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Offline leoncito

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no risk at all, saliva on the eyes?
« on: December 29, 2007, 02:06:42 PM »
Hi..today ivegot sexual relation with a girl ("protected" vaginal intercourse). Iam a straight guy and i tested negative for Hiv after 3 months since my last sexual relation (before today). Describing the situacion: after one minute of relation i heared that the condom broke(like when the baloon  exploded) and immediately i stop the penetration (almost one second after the condom broke). After that i washed with soup and water.

I know that the incident was risky so i have to test after the 13 weeks. But what i wants to know is the real risk of the situation (extremely rare, very low, low,....). I really apreciated ur help. Thank u

Offline leoncito

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Re: Condom broke- real risk?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2007, 03:15:15 PM »
Should i treat with pep?

Offline leoncito

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Re: Condom broke- real risk?
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2007, 04:04:40 PM »
Can anybody help me plz??

Offline OMDM

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Re: Condom broke- real risk?
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2007, 05:20:43 PM »
Hi - from my readings, the likelihood of you getting infected with HIV from having momentary unprotected sex with a woman are negligible at worst.  I've read the odds somewhere on the odds of getting infected from a woman with unprotected intercourse as being 1 in 100,000 attempts or something like that.

I wouldn't worry whatsoever - just keep using protection and perhaps get tested in a month or so to settle your fears.

Incidentally, if, at worst, you did get infected, HIV is no longer certain death as new drugs like Atripla (1 pill per day) will keep you alive indefinitely. I started it last July and within 20 days, my viral load ("VL") went from 105,000 to virtually zero.

Keep us up but stop worrying.

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Re: Condom broke- real risk?
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2007, 05:25:03 PM »
OMDM, did Ann or Andy give you permission to post in this forum? Make sure you get there permission before you post in this forum.

Offline leoncito

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Re: Condom broke- real risk?
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2007, 05:27:25 PM »
thank you! another opinion?

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Re: Condom broke- real risk?
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2007, 06:02:58 PM »
Leon, your concern is understandable. The good news is that HIV is not an easy virus to transmit. Even IF the woman you were with is HIV+, which you don't know for sure, it is significantly harder to transmit HIV from female to male. This was a very brief, single incident. Until the condom broke it protected you.

Taking all of those factors into consideration the odds are overwhelmingly in your favor against transmission having occured. PEP is absolutely NOT indicated in this situation. Yes, you do need to test at 13 weeks and I expect you will test negative.

In the meantime stay productively busy and the waiting time will pass more quickly than you imagine possible at this point.

Keep us posted on your result. Good luck.

Cheers,
Andy Velez

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Re: Condom broke- real risk?
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2007, 06:13:48 PM »
thank u andy! another question, Have u ever hear about an infection under the situation described?

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Re: Condom broke- real risk?
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2007, 06:17:30 PM »
I can't think of a single occasion of guy becoming infected from this kind of situation.

By the way, for future reference make sure you are using "fresh" date condoms and that they fit you properly.
Andy Velez

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Re: Condom broke- real risk?
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2007, 06:19:30 PM »
thank u andy! now im trying to find mind peace untill the test!

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Re: Condom broke- real risk?
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2007, 07:31:21 PM »
Good. Just stay productively busy with other matters and you'll see how it helps.
Andy Velez

Offline leoncito

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Re: Condom broke- real risk?
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2008, 03:11:13 AM »
another question, could we say that the risk of this situation is just theorical? coz in the real life infection doesnt happen? formulating the question in other way, the probabilily to be infected is too minute so we r talking just a theorical risk?

Offline RapidRod

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Re: Condom broke- real risk?
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2008, 04:55:02 AM »
No, it cannot be said to be theoretical.

Offline leoncito

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Re: Condom broke- real risk?
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2008, 03:08:27 PM »
but, is unlikely to be infected for 2-3 seconds of unprotected vaginal insertive sex, right?

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Re: Condom broke- real risk?
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2008, 05:13:45 PM »
Yes, it is extremely unlikely that you became infected during that very brief exposure.

I expect you will test negative.
Andy Velez

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no risk at all, saliva on the eyes?
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2008, 08:24:16 AM »
Hi,  i  had an incident (i dont know if call this an incident) where somebody who is from some part of africa split a very tiny amount of saliva in my eye while he was talking, I wanna know if there was risk, im worried in the worse of cases maybe was blood in the saliva, who knows.. please quantify my risk. Thank you!!

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Re: no risk at all, saliva on the eyes?
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2008, 08:31:54 AM »
Leon,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.

Not only is saliva not infectious, but it also contains over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv and render it unable to infect. You did not have a risk, no matter where the spitter hails from.

No risk.

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Re: no risk at all, saliva on the eyes?
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2008, 08:37:03 AM »
ann, even if there was blood in the saliva? anyways, thank u very much for ur answers!

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Re: no risk at all, saliva on the eyes?
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2008, 08:38:14 AM »
Yes Leon, even if there was blood in the saliva, you were not at risk.

MtD

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Re: no risk at all, saliva on the eyes?
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2008, 09:05:41 AM »
thanks matt!

