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Offline van_alea

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the insertive partner and oral sex
« on: July 10, 2006, 01:14:48 PM »
Hello everyone:

I live in Madrid and just as recently as 4 days ago I had an encounter with a prostitute. She gave me a handjob and went down on my unprotected penis for no longer than a minute and a half. She had no visible cuts or sores in her mouth, and my penis was washed and didnt show any injuries either. We did not have intercourse or any other sexual practice.This is my first (and, also because of my anxiety, hopefully the last) encounter with a sex worker and I am quite scared of the possibility of having been infected with HIV. Can someone tell me how difficult it really is to get infected by being the insertive partner? I know the theory, but can someone come up with a practical case in which a guy could become infected from receiving oral sex from a woman?

I did some research in the internet and all I saw was a webpage in which they explained that there had been a case in which a 60 year old gentleman had apparently got HIV from a single oral sex encounter with a prostitute (he was the insertive partner). How much of truth could there be in that story? Im sorry to stir the eternal debate of oral sex and HIV, but I would really appreciate very much some honest and useful answers. Thank you very much in advance to everyone!

van_alea

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Re: the insertive partner and oral sex
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2006, 01:18:24 PM »
You are not going to get HIV in the situation you explained. Until the risk goes from theoretical to documented, then that will be it.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2006, 04:32:53 PM by RapidRod »

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Re: the insertive partner and oral sex
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2006, 01:51:11 PM »
Thank you very much for your answer. I have read somewhere else, though, that there has been "some" reporting in the past of infection through insertive oral sex. How accurate could that assessment be? And the last question of all, what would happen if the receptive partner, in this case the woman, had bleeding gums? Would that significantly increase the risk of contracting HIV through the urethra? Thanks to everyone.

van_alea
« Last Edit: July 11, 2006, 02:00:07 PM by van_alea »

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Re: the insertive partner and oral sex
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2006, 03:39:10 PM »
Van, there are also regular "sightings" of the Loch Ness monster. So "reports" of transmission via getting a blowjob are not something you should be taking seriously.

In the entire history of the epidemic there has never been a documented case of transmission in this manner. That includes givers with blood in their mouths, givers who are HIV+, guys with nicks and irritations on their penises. Etc.

It simply doesn't happen and you aren't going to make history by becoming the first. No kidding.

Let it go, stop surfing the net for dis-information to bother yourself about and there's no need for testing in relation to this incident.

Get on with your life. If you haven't already read the lesson on transmission on this site, I recommend doing that now. The link to it is in the first thread in this Forum.

Cheers,
Andy Velez

Offline van_alea

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Re: the insertive partner and oral sex
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2006, 01:35:23 PM »
Hi everyone:

First of all, thanks for your kind advice. Yesterday I had a 8 weeks test and it came negative. Could I finally disregard the whole incident or should I test at the 13 week mark? And the final question, does any one know of the percentage of people who would have tested positive by the 8 weeks mark in the case they got the virus? How reliable is a test at this stage? Thank you in advance!

van

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Re: the insertive partner and oral sex
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2006, 02:18:39 PM »
van,

The vast majority of people who have actually been infected will seroconvert and test positive by SIX weeks, with the average time to seroconversion being only 22 days. The people who do test positive have actually had a risk for hiv infection, which you have not. You do not need further testing over this incident. You didn't need to test over it in the first place.

You are hiv negative. Protect that negative status by using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL STIs together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with a sexually transmitted infection.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence. Use condoms and avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

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Offline van_alea

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Scared after sex with sex workers
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2007, 10:57:32 AM »
Hello again:

I had 4 episodes of protected vaginal intercourse with different sex workers during the last 4 months. After having tested (negative) for HIV 3 times in the past 4 years due to what would be seen as no risk episodes by experts of this forum, I thought I'd know better by now and not rush to worrying unneccessarily after having sex with prostitutes.

However, and for some odd reason, I feel particularly worried about my episode of yesterday. Oral sex was protected as usual as was intercourse, but I'm worried about the fact that I had a slight irritation on the shaft in an area close to the head of the penis, and also the condom was slightly loose on the top (there was more than a half-inch space at the tip for the semen, probably I unrolled it incorrectly??) though it remained on for the whole duration of the act and in the end it contained all the sperm without any leaks, from which I assume it didn't break. Fortunately I have never experienced a condom breakage, is it very noticeable when it happens? And by slippage it means that it's lost somewhere inside the receptive partner during the act?

