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Online Dachshund

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Et tu Obama ?
« on: October 29, 2007, 10:01:47 AM »
Must we suffer through another campaign season of gay bashing? It's too easy and oh so predictable.  If it doesn't stop with Democrats, then it will never stop. Obama's explanations are not enough for me.

http://www.americablog.com/2007/10/obama-supporter-blasts-gays-at-gospel.html


a little background

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/10/29/obama-supporter-god-delivered-me-from-homosexuality/

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Re: Et tu Obama ?
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2007, 11:30:30 AM »
this is what all pols go through as they try to win over different interest groups. If you are looking for a perfect candidate that fits all your beliefs,you will always be unhappy. This country is too big and too diverse for that type of politician. I would love to see a politician who I agreed with on everything,but I havent found one in my lifetime.
Republicans had to hold their noses and vote for a big government,big spending,liberal republican like Bush because the alternatives were just too scary.  Why were they scary? Because of all the pandering they had to do to win over so many different interest groups.
The thing that could hurt the Dems most now is if their race tightens. Then all three candidates will have to start trying to out lib each other with money give aways, more confiscatory taxes,and of course appeasement and that could cost the winner dearly in main election.

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Re: Et tu Obama ?
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2007, 11:52:55 AM »
Was waiting for this one.  Sorry, but at this stage of the game Obama doesn't have a snowflake's chance of getting a vote from me. 
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Re: Et tu Obama ?
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2007, 12:24:26 PM »
So, in the end, Obama let his "best" and "favorite" artist slam gays to thousands of African-Americans, in his name, and neither he nor his hand-chosen white gay preacher said anything in response. Class act, that Obama campaign. For them, creating a "dialogue" means the gay-basher gets to spread his bigotry to thousands while the candidate and the token gay STFU.

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Re: Et tu Obama ?
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2007, 01:37:00 PM »
is purity of thought a prerequisite for being a Dem candidate? Must every person who supports a candidate or speaks for a candidate pass this same litmus test? This is what the media and Dems pull on Republicans everytime some far right christian group speaks out in support of GOP or some nutjob runs as a republican, its really funny to see same thing happening to the other side.  Of course every person and every candidate do not agree with each other on everything. That is only possible through coercion by the state.
All thought and emotion should be governed by the party out of true fairness.

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Re: Et tu Obama ?
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2007, 01:53:38 PM »
is purity of thought a prerequisite for being a Dem candidate? 

No, but purity of race seems to be the prerequisite for Republicans. The Republican candidates can't goosestep fast enough toward the wacky, wingnuts who control your party. See the difference is we challenge our Democratic candidates when we don't like what they are saying. During Republican control, not one veto issued when it came to spending. As Major Nutz McCain so proudly points out the Republican controlled Congress spent like drunken sailors.

Your party is controlled by the wacky religious right which dictates the next nutcase THEY choose runs as the Republican nominee. I hope they continue to control your party because it makes it that much more enjoyable when one of the panderers gets busted sucking dick in a men's room. My prediction for the next pump to drop? You heard it hear first....that ol' Kentucky homo Mitch McConnell.

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Re: Et tu Obama ?
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2007, 01:59:20 PM »
whatever. I better go back to the real world,this delusional parallel universe you live in is frightening. Demanding purity of thought and speech of all supporters is just what this country needs.  Didnt they try that in Germany?

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Re: Et tu Obama ?
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2007, 02:05:18 PM »
Demanding purity of thought and speech of all supporters is just what this country needs.  Didnt they try that in Germany?


Which is exactly what the Republican Party demands. Yes they did try it in Germany, which is what makes the Republican Party so dangerous. Check your Constitution.

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Re: Et tu Obama ?
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2007, 02:08:53 PM »
The funny thing is that Donnie McClurkin is still a closet case, and was still screwing boys up through a few years ago while publicly claiming to have been "healed." 

http://claycane.blogspot.com/2007/10/exclusive-interview-with-donnie.html

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Re: Et tu Obama ?
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2007, 02:14:45 PM »
whatever. I better go back to the real world,this delusional parallel universe you live in is frightening. Demanding purity of thought and speech of all supporters is just what this country needs.  Didnt they try that in Germany?

Well in the real world I expect people's actions to live up to their words. Especially when trying to be a leader of people. I do expect my leaders to have "purity of though and speech" for what they are leading us to (a better future hopefully).

