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Offline jd1

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Help all experts
« on: November 18, 2007, 07:31:04 PM »
I would like to thank this forum and the moderators for all the advice given. This is my first time posting here and I am new to this. I have read through the lessons on this forum and would like some advice from all experts including Andy, Ann, and Matty etc. I understand that my exposure was low risk but the partner was hiv positive that both I and he did not know at that time. My exposures consist of three different times with the same person. The first in the 3rd week of august which consisted of unprotected oral where I was receiving. Protected anal sex where I was the top. He also rubbed his penis against my butt no protection but no penetration for a few minutes. By the way I am a male. The 2nd exposure was one week after and consisted of the same. The 3rd exposure was the first week of September (again one week after the second exposure) but only consisted of unprotected oral twice within a few hours where i was the receiver again. I have never been with any other male, this was my first time, and I have never given a BJ or been penetrated. After the last exposure he found out he was hiv positive and had 2 STDs. He informed me and told me that he did have unprotected anal sex with his ex boyfriend several times and believed he was the carrier and lied to him about his status. He also tole me that everything we did was safe and not to worry. He said oral sex and "humping" was safe. Well I was in shock and got tested 4 weeks after the last exposure with Elisa test and also STDs testing. The results were negative. I then tested again at 7 weeks with the pcr DNA test and Elisa test and urine test (complete urinalyses) which were all negative. I then tested at 9 weeks with Elisa which was negative. My concern is that I understand these are low risks but the partner was hiv positive. Also, the unprotected oral receiving because I do use clippers on my penis and scrotum and I do get razor cuts occasionally. It would be a couple of hours before the events obviously so it would not be bleeding actively. Also, the risk from frottage since I do have a habit of wiping my rear with a lot of tissue paper that sometimes causes paper cuts since I sometimes see streaks of blood on the paper due to wiping hard and  with a lot of paper (sorry to be graphic) again this would be a couple of hours before the events. I would like some input from the experts since this has been like hell for me and just want to get on with my life. I have had no fever, no sore throat at all. The only thing i have is a tongue with coating where there is white stuff in the back but this could be normal and been there all the time. I showed my doctor and dentist but they were not concerned about it! I need help? Can you tell me if I need further testing or is the 9 weeks conclusive. I'm worried that it will be positive now! I would welcome any advice from the experts...please

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Re: Help all experts
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2007, 07:38:04 PM »
JD,

I appreciate your concerns given that your sexual partner is HIV positive, but there is nothing that you report which would have placed you at risk of being infected.

Protected anal sex is just that, protected. And receiving a blow job, even from a poz bod, is not a risk in terms of HIV transmission. Which is why your test results are returning negative results.

I must tell you however that PCR testing is not approved for diagnostic purposes. It can return false positive results.

In my opinion you do not need any further testing, you are HIV negative. Please take the time to read our Welcome Thread and follow the links to our Lessons to learn more about how HIV is and is not transmitted.

MtD

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Re: Help all experts
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2007, 07:55:50 PM »
Thanks Matty for your fast response I appreciate it... Have you ever seen or heard about negative Elisa test at 9 weeks turn positive?

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Re: Help all experts
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2007, 08:02:05 PM »
Given that all but the very smallest number of those who are going to seroconvert will do so within  4-6 weeks after an exposure, a positive result after 9 weeks is very, very rare.

I expect you to continue to test negative.

All of this is really moot in relation to your situation since you didn't have any real risk to begin with. So testing is strictly for your peace of mind and not because it's indicated.
Andy Velez

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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2007, 08:11:10 PM »
Thanks Andy for your response. I greatly appreciate it. I am trying to get my mind off this but the last weeks have been like hell. My doctor was worried about me and said I'm having anxiety disorder and gave me a refferal to see a counselor.  I have not called yet because I want to do another test next week like a home rapid test. If negative it will be of some comfort.

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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2007, 08:13:29 PM »
Actually JD, I'd recommend you 86 the rapid test and go and see the counselor you've been referred to.

MtD

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Re: Help all experts
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2007, 08:32:14 PM »
Hi Matty

I will go see the counsellor because of all this. I am not on any meds and told my doc that I didn't need any anxiety pills because I think I can get over this without pills. I have a question for all experts....since the person I was with was hiv positive with 2STDs....wouldn't it be easier to catch the STDs rather than hiv since its more fragile or vice verse? If indeed it is harder to get hiv than STDs than my chances after 9 weeks are slim since I did get std testing after a month and was negative? I guess my question would be in order for me to get hiv I would have to get the STDs also from this person? Since he did have chlamydia and I think herpes.

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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2007, 08:43:13 PM »
JD,

Infections such as chlamydia and herpes are more transmissible than HIV and yes, it would be wise for you to be tested for those. In fact you might wish to consider a full STD screen excluding an HIV test, since we've already ruled that out.

Genital herpes is generally diagnosed by isolating the virus from lesions should they appear. Chlamydia is diagnosed by urine testing and throat swabbing. It is possible to transmit chlamydia via unprotected oral sex either way. Please note that chlamydia is often asymptomatic but is entirely curable with a single dose of antibiotics.

In fact all sexually active adults should have a full STD screen at least once a year. Twice is better. You should raise this with your doctor.

