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Offline batman99

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HIV positive and ecstasy
« on: December 13, 2007, 10:34:54 AM »
I have HIV for 2 years, i kind of like someone whom i know for 4 years, recently he invited me to have sex with him again and suggest we take ecstasy together. we had sex last week without the ecstasy, just clean condom sex. I look forward for the next session with him but also worry when he ask for the ecstasy sex again. I really like this guy. confuse what is best for me.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2007, 09:51:32 AM by batman99 »

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Re: HIV positive and estasy
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2007, 12:36:42 PM »
I say that it is much to early to have (s)excstasy with this guy. You need to get to know each other a LOT longer before you have sex in an altered state of consciousness.

Ecstasy commonly causes limp dick not to put too fine a point on it. The use of a condom will become overlooked or obsolete very quickly which can lead to potential infections.

Note: I am not saying not to do it ever. I love ecstasy myself (though it's been years honestly). Just that this situation needs to wait until much later. Long after the two of you get to know each other better, have built up a level of trust and after disclosure.
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Re: HIV positive and estasy
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2007, 02:00:58 PM »
Nobody can truly tell you what is best for you except for you yourself. Do you want a relationship that centers on sex and drugs or do you want a relationship based on mutual respect?

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Re: HIV positive and estasy
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2007, 04:17:48 PM »
What is your expectation of what ecstacy will add into your relationship? As others have said, you're in the beginning stages of getting to know each other.

You must be having some doubts or you wouldn't have brought the question up. 
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Re: HIV positive and estasy
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2007, 06:08:41 PM »
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Ecstasy commonly causes limp dick not to put too fine a point on it

Dirty E's heavily cut with speed cause this to happen.  If you can get your hands on some good clean E (preferably not pressed tabs) or pharmaceutical grade MDMA, this shouldn't be an issue.  Reaching the "finish line" however could take some time, a lot of time...
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Offline DCGUY2007

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Re: HIV positive and estasy
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2007, 01:52:39 AM »
Good old sex without drugs is great! Why use E? You can have a great time without it.

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Re: HIV positive and estasy
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2007, 04:07:40 AM »
Ah yes, the delimma of 'enhanced' sex.
Sounds to me like you want to take "kind of like"  to perhaps a more soulful level or exploration while he wants to immerse himself in a chemical-induced sex experience on the second go-round......the emphasis being on the sensations. How well will he get to know you through this experience?
I don't think you are too confused.  ;)
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Re: HIV positive and estasy
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2007, 04:52:51 AM »
I used to take ecstasy a lot and rarely had sex without it.  Nothing like a cheap thrill to enhance the experience.  I found it easier with it, no pain in the arse if you get the drift.

In the end, I sort of needed it and wouldn't consider sex without it, which has made me a bit of a frigid old queen now that I've stopped taking anything regularly.

I suppose I thought the sex was better, though the occasional limp dick was a problem.  The answer was always to take more and dance round the living room for a few hours.  There would be a lot of goofing around rather than getting down to the action.

One of the things that it did do was make me lose my inhibitions and do things that I wouldn't with an unclouded mind, which included making decisions about safe sex that I might later regret.

Offline batman99

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Re: HIV positive and estasy
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2007, 09:47:46 AM »
I know this guy for 4 years (still negative during that time)  in the first two years we have lots of good times including E sex, he missed the Ecstasy, so he is asking me again if I can get for him. I am worry we may end up raw sex again. I really like him a lot.

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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2007, 10:24:17 AM »
Rollin' on E is what got me here... Just sayin'

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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2007, 10:49:36 AM »
The strange thing about ecstasy (along with dope, GHB and K) was that I always found that - whilst it admittedly made me horny as hell - it actually made me MUCH less interested in penetrative sex and a good deal more interested in just about every other form of sensual / tactile exploration I can think of (my Indian head massages always seemed to be a winner).

Pure MDMA on the other hand always seemed like such a cold and impersonal experience.

I guess it just goes to show that drugs affect us all differently.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2007, 11:06:27 AM by vokz »

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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2007, 11:06:21 AM »
Just don't try any sex in a K-hole, it's MOST unpleasant.  I thought I was Jodie Foster in "Contact".
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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2007, 11:15:37 AM »
Just don't try any sex in a K-hole, it's MOST unpleasant.  I thought I was Jodie Foster in "Contact".