So when a Democrat gets caught doing hanky-panky, it doesn't bother me - since their governing policy has no right or wrong about inter-personal relationships. However, I do expect a Republican, after all their "leadership" against sex outside marriage, adultery, gay sex and porn (not to mention a slew of other "vices"),  to not be in the closet, to not be doing it with a hooker or a married preacher, etc.

If my leaders, in effect, say to me, "do as I say, not as I do", I call that hypocrisy. So I do demand "purity of thought and speech" from my political leaders, pastors, teachers, boy scout leaders, etc. Otherwises, what do they stand for? Why should I follow?
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Re: Et tu Obama ?
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2007, 03:19:55 PM »
I haven't been fond of Obama since he made a whole speech at the beginning of the campaign about being above politics as usual and will not run a negative campaign and then started the smear stuff on Hillary.

It's not the smear stuff that actually bothered me so much as the need to pretend he was a different type of politician.   The last time we had someone running for president while triumphing about being outside the Washington politics mindset we ended up with a war in Iraq.


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Re: Et tu Obama ?
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2007, 07:21:39 PM »
I was never overly impressed with him. When everyone was going "ga ga" over him I was like "am I missing something?" Then again I'm never easily impressed, but he didn't even register a stitch with me.

If you want win against the Republicans and their knack for attacking and lying, you can't be nice. When someone attacks you in politics, you go at them ten times harder . At least this McClurkin crap gives me a definitive reason to not even second guess my lack of interest in him.

My friend gave me a stack of Hillary '08 bumper stickers last week which I plan on plastering all over the city.

Bye Bye Obama...

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Re: Et tu Obama ?
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2007, 11:24:47 PM »
....that ol' Kentucky homo Mitch McConnell.

Say it ain't so, Auntie D!!!!  He just couldn't be gay, he is married!
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Re: Et tu Obama ?
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2007, 05:40:55 AM »
Say it ain't so, Auntie D!!!!  He just couldn't be gay, he is married!

Oh it's so, and this time KY doesn't stand for Kentucky.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/61107/

http://www.blogactive.com/2007/03/my-old-kentucky-homo.html
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Re: Et tu Obama ?
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2007, 06:11:37 AM »
other than Obama knowing this one guy who says he was saved from homosexuality by Jesus, has Obama actually spoke out against gays? If some guy showed up at a Hillary deal saying the same thing, what would you do? Would you be OK with Obama having a supporter like this if he wasn't out in public speaking his thoughts and beliefs?

Obama smearing Hillary? Please,the Clintons are the master of the smear. Have you forgotten the Obama being Muslim rumor? Of course that was early on and Hillary has such a huge lead in money(from corporations and bundling) and the polls, there is no need to smear Obama or even challenge him on anything. 

I do wonder where all the stories about Hillary being the real power when Bill was pres. are coming from.  I don't doubt it, I just wonder who is circulating those. It could be Hillarys people or Obamas.

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Re: Et tu Obama ?
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2007, 07:36:23 AM »
The religious right has become the master of the republican party. Watching the republican candidates try to out "Christian" each other at the Values Voter's Summit is all the evidence we need.

Recently, there has been a lot of mainstream media noise about a new, more socially conscious evangelical movement rising from the angry ashes of the Christian right. Pastors like Rick Warren and "evangelical feminist" Bill Hybels are supposedly bringing issues like the environment and poverty to the forefront of the movement's social agenda, while pushing anti-abortion and anti-gay activism to the wayside. Yet no one told those evangelicals gathered at the Value Voters Summit about this friendly new initiative.

If anything, the movement seemed more extreme and paranoid than it did four years ago. Rev. Lou Sheldon, dubbed "Lucky Louie" by his former paymaster Jack Abramoff, told me that homosexuality is a "pathological disorder" and "a groove" that is difficult to escape from. He proceeded to passionately defend his friend, Senator Larry Craig, from allegations of homosexuality.

Star Parker, a former welfare cheat who had multiple abortions, claimed to me that abortion is the leading cause of death among African American women between the ages of 25 and 34. Then she described her wish for the forced quarantine of all "sodomites." Parker was not a lone wacko milling around in the hallway; she was a speaker invited by the Family Research Council.

Neoconservative activist Frank Gaffney appeared at the Summit as well. Before a standing room audience, Gaffney exclaimed that "by not being bigoted and not being racist, [George W.] Bush has embraced Islamofascists on several occasions." Phyllis Schlaffly echoed Gaffney's comments, declaring that there are too many mosques in America.

These incidents and many more are captured in my latest video report, "Theocracy Now: In Search of Values at the 2007 Value Voters Summit." See it for yourself.


