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Offline STB

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My Situation - Nervous Wreck
« on: July 12, 2006, 09:59:44 PM »
I've been a wreck for a little over a week while waiting for my HIV test to come back.  There's a good chance that when I call tomorrow they will have my results ready, and I'll be able to go get them.  I just found this site, so I figured I'd see what people have to say about my recent scare.  Here it goes....

I recently found out that someone I was with in October tested positive for HIV in December.  We performed oral on eachother.  He actually swallowed my cum.  He did not cum in my mouth.  Nor has anyone.  I don't remember if there was pre-cum or not.  I can't get hold of him at all.  So my first concern was that he was positive when we had oral, in which case I was exposed by sucking him.  My mouth would have been in "every day condition".  No oral surgury, open wounds, etc.  But who knows about those small cuts that you don't see, etc.  My second concern is that I was positive prior to us being together and I infected him when he took my cum in his mouth.  Again, if I was infected prior it would most likely have to been due to pre-cum in my mouth (again nobody has cum in my mouth, although I've had pre-cum in my mouth.  and I've never done anal at all). 

I read the range of opinions, thoughts, studies, etc on oral.  I know there is some risk, and it's hard to quantify that risk.  My nerves are shot though.  The fact is that this guy is positive.  Any feedback people have for me would be appreciated.

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Re: My Situation - Nervous Wreck
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2006, 10:07:06 PM »
STB,

Oral sex is very, very low risk for the performer, and no risk for the receiver.  As he did not cum and you did not do anal it futher diminishes your risk.  I think your odds are very good on avoiding infection in what you describe.

There have been long term studies with couples where one is positive and one is neg and the only protection used was condoms for penetrative sex.  After thousands of unprotected blowjobs, not one infection.

Bottom line:  Oral sex alone is a very small risk.  You should be fine.

Morgan
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Re: My Situation - Nervous Wreck
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2006, 10:09:13 PM »

I too am going through this anxiety, I just want you to know that you are not alone.

At the end of the day, regardless of the result.....we're still alive and gonna stay that way!!!

I wish for you nothing but the best!

 
« Last Edit: July 12, 2006, 10:16:33 PM by Broken »

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Re: My Situation - Nervous Wreck
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2006, 10:12:09 PM »
Broken,

You are in no position to be dishing out advice on this forum.  Please confine your remarks to your own thread.

I would NEVER quantify anal sex as small risk..... as a matter of fact, it doesn't get much higher.

Morgan
« Last Edit: July 12, 2006, 10:15:40 PM by Morgan »
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Re: My Situation - Nervous Wreck
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2006, 10:17:57 PM »
Broken,

You are in no position to be dishing out advice on this forum.  Please confine your remarks to your own thread.

I would NEVER quantify anal sex as small risk..... as a matter of fact, it doesn't get much higher.

Morgan

My apologies, post modified.

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Re: My Situation - Nervous Wreck
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2006, 10:26:19 PM »
Thanks Broken.   ;)
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Re: My Situation - Nervous Wreck
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2006, 10:28:31 PM »
Thanks guys.  Morgan, can you comment on the possibility of HIV getting into my body via the tongue or inside of the mouth?  Can it just be absorbed into the tissue?  Or does it have to get in through an actual open blood vessel?

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Re: My Situation - Nervous Wreck
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2006, 10:38:25 PM »
STB,

The mouth is a very inhospitable place for hiv.  Saliva acts to inhibit hiv making infection via the mouth a rare occurrence.  The absence of trauma in the mouth makes infection a formidable feat to accomplish.

Morgan
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Re: My Situation - Nervous Wreck
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2006, 08:20:36 PM »
Thanks again.  My results are sitting in the clinic, and I'm going tomorrow morning for them.  I'm about sick to my stomach right now.  Like so many people in my situation, I've read a lot on line looking for assurances that I didn't get HIV from precum in my mouth.  If it happened, it seems like I'll be in the vast minority.  One way or another I'll know tomorrow and be able to get on with things regardless. 

