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Author Topic: Olbermann on Prop 8  (Read 2374 times)

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Offline bmancanfly

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Olbermann on Prop 8
« on: November 11, 2008, 09:02:41 AM »
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."

 Bertrand Russell

Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: Olbermann on Prop 8
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2008, 09:11:41 AM »
That was moving. Thanks for sharing it.

Offline Peter Staley

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Re: Olbermann on Prop 8
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2008, 09:13:49 AM »
Yes, amazing.

EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH THIS!

Offline sharkdiver

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Re: Olbermann on Prop 8
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2008, 10:09:39 AM »
damn, I was just going to post this  ;D

good stuff

Offline Snowangel

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Re: Olbermann on Prop 8
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2008, 11:52:19 AM »
Thanks, Bman!
Of all the things you wear, your expression is the most important

The heaviest thing you can carry is a grudge..

One thing you can give and still keep...is your word.

One thing you can't recycle is wasted time.

Offline Denver Toad

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Re: Olbermann on Prop 8
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2008, 05:40:13 PM »
For those that can't YT @ work, or like me, prefer to read and savor Olberman's eloquent words...

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Finally tonight as promised, a Special Comment on the passage, last week, of Proposition Eight in California, which rescinded the right of same-sex couples to marry, and tilted the balance on this issue, from coast to coast.
Some parameters, as preface. This isn't about yelling, and this isn't about politics, and this isn't really just about Prop-8.  And I don't have a personal investment in this: I'm not gay, I had to strain to think of one member of even my very extended family who is, I have no personal stories of close friends or colleagues fighting the prejudice that still pervades their lives.
And yet to me this vote is horrible. Horrible. Because this isn't about yelling, and this isn't about politics. This is about the human heart, and if that sounds corny, so be it.
If you voted for this Proposition or support those who did or the sentiment they expressed, I have some questions, because, truly, I do not understand. Why does this matter to you? What is it to you? In a time of impermanence and fly-by-night relationships, these people over here want the same chance at permanence and happiness that is your option. They don't want to deny you yours. They don't want to take anything away from you. They want what you want—a chance to be a little less alone in the world.
Only now you are saying to them—no. You can't have it on these terms. Maybe something similar. If they behave. If they don't cause too much trouble.  You'll even give them all the same legal rights—even as you're taking away the legal right, which they already had. A world around them, still anchored in love and marriage, and you are saying, no, you can't marry. What if somebody passed a law that said you couldn't marry?
I keep hearing this term "re-defining" marriage. If this country hadn't re-defined marriage, black people still couldn't marry white people. Sixteen states had laws on the books which made that illegal in 1967. 1967.
The parents of the President-Elect of the United States couldn't have married in nearly one third of the states of the country their son grew up to lead. But it's worse than that. If this country had not "re-defined" marriage, some black people still couldn't marry black people. It is one of the most overlooked and cruelest parts of our sad story of slavery. Marriages were not legally recognized, if the people were slaves. Since slaves were property, they could not legally be husband and wife, or mother and child. Their marriage vows were different: not "Until Death, Do You Part," but "Until Death or Distance, Do You Part." Marriages among slaves were not legally recognized.
You know, just like marriages today in California are not legally recognized, if the people are gay.
And uncountable in our history are the number of men and women, forced by society into marrying the opposite sex, in sham marriages, or marriages of convenience, or just marriages of not knowing, centuries of men and women who have lived their lives in shame and unhappiness, and who have, through a lie to themselves or others, broken countless other lives, of spouses and children, all because we said a man couldn't marry another man, or a woman couldn't marry another woman. The sanctity of marriage.
How many marriages like that have there been and how on earth do they increase the "sanctity" of marriage rather than render the term, meaningless?
What is this, to you? Nobody is asking you to embrace their expression of love. But don't you, as human beings, have to embrace... that love? The world is barren enough.
It is stacked against love, and against hope, and against those very few and precious emotions that enable us to go forward. Your marriage only stands a 50-50 chance of lasting, no matter how much you feel and how hard you work.
And here are people overjoyed at the prospect of just that chance, and that work, just for the hope of having that feeling.  With so much hate in the world, with so much meaningless division, and people pitted against people for no good reason, this is what your religion tells you to do? With your experience of life and this world and all its sadnesses, this is what your conscience tells you to do?
With your knowledge that life, with endless vigor, seems to tilt the playing field on which we all live, in favor of unhappiness and hate... this is what your heart tells you to do? You want to sanctify marriage? You want to honor your God and the universal love you believe he represents? Then Spread happiness—this tiny, symbolic, semantical grain of happiness—share it with all those who seek it. Quote me anything from your religious leader or book of choice telling you to stand against this. And then tell me how you can believe both that statement and another statement, another one which reads only "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
You are asked now, by your country, and perhaps by your creator, to stand on one side or another. You are asked now to stand, not on a question of politics, not on a question of religion, not on a question of gay or straight. You are asked now to stand, on a question of love. All you need do is stand, and let the tiny ember of love meet its own fate.
You don't have to help it, you don't have it applaud it, you don't have to fight for it. Just don't put it out. Just don't extinguish it. Because while it may at first look like that love is between two people you don't know and you don't understand and maybe you don't even want to know. It is, in fact, the ember of your love, for your fellow person just because this is the only world we have. And the other guy counts, too.
This is the second time in ten days I find myself concluding by turning to, of all things, the closing plea for mercy by Clarence Darrow in a murder trial.
But what he said, fits what is really at the heart of this:
"I was reading last night of the aspiration of the old Persian poet, Omar-Khayyam," he told the judge. It appealed to me as the highest that I can vision. I wish it was in my heart, and I wish it was in the hearts of all: So I be written in the Book of Love; I do not care about that Book above. Erase my name, or write it as you will, So I be written in the Book of Love."

