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Offline warcraft007

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Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« on: January 16, 2008, 07:47:10 AM »
Firstly,sorry to waste your time with my not creative question so I will try to be brief.You can answer to me just yes or no

I went to karaoke (place where woman will sit wit us to sing a song).I touched the area around her public hair sometimes  and I didn't place  my finger directly to tip of her vagina,never insertedl. I fear that my finger may get close to the tip of her vaginal and I got some vaginal fluid or blood from menstruation and I accidentally touched my eyes,nose or ears. That place is quite dark.However, I didn't feel like it's wet in my finger cause I never place my finger directly at the tip of vaginal.Plus I remember that night I never scratched my eyes hardly at all.
 
I have read other posts in the similar situation.And I think I was not at risk from this situation.Am I right?

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Re: Vaginal fluid to hand to eyes
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2008, 07:50:08 AM »
Risk from hiv ,I mean

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Re: Vaginal fluid to hand to eyes
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2008, 07:51:40 AM »
No risk and you've been told that in another forum.

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Re: Vaginal fluid to hand to eyes
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2008, 07:54:30 AM »
 Yes I already read in other forums but I feel like having to say this so sorry again and thank you for your dedication to help people

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Re: Vaginal fluid to hand to eyes
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2008, 08:12:55 AM »
wc,

Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus that is primarily transmitted INSIDE the human body, as in unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. Once hiv finds itself outside the body, it quickly becomes damaged and unable to infect. You did not have a risk.

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex with a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

Although you do NOT need to test over this incident, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

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Re: Vaginal fluid to hand to eyes
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2008, 02:12:18 PM »
No risk, obviously...but I have to ask:

Do they have naked karaoke somewhere that I don't know about?
AIDS isn't for sissies.

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Re: Vaginal fluid to hand to eyes
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2008, 09:59:23 AM »
not naked I put my hand to inside of her pantie

Offline warcraft007

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Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2008, 08:18:08 AM »
I was using a keyboard which had some thick fluid on it,I was not sure if I touched it or not.
Then I watched porn movie and masterbated.Could this be risky for hiv? I might touched that fluid and might pick up nose or rub eyes.What if that thick fluid were cum and precum from my brother who is sexually active. However I felt like that fluid is thicker than cum or precum or fluid from penis.

From studying,I was not at risk from hiv ,right? Thank you and hope I would not distrub you again.

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2008, 08:21:07 AM »
WC,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.

You have already been told that hiv cannot infect when it is outside the human body. Re-read your thread and re-read the Transmission Lesson. You can find the link in our Welcome Thread.

Make sure you read our posting guidelines while you're there.

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please help blood on sink
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2008, 10:57:21 AM »
Hi again.I just arrived in Bangkok,renting a hotel.I saw a medium size of blood(suspect) in the area below the sink after I used it.I am afraid my hand would touch it and then I touched my face,tranfering blood to eyes,nose,mouth.I am also paranoid that I smell scent of blood or iodine while wathcing face too.I  poured water to that group of blood(suspect) and found out that it is not dry.

I know you always say hiv does not tranfer outside body in environment but I'm scared.I just arrive at hotel to travel.

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Re: please help blood on sink
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2008, 11:01:43 AM »
Please keep all your questions and concerns in your original thread.

Offline warcraft007

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Re: please help blood on sink
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2008, 11:05:28 AM »
what's original thread? Sorry I don't know now I'm having anxiet.But I have  no risk right?

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Re: please help blood on sink
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2008, 11:11:51 AM »
ok I will post in my original thread again

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2008, 11:22:36 AM »
Hi again.I just arrived in Bangkok,renting a hotel.I saw a medium size of blood(suspect) in the area below the sink after I used it.I am afraid my hand would touch it and then I touched my face,tranfering blood to eyes,nose,mouth.I am also paranoid that I smell scent of blood or iodine while wathcing face too.I  poured water to that group of blood(suspect) and found out that it is not dry.

I know you always say hiv does not tranfer outside body in environment but I'm scared.I just arrive at hotel to travel.

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2008, 11:41:01 AM »
You were never at risk and you also knew that are answers to you were not going to change.