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Re: My Situation - Nervous Wreck
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2006, 08:23:11 PM »
STB,

You have every reason to be optimistic.  Hang in there and come post those neg results tomorrow.

Morgan  ;)
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Re: My Situation - Nervous Wreck
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2006, 08:33:28 PM »
Theoretically, HIV could enter the mouth through patches of specific dendritic cells, located under the tongue and back near the tonsils. I say theoretically, because it has yet to be fully quantified in epidemiology beyond the anecdotal.

Several recent studies which follow serodiscordant couples, and individuals who practice protected sex for penetrative acts yet perform fellatio and cunnilingus without protection, have yet to quantify a single case of documented HIv transmission through fellatio:

I will post the studies below on which I base my risk assessment.

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AIDS:  Volume 16(17)  22 November 2002  pp 2350-2352
Risk of HIV infection attributable to oral sex among men who have sex with men and in the population of men who have sex with men

Page-Shafer, Kimberlya,b; Shiboski, Caroline Hb; Osmond, Dennis Hc; Dilley, Jamesd; McFarland, Willie; Shiboski, Steve Cc; Klausner, Jeffrey De; Balls, Joycea; Greenspan, Deborahb; Greenspan, John Sb

aCenter for AIDS Prevention Studies, Department of Medicine, bDepartment of Stomatology, School of Dentistry, and cDepartment of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, University of California San Francisco, San Francisco, CA, USA; dAIDS Health Project, San Francisco, CA, USA; and eSan Francisco Department of Public Health, San Francisco, CA, USA.

Sponsorship: This work was supported by a grant from NIDCR (1 R01 DE12911-01) and was presented in part at the 2nd National HIV Prevention Conference, Atlanta, GA, 14 August 2001.

Received: 3 January 2002; revised: 6 June 2002; accepted: 20 June 2002.

We examined HIV infection and estimated the population-attributable risk percentage (PAR%) for HIV associated with fellatio among men who have sex with men (MSM). Among 239 MSM who practised exclusively fellatio in the past 6 months, 50% had three partners, 98% unprotected; and 28% had an HIV-positive partner; no HIV was detected. PAR%, based on the number of fellatio partners, ranges from 0.10% for one partner to 0.31% for three partners. The risk of HIV attributable to fellatio is extremely low.

Since HIV was identified as being sexually transmitted, there has been considerable interest in the risk associated with performing fellatio. Although early studies found no independent risk for fellatio, the high correlation among multiple sexual practices raised the possibility that risk existed but could not be detected. Subsequently, case reports accumulated, largely among men who denied other risk behaviors [1]. Researchers acknowledged that fellatio, although not an efficient route of infection, nonetheless appeared to carry a small risk. Two studies provided quantitative estimates of the low risk among men who have sex with men (MSM) [2,3]. One [3] estimated the per-contact risk of unprotected fellatio with an HIV-positive or unknown HIV status partner [4/10 000; 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.01%, 0.17%] to be lower than the per-contact risk of acquiring HIV from protected receptive anal intercourse (RAI) (0.18%; 95% CI 0.10%, 0.28%).

Current 'safe sex' guidelines specify that unprotected orogenital sex is unsafe but low risk. A recent study of primary infection in San Francisco [4] reported that 8% of HIV-positive participants acquired HIV from fellatio. This finding has been widely interpreted that as many as 8% of HIV infections among MSM are attributable to fellatio [5]. It is understandable, given these conflicting messages, that individuals continue to ask for greater clarity regarding this risk. The population-attributable risk percentage (PAR%) is of special interest, because even a low-risk exposure could result in a substantial proportion of infections.

We present preliminary results from an ongoing study investigating orally acquired HIV infection demonstrating: (i) that such infection is rare; and (ii) conduct analyses using previously published data to show that the PAR% of HIV attributable to fellatio is also extremely low.