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Kiss slowly, Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably, And never regret anything that made you smile.

Offline Oceanbeach

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Re: Olbermann on Prop 8
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2008, 06:00:31 PM »
Thank you Bman,

I just had a conversation with a special person in my life who went to the City of Berkeley as a volunteer for the NO on 8 committee.  His group of 100 volunteers were sent to say, "Vote no on Prop 8 because it is unconstitutional." Berkeley is the home of the Free Speech movement and the furthest left of any California cities, not an effective use of man power.  Thank you for posting this, I will forward the link.  ;D  Have the best day
Michael

Offline J.R.E.

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Re: Olbermann on Prop 8
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2008, 09:16:29 PM »


Kieth Olbermann at his finest !! I watch him nightly.


Ray
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Offline fearless

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Re: Olbermann on Prop 8
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2008, 09:53:26 PM »
Great words, but it is a pity that he did not air them before the vote. He may have been able to persuade a few more to vote against the proposition.

We will win in the end, in the US and Aus and other like minded societies that continue to drag the chain on this issue.
Be forgiving, be grateful, be optimistic

Offline randym431

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Re: Olbermann on Prop 8
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2008, 02:32:52 AM »
Yeah. Very good but a little late.

Offline sharkdiver

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Re: Olbermann on Prop 8
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2008, 09:59:37 AM »
No, I don't think a little late.  This video has been distributed to thousands of people so far. This defeat has certainly sparked activism, especially in the younger  crowd that I have noticed. There have been more and more straight, young adults and families that have been demonstrating for equality at each of the scheduled events so far. This has become less of an issue of marriage equality and more of an issue of equal rights for all.





Offline bmancanfly

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Re: Olbermann on Prop 8
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2008, 07:35:52 PM »
This is a great clip to send to anyone you know who might still be on the fence about this issue.  Reaching out to those who are persuadable is key.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."

 Bertrand Russell

Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: Olbermann on Prop 8
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2008, 06:51:23 AM »
I hope Obama watches it.

Offline Oceanbeach

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Re: Olbermann on Prop 8
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2008, 02:45:21 PM »
Currently, the lawsuits have been filed by the City of San Francisco, San Jose and Los Angeles and also by the Law Offices of Gloria Allred.  The court has asked the state for a response.  AG, Jerry Brown has taken the side of the voters in favor of discrimination and there will be more to follow.  ;D  Have the best day
Michael


Offline Oceanbeach

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Re: Olbermann on Prop 8
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2008, 01:35:00 AM »
Courts to rule in December

www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20081119/Gay.Marriage.Lawsuits   ;D  Have the best day
Michael

 


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