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2008, 12:33:05 PM »
I've merged your threads. As you have previously been requested, keep all of your comments and questions in this same thread.

Your latest concern is another non-risk. You should not need to be told the same thing each time. HIV is a fragile virus which is transmitted in a number of very limited ways. Instead of jumping in with another non-risk, re-read our lesson Transmission. And then apply the information there to your experiences.


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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2008, 02:32:18 AM »
thank you ,yes I know this  but some times I just can't control the fear;it's strong to me.That's why I keep posing to make me feel better .It's like hiv is chasing me everyday.Sorry to disturb you again again and again

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2008, 03:20:10 AM »
Unfortunately dealing with your mental health issues is not the purpose of this forum. You should take your problems up with a mental health professional. We cannot assist you with such things.

MtD

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2008, 09:33:42 PM »
HI I have found one website telling there is one case of hiv infected by  sharing toothbrush as following
 
Can a person get HIV from using someone's razor or toothbrush?

     It is possible to get HIV from using someone ' s razor or toothbrush since these items can cause cuts and scrapes, and may contain blood from the infected person. It is wise to avoid sharing personal items that may come into contact with another person's blood.

     There is one documented case of a child becoming HIV infected by sharing toothbrushes with parents who were both HIV infected. Transmission probably occurred from blood left on the toothbrushes.
www.albany.edu/sph/AIDS/aids101_2.htm

However I think that this site has no doctor or expert working on it.Unlike thebody.com that tells there's no case of hiv infection from toothbrush by doctors.

I want some opinion from you.Do you think this site is believable? I  also fear that I might pick the wrong toothbrush accidentally in the past.

Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2008, 09:34:28 PM »
Page not found. 404 error.

MtD

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2008, 09:42:47 PM »
What? You seriously think I'm gonna wade through all that shit because you think you might have used someone else's toothbrush? Not on your life.

The "documented case" you say is referred to in that link is very old and now disputed. HIV is not transmitted via sharing toothbrushes.

You have been told on previous occasions that you will not be allowed to post endlessly about no risk situations. I think it's time one of our Moderators reviewed this thread.

Reported.

MtD

Offline warcraft007

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2008, 09:58:14 PM »

I don't mean to bug anyone here.I'm just curious because I've found some information and want explanation.
look I also see this information from CDC

A 5-year-old child whose parents were both HIV-infected tested negative for HIV antibody in 1990 and July 1993 but tested positive in December 1993. In February 1994, all other close household contacts of the child tested HIV-antibody negative.

From January through December 1993, when the child was likely to have become infected, the child's parents were the only known HIV-infected persons with whom the child had any contact. During this period, the child lived with both parents until the father's death as the result of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) in May 1993. The child continued to live with the mother, who had AIDS, until 8 days before the child's last negative antibody test in July 1993. The child then lived in foster care.

The child had several opportunities for contact with HIV-infected blood and exudative skin lesions. Based on the mother's medical records and history, from March through August 1993 the mother had recurrent, purulent, exudative skin lesions (diagnosed as prurigo nodularis) on her face, neck, torso, buttocks, and extremities. She frequently scratched the lesions until they bled, left the lesions uncovered, and discarded onto the furniture or the floor the gauze and tissues used to wipe the exudate. During periods when the mother's skin lesions were uncovered and draining, the child frequently hugged and slept with the mother. In addition, the child intermittently had scabs from impetigo and abrasions that the mother sometimes picked off and caused to bleed. When the mother had intermittent gingival bleeding, she periodically shared a toothbrush with the child. From January through May 1993, the child had no known contact with the father's blood or body fluids, although the child sometimes used his toothbrush.
http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:ht_3-LRg95QJ:www.cdc.gov/mmwR/preview/mmwrhtml/0003097

Thanks for taking time for reading this information.I'm curious to know what you think

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2008, 10:16:31 PM »
Posted in 1994, which I doubt has any validity. Any time they say may have, should have, could have it means anything they say is just theories. 

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2008, 03:07:33 AM »
war,

According to the article, there were several possible vectors of infection in this case. The toothbrush is the least likely one.