MtD

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Re: Help all experts
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2007, 09:55:28 PM »
Matty and all experts

I'm a little confused. Do you want me to test again for STDs? I already had a test for STDs 17 days after the last exposure. I thought it was for all STDs. They took urine sample and did a swab on the penis for chlamydia/gc. They drew blood too but this could have been for hiv. The tests were neg. Is 17 days from last exposure too soon to test for STDs?

Thanks

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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2007, 09:58:44 PM »
Sorry JD, my misreading there.

No, you don't need to test again for the other STDs.

MtD

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Re: Help all experts
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2007, 04:11:12 PM »
Hi all experts

I'm just worried about the white stuff on the back of my tongue and the front and middle of the tongue is like soapy saliva. The saliva is more soapy than clear. The tongue is pink not red. Just wondering your advice since I surfed on the net and found it could be candida...which is related to hiv...
Thanks

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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2007, 04:12:29 PM »
JD,

Well why don't you show your tongue to your doctor? Diagnoses cannot be made over the internet.

MtD

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Re: Help all experts
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2007, 04:17:39 PM »
Hi

I did show the doctor last week and he said it was fine.

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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2007, 04:22:53 PM »
Then it was fine. What more do you need to know? He is a doctor after all.

MtD

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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2007, 06:22:28 PM »
Hi all

Yeah but that was last week and he looked at it quickly. My question is if this is a sign of seroconversion?

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Re: Help all experts
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2007, 07:21:52 PM »
Your doctor isn't going to lie to you. If he would have seen a concern he would have told you.

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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2007, 09:48:37 PM »
Hi Matty, Rapidrod

I just came back from the doctor's to show my tongue and he said it was fine. No thrush or candida??? Everyone seems its fine except me.

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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2007, 10:03:43 PM »
Are you a frigging doctor? Are you?

Coz if you're not (and I feel confident in assuming that you ain't) then you wouldn't know candida if it bit you on the butt.

If your doctor (a highly trained clinical and scientific professional) says you don't have candida then you don't.

Get over it.

MtD

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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2007, 11:22:59 PM »
I'm sorry for being overly cautious but i just cant help thinking that my 9 week negative might turn pos.

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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2007, 05:40:29 PM »
Hi all
Would appreciate some comments from Ann, Anniebc

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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2007, 06:15:13 PM »
jd,

The reason the only person who thinks your tongue doesn't look right is you is because you're looking at it through the lens of hiv - needlessly.

You haven't had a risk and your nine week negative result is not going to change. Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. Read through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2007, 10:56:29 PM »
Hi
Ann, I just saw your post. Thanks , you are right but I cant help looking in the mirror at the tongue numerous times a day. It gets worse late night (early morning). Anyway, before reading your post I could not take the anxiety so I drove 40 minutes to get a 20 minute oraquick test where she pricked my finger. The result was negative. How accurate are these 20 minute test and this would be 78 days since last exposure (6 more days till 12 weeks or will it be 12/04/07 since last exposure was 9/04/07? By the way the hiv counselor told me that the pcr DNA is 99.9% accurate in the window period? The internet says otherwise.

Thanks

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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2007, 06:05:57 AM »
jd,

Keep testing all you like, your result is not going to change over this incident. You ARE hiv negative. You didn't have a risk and your test result is conclusive.

PCR DNA tests are NOT approved for diagnostic purposes - you don't need PCR testing as you are hiv negative. Keep using condoms and you'll stay that way.

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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2007, 07:07:30 PM »
Hi Ann, Andy

I'm sorry to bother you guys again but I have a question. I was doing fine for a few days (staying off the internet). Yesterday late night, I noticed my mouth went dry and saw that my tongue was white again. I am worried now thinking that since this is my last week for the 12 week mark the hiv infection might be happening. I tested neg. at 11 weeks. How likely is it too happen in the last week(12 week mark)? Or is a 11 week and 12 week the same? Is is a proven fact? I'm sorry for asking these questions but i am worrying and getting tired too. I would appreciate your comments...
Thanks

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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2007, 07:15:01 PM »
Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.
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« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2007, 09:07:53 PM »
jd,

Like your test results, our answers are not going to change no matter how many times you ask or re-phrase. You did not have a risk for hiv infection. You are not in a window period. You have tested conclusively negative for hiv. You ARE hiv negative.

Please re-read Rodney's quote (above) from our posting guidelines and consider yourself warned.

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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2007, 11:05:27 PM »
Hi Guys
I just wanted to thank Ann, Andy, Matty, and Rapid Rod for all the help they have given to me during the last few weeks. Not only to me but the valuable service they all provide to others. I tested at 12 and 13 weeks and as you all predicted it was negative. I know you all said I didn't need to test further but being a"worried well"  I had to do it for my own sake and peace of mind since all websites say 3 months. I guess now I can forget about the whole thing and carry on with my life returning to normality. I will stay of the internet since this only increased my anxiety. I may test at the 6 month mark one more time. All in all, I wanted to say that this forum, your advice, and the information provided by this site was very, very helpful. keep up the good work and thanks to all the experts again.

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« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2007, 11:11:16 PM »
I may test at the 6 month mark one more time.

JD,

If you really want to put this behind you I suggest that you work towards not testing at 6 months. It simply isn't necessary and allows those niggling doubts to persist in the back of your mind. Eventually they return to you, you return to us and it all gets very unpleasant.

The reality is that you were never going to test positive because you were not infected in the first place. The best thing you can do is find a counselor or therapist who can help you work towards the goal of not testing in 6 months because of this non-risk.

It's up to you to break the crazy no risk testing cycle.

MtD


 


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