From December 1999 to 2001, individuals seeking HIV testing at an anonymous testing site in San Francisco were screened to identify those who in the past 6 months reported no anal or vaginal sex, had not injected drugs, and had performed fellatio on at least one male partner. Eligible participants completed a pre-HIV test survey, measuring a 6-month history of sexual practices. Post-interview HIV serology was conducted to determine participants' HIV serology using using enzyme immunoassays, Western blot confirmation, and a sensitive/less sensitive enzyme immunoassay strategy [6] to identify recently acquired infection. PAR% was estimated using Levin's formula: (p S(RR - 1)/(p(RR - 1) - 1) * 100), where p is the population exposure prevalence, and RR is relative risk [7]. An estimate of RR from previously published data was used [2], and the prevalence p of fellatio partners was obtained from data collected in a population-based study of MSM [8]. We estimated the prevalence p from data collected in baseline interviews in which participants were asked how many fellatio (receptive oral sex) partners they had had in the previous year. Analyses have shown that the prevalence of fellatio [9] and fellatio partners (unpublished data) has not changed significantly since that study was initiated. As the median number of reported fellatio partners in the previous year reported by participants in this study was three (range 0-400), we estimated the PAR% for one, two, and three fellatio partners.

Of 10 283 anonymous testing site clients, 413 (4%) were eligible, and 243 (2.3%) participated. Of those, 239 (98%) were men, whose median age was 39 years, and all were MSM. Four women were dropped from the analysis. No recently acquired HIV infections were detected and the estimated probability of orally acquired HIV was 0 (95% CI 0, 1.5%). The median number of fellatio partners in the past 6 months was three (interquartile range 1-6), almost all (98%) were unprotected. One third (35%) reported getting semen in their mouth, and of those, 70% swallowed it. Fellatio on a known HIV-positive partner was reported by 28%; of those, 81% did not use a condom, and 39% had swallowed ejaculate.

The PAR% rises as the number of partners increases: PAR% for one fellatio partner (p = 18%, RR = 1.01) was estimated at 0.18%, for two fellatio partners (p = 12%, RR = 1.02) at 0.25% and for three fellatio partners (p = 10%, RR = 1.03) as 0.31%. The cumulative PAR% for one to three fellatio partners could thus be 0.74%.

The absence of HIV infections detected in this sample confirms previous research that orally acquired HIV infection is rare. HIV prevalence and incidence among MSM who tested at the same anonymous testing sites in San Francisco during a similar time period (December 1999 to February 2001) were appreciably higher. The overall prevalence of HIV infection was 3.3% (95% CI 2.9-3.9), and among repeat testers the incidence was 1.9/100 person-years (95% CI 1.6-2.3). Among those who reported unprotected RAI, HIV prevalence and incidence were 5.1% (95% CI, 4.1-6.3) and 3.5/100 person-years (95% CI, 2.7-4.5), respectively. Among those who reported protected RAI, HIV prevalence and incidence was 2.3% (95% CI, 1.7-3.1) and 1.7/100 person-years (95%CI 1.2-2.3), respectively (T. Kellogg, San Francisco Department of Public Health, personal communication). These figures reveal the striking difference in the risk of HIV between those who report exclusively fellatio and those who report higher-risk sexual behaviors.

A strength of this study is that participants were queried about behaviors before HIV testing. Consistently, studies that rely on individuals identifying 'how they got infected', report a higher proportion of orally acquired infections than can be reliably established [4,5]. HIV-positive MSM may inaccurately report higher-risk exposures for reasons including social desirability and recall. Men may also report having only oral sex as a risk behavior because that is the only 'unprotected' sexual behavior they engage in, not acknowledging anal sex when a condom was used. Vittinghoff et al. [3] hypothesized that condom breakage or slippage could account for the higher per-act infectivity of protected anal sex compared with unprotected fellatio.