To be honest I never really saw the point of k-holes .. they just seemed like an excuse for my brain to replay every single negative experience of my life in excruciating slow-motion (and, thankfully, being Jody Foster wasnít one of them)

On acid, I did however once have sex with a three-tailed dragon (luckily he was hot, sexy, Brazilian, called Fabio and still my boyfriend). That was .. interesting  :-\
« Last Edit: December 14, 2007, 11:21:28 AM by vokz »

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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2007, 11:23:50 AM »
To be honest I never really saw the point of k-holes .. they just seemed like an excuse for my brain to replay every single negative experience of my life in excruciating slow-motion (and, thankfully, being Jody Foster wasnít one of them)

On acid, I did however once have sex with a three-tailed dragon (luckily he was hot, sexy, Brazilian, called Fabio and still my boyfriend). That was .. interesting  :-\

I never saw the need for a k-hole for years, until I went so far into one that I had a complete out-of-body experience and after that trip I had to keep chasing the dragon.

To be honest, I prefer really messy sex on hard liquor over any street drug.  Odd, I know.  When I do (oops... *did*) drugs I just want more drugs, no cocks.  Booze makes me a filthy cum whore.

My body is so shot from HIV meds now I can't handle anything in my tummy except pharmacy grade sedatives.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2007, 11:26:01 AM by philly267 »
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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2007, 11:28:55 AM »
To be honest, I prefer really messy sex on hard liquor over any street drug.  Odd, I know.  When I do (oops... *did*) drugs I just want more drugs, no cocks.  Booze makes me a filthy cum whore.

I can totally relate to that .. although efavirenz has a similar effect too.

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Re: HIV positive and estasy
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2007, 03:57:48 PM »
I know this guy for 4 years (still negative during that time)  in the first two years we have lots of good times including E sex, he missed the Ecstasy, so he is asking me again if I can get for him. I am worry we may end up raw sex again. I really like him a lot.

Oh, I see. You've been there more than once. So........why exactly are you looking for through your post?
Permission?
okeydokkey, permission given to tell him you've got feeling of a romanitc nature.
what else? oh, yeah, put a condom on it and go to it Blanche!
problem solved, yes?

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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2007, 12:22:40 PM »
i afraid when we have e sex, we may go into raw again as before. I don want to let him suspect about me nor spread to him. i love him very much. its very painful to reject him. :( 3 weeks ago we have sex, 1st time after my HIV, we had clean sex. but now suddenly he is quite cold towards me again. Lost and don know wat to do now. anyway after knowing i have hiv my life is not the same as before. so guys out there always play safe you will not have this problem like mine.

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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2007, 06:32:08 PM »
i afraid when we have e sex, we may go into raw again as before. I don want to let him suspect about me nor spread to him.

Batman, what makes you so sure he's negative? If he likes it raw, he very well might not be - of course, he might not know it either.

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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2007, 06:58:59 PM »
i afraid when we have e sex, we may go into raw again as before. I don want to let him suspect about me nor spread to him. i love him very much. its very painful to reject him. :( 3 weeks ago we have sex, 1st time after my HIV, we had clean sex. but now suddenly he is quite cold towards me again. Lost and don know wat to do now. anyway after knowing i have hiv my life is not the same as before. so guys out there always play safe you will not have this problem like mine.

ah, well....sorry to hear he gave you the cold shoulder. It's tough adjusting to having HIV for many, many folks. Kudos to you for using protection and watch out that your heart doesn't get broken.
Like Ann suggested, are you sure he's negative? Maybe so. Maybe not. Won't know for sure till he is tested.
Good Luck, batman99. If you do make love to him again make sure you leave a little hicky on his neck as a Mark of Batman;)

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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2007, 12:16:53 PM »
Hello Batman,

I know this may sound hard, but I am sure Ann is right. If you and this guy have had unsafe sex in the passed then he most likely has had unsafe sex with other guys. He is a good candidate also to be hiv positive, even then if he doesn't realize it himself. Which is an interesting thought for you. DO you want to chance getting a second strain of hiv? Are you sure that he doesn't have hep., gon., or other fun ST D's all of which can complicate a hiv infection and compromise your immune status?

If you do decide to have an E-sex session with him consider the fact that if you are on ha art you should take much less depending on what antiretroviral meds that your on. I have heard of a lot of guys who have over dosed on E in combination with certain antiretro's E can be a fatal trip.

My advice Batman would be to take some time and ask yourself what you want out of life. This guy does not sound like your Robin but rather a Joker to me.

Take care and stay safe.

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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2007, 11:23:36 PM »
I want to roll so bad, but I have been taking medicine and doing really good at keeping a healthy lifestyle I think if I took some i would die of a heart attack thinking i'm going to have some weird reaction to my medicine or something, I take Kaletra and Truvada, no e?  I don't want to have sex on it though i just want to have some fun..