Keep bringing this old stuff to this forum and I'll ban you. The purpose of this forum is real-life, current, risk assessment and giving out current testing practice information. It's not for debating fifteen-year-old medical case histories. Got it? Good.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Offline warcraft007

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question of hiv antigen p24 test
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2008, 06:48:40 AM »
Hi again,I hope everyone here is fine.

I'm sorry to disturb you again with my endless mental problem.

I was stress about my fear of hiv and drank beer so I went to a commercial sex place which is very dangerous because it's cheap.

I wore condom to my finger and inserted into her vaginal quite deep.I also wore another condom to penis and let she give handjob.

After that she used her hand to take off condom in finger and condom in penis.Her hands were contaminated with her own vaginal fluid. Then I went to the bathroom and she sent an envelop of soap to me(she still didn't wash her hand) Therefore that envelop of soap might had her vaginal fluid.I fear that I might touched it and accidentally touches eyes or nose.After I finished washing hands with soap I also touched my penis for 30 sec.

In the morning of the next day,I couldn't take it anymore and went to take hiv antibody and antigen p24 test.Both of them are negative(it means all your advises to me previously are true)

The man who tested me is a teacher in a university.He said to me p24 can be used at this soon period.
Anyway after I got home a doctor in a website told me it can't be this soon to take a test.
I've read from many sources and the time frame for p24 can be from few days to several weeks.So now I get mixed-up with data.

I know you would say that I was not at risk from the situation I described but is p24 taken after the one night is useful in my case from your knowledge?

Thank you very much.I hope you won't delete my post.



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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2008, 07:06:07 AM »
You were not at risk for HIV. Seek professional mental help.

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2008, 07:16:25 AM »
Thank you Rapidrod ,many times you have answered me. Another point I'd like to know  is about p24 taken one night can help little or not? Cause I have received conflicting advise.Between one who is a teacher in a medical related faculty that say it can be done as in donated blood.And another one who is a doctor said it can't.

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2008, 07:19:08 AM »
The link to the Lessons is up at the top of the page.

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2008, 08:07:49 AM »
Indeed I have read information from many sources.The time frame varies from few days to weeks.just hope p24 one night would help in diagnose hiv, although I know I was not at risk

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2008, 08:12:05 AM »
war,

You've been coming here long enough to understand what is and what isn't a risk for hiv infection, yet you keep coming back with no-risk situations.

If you've read the posting guidelines in the Welcome Thread like I asked you to, you will have read the following:

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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

Please consider yourself warned.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2008, 09:57:46 AM »
Thanks Ann for help me to remember my user and pass.I feel bad to disturb you again since I have been a member for a long time.It seems like my hiv fear defend  hasn't improved much.
I have things to concern:

In one night,
-I had an old very small wound from electric shock which  was around 5 days old in my finger.It looks pretty much healed like nothing to worry about (only redness  and skin layer to cover some part) .It's in the area that might be damaged easily from touching things
-I used that hand to touch a woman's pant in her genital area(Only touching outside her pants)
-I  touched around her belly and little lower but not reach pubic area

Even thought I have a fresh wound ,it should not be risky for hiv from this behavior right?
The next day I look at the wound,I think it still in good condition.

I must appologize from the question.I read and read many websites;still it has been distrubing me for a week now

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2008, 10:09:22 AM »
War,

Thank you for returning to your original account.

As I told you in your other thread, this is basically the same no-risk question you originally came here with. Did you even bother to re-read this thread?

Even if you put your electric-shock finger inside her vagina, you'd still have NO RISK.

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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2008, 10:18:04 AM »
thanks agian ANN ,I fear you will kick me out becuase of endless stupid questions t but you still endure  it,I do hope not to disturb anyone again  :D

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2008, 11:01:18 PM »
Hi rapid rod,Ann ,and everybody

I don't want to distub you but I am in need of help again.

I was drunk and I called one girl.I didn't have sex. I briefly touched her vaginal with little scratch on finger but it should not be a problem. I don't think I rubbed eyes or pick nose while touching vaginal.
I think I washed my hand after this.However I was drunk at that time.What if I missed something such as accendenly touch eyes or forgot washing hand and rub eyes afther that? I'm quite sure I didn't do that. Next morning I also found  little red thing in my nail.Could it be blood?

