324, 23%, VL: 10K
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« Reply #127 on: February 26, 2008, 09:38:12 PM »
Sorry to hear that, but I wonder how... Did he put a needle on you? Sorry I am nosy you don't have to answer.
 
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« Reply #128 on: February 26, 2008, 09:39:22 PM »
You must be my soul mate because you think exactly like me. Too bad I am also a slutty bottom now, otherwise we should BB with each other.  ;)

I am just stating the obvious Alive.. after I wrote this, I was thinking, like, how stupid, of course sex is "psychological" too. Although having someone cumming inside you does not provide any physical sensation, it did give me a "high". More like a conditioned fetish. And the point about not wanting to get multiple STDs, the emphasis is I don't know for how much longer this fear will hold me back from having BB sex... ;)
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Dec 08 CD4=270(16%)
Jan 09 CD4=246(13%)/VL=10,000
Feb 09 CD4=233(15%)/VL=13,000
Started meds Sustiva/Epzicom
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Aug 09 CD4=346(24%)/VL=UD
Nov 09 CD4=437(26%)/VL=UD
Feb 10 CD4=471(31%)/VL=UD
June 10 CD4=517 (28%)/VL=UD
Sept 10 CD4=687 (31%)/VL=UD
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Switched to Epizcom, Reyataz and Norvir
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« Reply #129 on: February 26, 2008, 09:46:04 PM »
 I joke around allot ..but I'm like komnaes , Fear of getting an std and a little maturity holds me back from just picking some stranger up just for sex . I just don't feel the urge to be self destructive as I used to be.

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« Reply #130 on: February 26, 2008, 10:52:59 PM »
Although having someone cumming inside you does not provide any physical sensation, it did give me a "high".

My problem is the guy who fucked me didn't even cum, and he was the only guy who I had BB sex last year, for only 3 (maybe 4) times! That's why I thought I should win lottery but too bad not even a dollar.
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4/24/08: CD4 402; 26%; VL: lab forgot
7/22/08: CD4 405; 25%; VL: 6,780
10/15/08: CD4 340, 26%; VL: N/A
2/4/09: CD4 394, 26%; VL: N/A
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« Reply #131 on: February 26, 2008, 11:00:42 PM »
My problem is the guy who fucked me didn't even cum, and he was the only guy who I had BB sex last year, for only 3 (maybe 4) times! That's why I thought I should win lottery but too bad not even a dollar.

Haha, keep trying then Alive. ;D As for me I was a total BB slut for a period of over 6 months so it wasn't even close to winning a lottery, it was more than trying to cross a busy 12 lanes highway in LA blindfolded and expecting not to get hit by a car...
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Dec 08 CD4=270(16%)
Jan 09 CD4=246(13%)/VL=10,000
Feb 09 CD4=233(15%)/VL=13,000
Started meds Sustiva/Epzicom
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Aug 09 CD4=346(24%)/VL=UD
Nov 09 CD4=437(26%)/VL=UD
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June 10 CD4=517 (28%)/VL=UD
Sept 10 CD4=687 (31%)/VL=UD
Jan 11 CD4=557 (30%)/VL=UD
April 11 CD4=569 (32%)/VL=UD
Switched to Epizcom, Reyataz and Norvir
(Interrupted for 2 months with only Epizcom & Reyataz)
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Oct 11 CD=771 (31%)/VL=UD(<30)
April 12 CD=609 (28%)/VL=UD(<20)
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« Reply #132 on: February 27, 2008, 10:59:15 AM »
I joke around allot ..but I'm like komnaes , Fear of getting an std and a little maturity holds me back from just picking some stranger up just for sex . I just don't feel the urge to be self destructive as I used to be.

I never felt lack of fear, immaturity or a desire to destroy oneself were prerequisites for anonymous sex. 

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« Reply #133 on: February 27, 2008, 12:18:19 PM »
 I am only more fearfull of anonymous sex because I don't know someones sexual history and also the fact that when I was having Lott's of anonymous sex I was drinking and drugging allot ...so for me at the time it was self destructive. I know that If I ever have another relationship I will probally bb. again if there are no clear health reason to make it inadvisable.

I also have a problem with bb. with someone I just met even after disclosing my hiv status. To protect the health and well being of someone that may be rushing into something in the heat of the moment.
I once had bb. sex with a guy who I told up front my hiv status, and later he told me that he only assumed he was positive and now had regrets and worry over unprotected sex. I felt horrible for him simply because I was 50% culpable of the ramifications of this.