Usual questions apply...did I have any risk? should I test? I also forgot to mention that one of the prostitutes gave me unprotected oral sex a couple of months ago. No risk from that? Is my mind playing nasty tricks on me all the time? Somehow I keep thinking that HIV is still out to cath me in spite of me always "playing it safe".

Any quick responses will be highly appreciated, thanks for your help.
van

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Re: the insertive partner and oral sex
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2007, 11:18:19 AM »
Hi Van~

With your situation there is no need to worry.  Even though you had an irritation, it was covered by the condom and you aren't at risk.  As for the condom being loose at the end, that is not a problem either, it allows room when you ejaculate.

As for condoms breaking, condoms can break when there isn't sufficient lubrication and friction causes the break.  Its usually pretty damn obvious, with a tear down the entire side of the condom.  If you didn't see a break, chances are there wasn't one.

Someone else will have to comment on slippage, I've never had it happen personally, but remember its important to wear the correct size to avoid these mishaps.

Unprotected oral sex baffles me to this day.  Many in these Forums will say that there is theoretical risk from unprotected oral but in all likelihood it won't happen.  Its up to you on that one.  I choose to be safe rather than sorry and always use protection.  I don't need to be reinfected or to catch another STD.  Scroll up in this very thread and read what Andy posted about the Loch Ness Monster, lol!

HIV will not "catch" you if you use protection and lubrication.

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Offline van_alea

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Re: the insertive partner and oral sex
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2007, 11:34:52 AM »
Hello Cindy:

Thank you for your thoughts, yes, I'm almost there trying to be convinced that there was absolutely no risk involving my protected vaginal intercourse episodes, but it is annoyingly hard and I cannot avoid this nasty mind of mine playing tricks. One single episode with minor doubts was enough to trigger all of this.

As for oral sex, well, if you say that you prefer to be safe rather than sorry and always use protection then I guess it means you are concerned when you are the "giving partner". From my last experience in this forum I'll keep sticking to everyone else's opinions on receiving a blowjob and think that I had no risk, all for my mind's sake.

Any more insights?
van

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Re: the insertive partner and oral sex
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2007, 01:11:10 PM »
Van,

The fact that getting a blowjob isn't a risk for hiv infection hasn't changed since you were here last. The fact that condoms prevent hiv infection hasn't changed either.

Read through the three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use them correctly and with confidence.

Anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

While you don't need to test every time you have sex, if you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.


Use condoms correctly and consistently for anal or vaginal intercourse and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Offline van_alea

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Re: the insertive partner and oral sex
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2007, 11:43:04 AM »
Hi all, again:

After my past experiences (protected intercourse 4 times with 4 different sex workers) I have decided to go for a rapid hiv test tomorrow (it's 3 months since last "exposure") for peace of mind and also because I got a girlfriend and I prefer to know how's my health. I was kind of hesitating to ask but I guess I'm looking for my support here (my gf obviously doesn't know about those episodes and has been quite unsupportive of me taking a test) but I definitely know I need testing even if it's just for peace of mind. Has any of the experts in this forum ever seen a case like mine turn positive?

I would greatly appreciate some answers, please:) Thank you so much

van

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Re: the insertive partner and oral sex
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2007, 12:27:02 PM »
It's never a bad thing to get an HIV test regularly (at least annually) when you've been sexually active. There's never been single CONFIRMED case of transmission to a guy getting a blowjob. It's safe to say that despite your concerns you aren't going to make history by becoming the first.

You mention that you have a girlfriend and that you're concerned about her. I just want to add that you should be using condoms for intercourse with her unless you two decide you're in a committed relationship and both test negative together at the same time. Until then you ought to be using condoms. Period.

Good luck with your test which I certainly expect will be negative.

Cheers,
Andy Velez

Offline van_alea

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Re: the insertive partner and oral sex
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2007, 01:03:12 PM »
Hello Andy:

Thanks for your quick reply, it's always appreciated.

I haven't had sex yet with my current girlfriend, so any risk with her is out of the question.

I'm not worried about that episode of unprotected blowjob, but rather about the other protected intercourse episodes, just wondering whether any of the experts around here have ever seen someone catchign aids after safely using condoms.

cheers,
Alex

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Re: the insertive partner and oral sex
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2007, 01:29:19 PM »
Latex condoms provide very effective protection. I'm sure if you look long enough you're going to find a report from someone who claims to have used a condom and became infected anyway. That's all just hearsay. In the real world of HIV we know that as long as the condom is worn properly and doesn't break it provides very effective protection. I expect you will test negative. Period.
Andy Velez

 


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