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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2007, 12:30:33 AM »
wow...
dude, if you do him, just wrap it up. make it fun, use those glow in the dark condoms or the ribbed ones- rough rider in the house. i guess e makes you want to, need to, have sexual interaction. go through with it, just wrap it up. tell him before hand you want to have safer sex. beside, if you do go through with it, it's one less thing to worry about. esp, if you don't want to have the conversation.

if you really like this dude that makes the situation kinda tough. id still do him, i just would do it safely. no questions, no answers. best of luck with your situation man.
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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2007, 05:30:58 AM »
You can check for drug interactions by going here:

http://www.hiv-druginteractions.org/frames.asp?drug/drg_main.asp
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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2007, 10:23:45 AM »
The question you really need to ask yourself is this..Is the sex roll your eyes in the back of your head good without any chemicals or do you need some kind of drug to get to that point. I know E has interactions with a couple of the PI's and that they can be dangerous reactions so check the interactions. Another thought concerning him being neg and you two barebacking while under the influence is when he is high and with someone else is this happening too. It may be too late already for him and he may not even know it. I tested poz first in my relationship and my partner and I got into meth for a period of time and went to the point (pardon the pun) of slamming. My partner got HIV by using a dirty needle. We have been clean for4 some time now and I'll admit I loved the wild piggy sex on T but the price we paid was not worth those 3 day sexathons by a long shot
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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2007, 05:54:28 AM »
my cd4 is 333 vl less than 50

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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2007, 05:56:42 AM »
will my health be affected if i will to take ecstasy with viagra for the fun session? how about poppers? currently i m in kaletra and truvada.

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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2007, 11:50:53 AM »
You should NEVER combine poppers with viagra.  That's like Homosexuality 101, isn't it?
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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2007, 10:58:35 AM »
LOL guys call me naive but I don't know anything about half the stuff you're talking about! (Never done recreational drugs or any other kind of hard core stuff except for getting drunk a few times and smoking cigarettes). So:

1. What in the name of sweet mary is a k-hole?
2. Why no poppers with viagra?

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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #28 on: December 30, 2007, 02:42:39 PM »
1. K-hole:  the bad state of mind that the consumption of too much ketamine brings you.  Ketamine is an anesthetic mostly used in cats, but can also be used as a recreational drug.

2. You don't mix viagra with alkyl nitrites because it can cause a dangerous drop in blood pressure leading to stroke.


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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2007, 02:48:28 PM »
LOL guys call me naive but I don't know anything about half the stuff you're talking about! (Never done recreational drugs or any other kind of hard core stuff except for getting drunk a few times and smoking cigarettes). So:

1. What in the name of sweet mary is a k-hole?
2. Why no poppers with viagra?

It's OK if you wanna call me a homosexual princess now :)

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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2008, 02:44:58 PM »
Haha well Dachshund, I'm a firm believer that virgins do grow back, so I can confidently go into a relationship as a virgin :P

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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2008, 09:55:23 PM »
so did you take the e yet?  tell your survival story... :-X  i wanna go next!

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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2008, 12:23:16 AM »
will my health be affected if i will to take ecstasy with viagra for the fun session? how about poppers? currently i m in kaletra and truvada.

As for poppers,  research indicates poppers use affects the immune system. The human study found the immune system was not permanently damaged, but that natural killer cell function, was suppressed for 4 days before returning to baseline. The suppression of natural killer cell function, a part of natural immunity, increases susceptibility to infections. Although you already have HIV, for an  HIV negative partner using poppers, there could be an increase in susceptibility to HIV infection if exposed through unprotected sex.   

 http://poppers.cfsites.org   has listings of published research finding that using poppers affects the immune sytem.   If, how, and how much poppers use affects the immune system is controversial. More research is needed, but there are clues for consideration.  The website also references Another body of published research finding  using poppers is a risk factor for HIV transmission.

The risk of HIV transmission does not apply to partners who are both already HIV positive. Nor would it apply to discordant status partners who use condoms, or some protection strategy.
If poppers suppress the immune system temporarily, there may be a period of time when there is increased susceptibility to infections, independent of HIV status.
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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2008, 11:16:02 PM »
Rollin' on E is what got me here... Just sayin'

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Re: HIV positive and ecstasy
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2008, 12:09:22 AM »
The strange thing about ecstasy (along with dope, GHB and K) was that I always found that - whilst it admittedly made me horny as hell - it actually made me MUCH less interested in penetrative sex and a good deal more interested in just about every other form of sensual / tactile exploration I can think of (my Indian head massages always seemed to be a winner).

Pure MDMA on the other hand always seemed like such a cold and impersonal experience.

I guess it just goes to show that drugs affect us all differently.


Couldn't agree with you and Philly more. I'm not sure that I've ever picked up on an e, maybe once or twice in the early days. rolling around is fun but that's about it, and once i've started with drugs I just wanna keep taking more. Give me a few beers anyday (hey, I'm a cheap drunk) - the confidence goes up, everyone looks 'decent', and the inhibitions fall away. HQ anyone?

Thanks for the uninformative clap trap about poppers, Smoothstone. Philly hit the nail on the head, don't mix poppers and viagra as it increases the risk of a stroke. Nice and simple.
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