I guess what I trying to say is , for me something as intimate as bb. is better shared with someone special and only after some carefull consideration for the other person and after frank discussion
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« Reply #134 on: February 27, 2008, 12:30:01 PM »

I guess what I trying to say is , for me something as intimate as bb. is better shared with someone special and only after some carefull consideration for the other person and after frank discussion

I understand where you are coming from and salute you on your personal choice.  I just think it's best to avoid broadly defining the rights and wrongs of sexual acts between two consenting adults.


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« Reply #135 on: February 27, 2008, 12:36:38 PM »
  I completely agree with you on that . The last thing I want is for anyone to think I'm judging them when we are all sharing and having a discussion.
  I am new to this forum and am trying my best to join in and make myself clearly understood.
  Thanks for giving me the opportunity to learn and clarify my thoughts   

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #136 on: February 27, 2008, 04:50:43 PM »
Sorry to hear that, but I wonder how... Did he put a needle on you? Sorry I am nosy you don't have to answer.

Yes it was a needle stick injury. Can't say it was the biggest prick I've ever had though  ;D ;D
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #137 on: February 27, 2008, 07:22:58 PM »
not posted in my thread for a while but wow what a responce
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24/01/08   755 :(      42%         4,010
13/2/08     922 :)      45%       78,234
09/04/08   652 :(      38%       36,604
05/05/08   936 :)      39%       38,952
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #138 on: February 27, 2008, 07:25:41 PM »
Well, what did you expect with that topic (BB)?

Edited to add:  I am all about barebacking with another poz person.  Just to set the record straight.  I don't want anyone thinking I'm a prude.
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #139 on: February 27, 2008, 09:40:39 PM »
I don't want anyone thinking I'm a prude.

Betty's a prude... Betty's a prude...

As if! ;D ;)
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #140 on: February 28, 2008, 01:00:01 AM »
Betty's a prude... Betty's a prude...

As if! ;D ;)

Hey that's my nickname!


he he he

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #141 on: February 28, 2008, 10:37:25 PM »
Yeah Sharky - your a prude. HAHAHA

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #142 on: February 29, 2008, 11:08:25 AM »
Hey that's my nickname!


he he he

Maybe someday we'll find out with all that 'oral' stimulation stuff you do. 
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #143 on: February 29, 2008, 11:53:42 AM »
Maybe someday we'll find out with all that 'oral' stimulation stuff you do. 

Haha,.. yeah, this guy has confessed of liking a pussy or two despite being GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY....
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #144 on: March 01, 2008, 10:31:25 PM »
Haha,.. yeah, this guy has confessed of liking a pussy or two despite being GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY....
Yeah Sharky - your a prude. HAHAHA



That is just a nickname, that's all.. an inaccurate one, but just a nickname.  There is a funny story for how I got that. though (but another thread)

And what is wrong with gay guy appreciating a women's body? (yet another thread)

Sharkie  ;D   :P   :P   :D   :o

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #145 on: March 01, 2008, 11:09:33 PM »

And what is wrong with gay guy appreciating a women's body? (yet another thread)

Sharkie  ;D   :P   :P   :D   :o

Actually I had never seen one until I was like 24ish. I went to Bangkok for the first time with a group of gay friends and someone stupidly decided to also go see a girlie show; and there they were - pussy smoking, pussy playing ping-pong, pussy eating banana... to put it mildly I was traumatized  ;D
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Sep 08 CD4=257/VL=75,000 Oct 08 CD4=347(16%)
Dec 08 CD4=270(16%)
Jan 09 CD4=246(13%)/VL=10,000
Feb 09 CD4=233(15%)/VL=13,000
Started meds Sustiva/Epzicom
May 09 CD4=333(24%)/VL=650
Aug 09 CD4=346(24%)/VL=UD
Nov 09 CD4=437(26%)/VL=UD
Feb 10 CD4=471(31%)/VL=UD
June 10 CD4=517 (28%)/VL=UD
Sept 10 CD4=687 (31%)/VL=UD
Jan 11 CD4=557 (30%)/VL=UD
April 11 CD4=569 (32%)/VL=UD
Switched to Epizcom, Reyataz and Norvir
(Interrupted for 2 months with only Epizcom & Reyataz)
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #146 on: March 01, 2008, 11:31:02 PM »
 I was in Bangkok once ....I only saw the pussy and the gold fish trick. As much as I hate to I just had to weigh in on bb.ing and gold fish.LOL

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #147 on: March 02, 2008, 09:28:43 AM »
Actually I had never seen one until I was like 24ish. I went to Bangkok for the first time with a group of gay friends and someone stupidly decided to also go see a girlie show; and there they were - pussy smoking, pussy playing ping-pong, pussy eating banana... to put it mildly I was traumatized  ;D

OMG.  That sounds fabulous!  I would LOVE to see that!