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am I infected?!
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2010, 11:44:47 PM »
Nowadays iam working at a clinical lab. Ten minutes after my co-worker extracted blood to an HIV infected guy, i had realized that i had some blood on my fingers. My concern is that I could get the HIV virus if that blood was from that guy and if i rubbed my eyes during those ten minutes! SHOULD I GET TESTED!? PLEASEE HELP ME!!
« Last Edit: April 21, 2010, 11:47:16 PM by leoncito »

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« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2010, 11:58:57 PM »
Please keep all your thoughts questions and comments in your original thread. This helps us follow your story and give you the most accurate advice.

If you cannot find your original thread, please click the red link I have posted above. Alternatively you can use the "Show own posts" link which appears in the uppermost left hand column on any forum page.

Your questions will not be answered unless you return to your original thread

Please take the time to read our Welcome Thread and familiarise yourself with the posting guidelines.

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Offline leoncito

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Am i Infected!?
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2010, 12:03:24 AM »
Nowadays iam working at a clinical lab. Ten minutes after my co-worker extracted blood to an HIV infected guy, i had realized that i had some blood on my fingers. My concern is that I could get the HIV virus if that blood was from that guy and if i rubbed my eyes some moment during those ten minutes! SHOULD I GET TESTED!? PLEASEE HELP ME!!
« Last Edit: April 22, 2010, 12:06:41 AM by leoncito »

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Re: no risk at all, saliva on the eyes?
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2010, 12:49:32 AM »
Please read the lessons here on how HIV is and is not transmitted.... if you are going to continue working in a clinical where you will be involved with infectious blood then you really need to educate yourself, otherwise you will be stressing out at every little drop of blood you come in contact with.

You DO NOT need to test over this.

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Offline leoncito

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Re: no risk at all, saliva on the eyes?
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2010, 12:56:31 AM »
even though i rubbed my eyes with the blood-stained hand!? S
« Last Edit: April 22, 2010, 12:59:40 AM by leoncito »

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Re: no risk at all, saliva on the eyes?
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2010, 05:11:36 AM »
Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

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Re: no risk at all, saliva on the eyes?
« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2010, 07:59:28 AM »
You have already been told repeatedly that saliva is not a risk for HIV transmission. Additionally, HIV is a fragile virus and is not transmitted from environmental surfaces including hands. You are worrying needlessly.

At this point I am going to warn you that we are not going to do another cycle with you of back and forths about this issue. You may need to have some conversation with a counselor since you seem to worry a lot about this issue. We can't help you with that in this setting. In any case, if you return here again with this same kind of non-risk you are going to find yourself getting a Time Out from the site. Consider yourself warned about this.

This is not an HIV problem. And while you are it, re-read our lesson on Transmission. There's a link to it in the Welcome thread which opens this section and it gives you all of the basics you need to know.
Andy Velez

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Re: no risk at all, saliva on the eyes?
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2010, 11:44:49 PM »
Hi andy, ann and rod! Its me again. I had a possible HIV exposure scenario. Could you estimate the risk of the follow scene? Yesterday i ve done protected vaginal intercourse. In addition to this, ive received unprotected oral sex from this girl for less than 1 minute. Also, when i was removing the condom, the exterior of the last which had vaginal fluid entered in contact with my pennis urethra.

1- Whats the risk to get infected through receiving unprotected oral sex?!!
2- Whats the risk to get infected due to the removing incident?!
3- Do i need to test for HIV?!

PLEASEE HELP ME!!!
« Last Edit: May 31, 2010, 11:46:40 PM by leoncito »

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Re: no risk at all, saliva on the eyes?
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2010, 11:53:06 PM »
Congrats on having protective vaginal sex!

None of the other activities you mentioned could put you at risk for HIV. Obviously, having read the "transmissions" lessons and having had multiple conversations regarding saliva, you know the facts re: your first point.

As for fluids when removing the condom, that is not an HIV risk.

As for your getting tested, I always recommend a full STD screening for people with active sex lives at least twice a year. Putting an HIV test into that routine will help you overcome your terror of HIV.

Also, perhaps seeing someone about your reluctance to accept HIV transmission theory might bode well for you.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Re: no risk at all, saliva on the eyes?
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2010, 12:02:21 AM »
Thank you very much!

However, what if she had sores or gums bleeding in her mouth?! Could be that a risk scenario!?

About the second question, the contact with the "contamined" condom was inmediately after the vaginal intercourse.

In regards to the third question, summing up what did u say, "its not necesary to test for HIV", right?

Thank you again!
« Last Edit: June 01, 2010, 12:07:02 AM by leoncito »

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« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2010, 12:36:56 AM »
Nope. Saliva contains over a dozen identified elements which inhibit HIV replication and render in non-viable.

No one has EVER been confirmed to have gotten HIV from receiving oral sex, or from a "contaminated" condom. Such a thing just does not happen.

You do not NEED to be tested for HIV. I ALWAYS suggest a routine test for any sexually active person.
"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Re: no risk at all, saliva on the eyes?
« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2010, 09:52:59 AM »
Thank u but I am still worried!! WHY!? 

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Re: no risk at all, saliva on the eyes?
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2010, 09:55:46 AM »
Leon,

If you cannot let go of your unfounded worries about hiv, I suggest you seek the help of a counsellor or therapist. We cannot help you with that here.

We can only give you the facts of hiv transmission and testing. The fact in your case is that you have not been at risk for hiv infection and you do not need to test over this latest incident.

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Re: no risk at all, saliva on the eyes?
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2010, 10:08:34 AM »
Thank you ann!! i think is just a matter of time. I need a couple of days to find peace of mind! Thanks again ann and jkinatl2!

 


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