Our results are based on a modest sample size; therefore, we cannot rule out the possibility that the probability of infection is indeed greater than zero. Our data and those of others (D. Osmond, San Francisco Young Men's Health Study: ? 3%, unpublished data) show that the proportion of individuals who engage exclusively in fellatio is very low, thus obtaining precise and reliable estimates of the per-partner and per-contact risks of acquiring HIV from fellatio will be difficult. The likely importance of heterogeneity of susceptibility and infectiousness add further uncertainty to quantifying risk.

Our calculations showing very low PAR% are consistent with the findings of extremely low individual risk. In addition, if one considers that only a fraction of those who report fellatio are actually exposed to semen (35%), the PAR% will be considerably lower.

These data confirm that the risk of HIV infection attributable to fellatio among MSM and in the MSM population is especially low. It is important that health professionals, including HIV counsellors have valid information to impart to their sexually active clients. If individuals believe that the risk of HIV from fellatio is high or on a par with well-documented high-risk exposures such as anogenital sex, they may not feel that sexual behavior choices make a difference. Acquiring HIV through fellatio is significantly less risky than from anal sex, and therefore one's choice of sexual practices do matter.
References
1.Rothenberg RB, Scarlett M, del Rio C, Reznik D, O'Daniels C. Oral transmission of HIV. AIDS 1998, 12:2095-2105.
2.Page-Shafer K, Veugelers PJ, Moss AR, Strathdee S, Kaldor JM, van Griensven GJ. Sexual risk behavior and risk factors for HIV-1 seroconversion in homosexual men participating in the Tricontinental Seroconverter Study, 1982-1994 [published erratum appears in Am J Epidemiol 1997 15 Dec; 146(12):1076]. Am J Epidemiol 1997, 146:531-542.
3.Vittinghoff E, Douglas J, Judson F, McKirnan D, MacQueen K, Buchbinder SP. Per-contact risk of human immunodeficiency virus transmission between male sexual partners. Am J Epidemiol 1999, 150:306-311.
4.Dillon B, Hecht F, Swanson M, et al. Primary HIV infections associated with oral transmission. In: 7th Conference on Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections. San Francisco, 2000 [Abstract 473].
5.Hawkins D. Oral sex and HIV transmission. Sex Transm Infect 2001, 77:307-308.
6.Janssen RS, Satten GA, Stramer SL, et al. New testing strategy to detect early HIV-1 infection for use in incidence estimates and for clinical and prevention purposes [published erratum appears in JAMA 1999 26 May; 281(20):1893]. JAMA 1998, 280:42-48.
7.Kelsey JL, Thompson WD, Evans AS. Methods in observational epidemiology. New York, NY: Oxford University Press, Inc.; 1986.
8.Osmond DH, Page K, Wiley J, et al. HIV infection in homosexual and bisexual men 18 to 29 years of age: the San Francisco Young Men's Health Study. Am J Public Health 1994, 84:1933-1937.
9.Osmond DH, Buchbinder S, Cheng A, et al. Prevalence of Kaposi sarcoma-associated herpesvirus infection in homosexual men at beginning of and during the HIV epidemic. JAMA 2002, 287:221-225.

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 J del Romero and others. Evaluating the risk of HIV transmission through unprotected orogenital sex. AIDS 2002; 16:1296-97.

http://www.hivandhepatitis.com/recent/transmission/061902c.html
"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

-Kimberly Page-Shafer, PhD, MPH

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Re: My Situation - Nervous Wreck
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2006, 06:58:25 AM »
STB:

Just a note to say that I can sympathize with you. I'm in a very similar situation to yours.

I wish you the best. Hopefully we'll both come out fine.

Hang in there!

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Re: My Situation - Nervous Wreck
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2006, 08:30:43 AM »
Well I went to get my results today, and they came back NEGATIVE!  The relief that washed over me was pretty amazing.  For those that responded and tried to provide me with some info, I appreciate it.  For those dealing with the same situation as me, I wish you the best of luck and health. 

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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2006, 08:33:08 AM »
STB:

I'm very glad for you!!

Your news gives me a little more hope!

Thank you for sharing your results.

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