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #148 on: March 02, 2008, 11:27:34 AM »
I think ADD makes it  hard for me to really be afraid of future consequences i am so stuck in right now.  So um yeah I know all the risks and I only BB and only have slept  well had sex with other POZs since  i was infected. i sure hope i dont get a super infection, syph etc but  in reality i have  zero fear about the future till iit comes <no pun intended>. My Dr. redid the genotype  once  and then I read to get a genotype you need over 1000 viral load so what was the point?  I know it's a bad choice to BB. I know  with my labs and how well my body contained the intial infection a reinfection with a strain that was different might bring that house of cards down but it doesn't change my behavior.  In a way it's insane but it's how I got to here in the first place. I guess it's like  being a smoker for me. I know it's not a good choice but I want it soooo bad! The fact I know iis a step on the road to change but i even think about safe sex and I feel like a whiney chiild  who is having a toy taken away. A therapist, a Dr, a case worker  all talk to me about it and I am like Sam i am. I don't like condoms, I dont like them on the bed, i dont like them on the floor , I dont like them on the kitchen table, I dont like them in a tree  I dont like Condoms or green eggs and ham....
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #149 on: March 03, 2008, 04:36:44 AM »
OMG.  That sounds fabulous!  I would LOVE to see that!



Haha.. it's still going on so if you find your way to Bangkok Tim...

Actually I was told by a friend that until early 90s when AIDS really started to hit a lot of working girls/boys they would still do sex shows in the raw. A guy would screw a girl until he cummed inside and then she would, er, push it out for everyone to see. Cream pies I think that was how they called them. Now I think condoms are used, and they're surely used in the boys-on-boys shows.

Bangkok is such a crazy place.. which makes me wonder where the hell is Votz.. he's much better in writing abut those sleazy places than I ever can.
Aug 07 Diagnosed
Oct 07 CD4=446(19%) Feb 08 CD4=421(19%)
Jun 08 CD4=325(22%) Jul 08 CD4=301(18%)
Sep 08 CD4=257/VL=75,000 Oct 08 CD4=347(16%)
Dec 08 CD4=270(16%)
Jan 09 CD4=246(13%)/VL=10,000
Feb 09 CD4=233(15%)/VL=13,000
Started meds Sustiva/Epzicom
May 09 CD4=333(24%)/VL=650
Aug 09 CD4=346(24%)/VL=UD
Nov 09 CD4=437(26%)/VL=UD
Feb 10 CD4=471(31%)/VL=UD
June 10 CD4=517 (28%)/VL=UD
Sept 10 CD4=687 (31%)/VL=UD
Jan 11 CD4=557 (30%)/VL=UD
April 11 CD4=569 (32%)/VL=UD
Switched to Epizcom, Reyataz and Norvir
(Interrupted for 2 months with only Epizcom & Reyataz)
July 11 CD=520 (28%)/VL=UD
Oct 11 CD=771 (31%)/VL=UD(<30)
April 12 CD=609 (28%)/VL=UD(<20)
Aug 12 CD=657 (29%)/VL=UD(<20)
Dec 12 CD=532 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
May 13 CD=567 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
Jan 14 CD=521 (21%)/VL=UD(<50)

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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #150 on: March 03, 2008, 07:42:15 AM »
And what is wrong with gay guy appreciating a women's body? (yet another thread)

Sharkie  ;D   :P   :P   :D   :o

Women's bodies have long been known to be works of art.  So there's nothing wrong with it at all. 
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Re: BB SEX WITH POZ LADS
« Reply #151 on: March 03, 2008, 05:57:08 PM »
Women's bodies have long been known to be works of art.  So there's nothing wrong with it at all. 

amen to that. And Betty, you ARE a beautiful piece of art.

 :)
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