From studying this website,I still think there is no risk,right?
Thank you please reply me.
 

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2008, 11:21:55 PM »
Reread reply 30. It's still in effect.

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2008, 04:10:19 AM »
thank you.It's becuase hiv has to transmit in the body.Somebody from medhelp.org told me that hiv   lose ability to infect when touching air,right?

Thank you so much I hope not to come and disturb you again.

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2008, 10:19:11 AM »
HIV is a fragile virus and not easily transmitted other than by unprotected vaginal and anal intercourse. It is NOT transmitted by touch or other sorts of contact of the sort you are worrying about.

The biggest red flag in what you are reporting is that you were having casual sex when you were drunk. Doing that puts you in danger of making bad decisions. Mixing casual sex and heavy drinking is something you need to avoid.

This time you are worrying needlessly about HIV.

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2008, 06:29:27 PM »
one quick question.
What is casual sex? The thing I mentioned to you can be considered a casual sex? touching?
I have not had any insertive vaginal.

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2008, 06:48:53 PM »
and what  did u mean by making a bad decision? does it mean I may put myself at risk by having insertive vaginal ? please  clarify me,thank you.

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2008, 07:31:45 PM »
What I was referring to is that excessive drinking impairs one's ability to keep in mind always practicing safer sex and specifically using condoms for intercourse.

I wasn't saying you had unsafe sex. I haven't said anything like that to you. I was saying that getting drunk and then having sex when you don't have all of your faculties is potentially putting yourself at risk. Have sex if you want to. How about doing it soberly is my suggestion. 

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2008, 07:50:29 PM »
thank you sir

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #42 on: December 17, 2008, 03:32:15 AM »
Sorry again I have a question about fluid from woman's orgasm.I ask becuase I saw ur reply that  vaginal fluid around the tip of vaginal isn't a risk for hiv.What about fluid from orgasm of woman? Can it transmit this way?

I went to strip club.A naked girl sat on my pant sometimes.She said that she came to orgasm several times and she said there were lots of her fluid. When I touched her vaginal,I told myself not to rub eyes or pick nose so no worry,however  I wasn't aware much when touching  my pant(that should had her vaginal fluid) and I might touch eyes,nose at that time  .But I think I hardly touched eyes ,nose all the process.

Please help me.If it is not fluid from orgasm,I will not post a question to you but it is.Can it transmit when touching my pant then touch eyes,or nose?

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #43 on: December 17, 2008, 03:38:50 AM »
potty008, you were told in another forum that you did not have a risk of contracting HIV in that manner. You've been here long enough to have read the lesson section on transmission.

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #44 on: December 17, 2008, 03:41:16 AM »
Thank you .I 'm just concerned about fluid from orgasm but I think you already give me the answer.

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #45 on: December 17, 2008, 05:26:11 AM »
War,

Believe me, women don't cum from giving lap-dances. She was flattering you to get more money out of you.

Even if she DID cum, it didn't put you at risk for anything. Your pants are not going to get infected with anything and you can't get infected through your pants with anything. 

You've been coming here for nearly a year now. You should have a better grip on the basics of hiv transmission by now. We're not here to hold you hand every time you have a sexual experience.

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #46 on: December 17, 2008, 06:53:35 AM »
oh thank you for a new information ,Ann ;)
Thank you everybody for your taking care of me for almost 2 year.
Believe me I don't want it to be like this too:I keep asking and asking and everytime I ask I also feel bad but I can't resist to ask.

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2008, 04:13:27 AM »
Sorry again. I have another question.

If a girl gives anal or vaginal lap dance (naked) and a penis covered with underwear and long pant is slighty penetrate to anal or vaginal .Could it be a risk? Could a  penis enter by this way? I could not feel obvious penetration at all.

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2008, 05:38:57 AM »
 Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

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Re: Sorry again for a question about hiv outside body
« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2008, 09:06:08 AM »
Read our lesson on transmission. You've been coming here long enough to have gotten the basics down by now.

We are here to inform but we are  not here to respond everytime you have another variation on a non-risk pop into your mind. And you will get a time out if you continue to come back here without bothering to do something basic like reading the lesson and really taking that in.
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