 


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/theocracy-now_b_70314.html
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Re: Et tu Obama ?
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2007, 08:15:50 AM »
whatever. Still wondering, has Obama come out against gays, and is this guy who feels he saved himself through Jesus just a supporter of Obama or is he a guy who is always outfront at Obama events?
If this person who feels he saved his life by using Jesus to escape homosexuality didnt express his experience would you be OK with him? Is it ok for an individual who is unhappy as a homosexual to turn to religion as an instrument of change? Are you just against a persons freedom to express his religious beliefs or his expressing of those beliefs as something all homosexuals should try? I guess if a persons religious beliefs define your way of life as a sin or evil,there is gonna be a problem even if the person is not out in front of Obama.
Just wondering.

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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2007, 08:44:13 AM »
I could care less if McKlurkin believes Jesus cured him of dick sucking. If you believe it fine. However, I will speak out when McKlurkin is quoted saying: "I'm not in the mood to play with those who are trying to kill our children."   Damn right I'll speak up.
« Last Edit: October 30, 2007, 09:20:15 AM by Dachshund »

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Re: Et tu Obama ?
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2007, 09:47:46 AM »
Obama smearing Hillary? Please,the Clintons are the master of the smear. Have you forgotten the Obama being Muslim rumor? Of course that was early on and Hillary has such a huge lead in money(from corporations and bundling) and the polls, there is no need to smear Obama or even challenge him on anything. 

Jack - you missed my point:

It's not the smear stuff that actually bothered me so much as the need to pretend he was a different type of politician.   The last time we had someone running for president while triumphing about being outside the Washington politics mindset we ended up with a war in Iraq.

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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2007, 10:11:51 AM »
I got your point but they all say they are a different type of politician. We all know anyone coming out of Chicago isnt gonna be a different kind of politician but we really dont know till they are in office.  The real estate deals with shady Chicago figures means he really cant attack Clintons on their past and present schemes to get money.
Let me see, Carter,Reagan, and Clinton all ran on the fact they were from outside of the beltway and it worked pretty good.
I still dont remember how Obama has smeared the Clintons. How do you smear the Clintons? The people who support them are true believers who can not be moved. If what they have done in the past hasnt hurt them,I dont see how any smear campaign now or in future by anyone can hurt them.

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Re: Et tu Obama ?
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2007, 10:20:48 AM »
No Jack you don't get it.

Obama doesn't get my vote because his campaign is BASED off of being a different type of politician not just claiming it; something he already failed at by being the perfect politician.  It seems too much like the campaign of our current fuck up in the white house.

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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2007, 10:24:24 AM »
I bet Jack still thinks that Hillary killed Vince Foster.  Talk about a "true believer."
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« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2007, 10:36:59 AM »
I bet Jack still thinks that Hillary killed Vince Foster.  Talk about a "true believer."

She didn't?  There goes my vote.

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« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2007, 12:50:25 PM »
So your vote goes to Hillary? You condemn Obama for being an old time pol and master pol,and are gonna support the real master old time pol,the Clinton machine. Too funny. I really thought Obama would go further, but I think his comment about bombing Pakistan scared a few supporters off. Maybe he was just a fad,I dont know.
I do know that most people will be forced to vote against the democrat again. How can you put a Dem in office when you have nutjobs like Rangel,Byrd,Frank,Schummer all ready to raise taxes through the roof so they can spend more money than Bush. I think thats what really pisses Dems off, Bush spent more than they ever dreamed of spending and they will not be out done on that front.
Rangels new tax plan should end the present world wide economic boom.

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Re: Et tu Obama ?
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2007, 12:53:16 PM »
Colbert for president!

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« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2007, 02:12:17 PM »
In the end, conservatism will have to decide if it wants to be a real party of governance, moving beyond empty labels to engage with real issues, or if it wants to remain a party of reaction, in permanent rebellion against modernity, proffering emotionally satisfying but incoherent policies. Conservatism claims to be a politics of authenticity, but it is actually a politics of impulse and instinct. It is based on unmediated emotions, erupting from the individual ego -- Get big government off my back! Keep those civil rights laws out of my white backyard! Lower my taxes! This is ultimately an infantile or an adolescent politics, a failure to come to terms with a world that does not do exactly what the omnipotent self demands. Does conservatism want to grow up, or stay an angry teenager forever?

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« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2007, 02:18:00 PM »
Bush spent more than they (Dems) ever dreamed of spending and they will not be out done on that front.

Glad to see you admit that the Democrats are better at fiscal conservatism than the Republicans could ever hope to achieve ;)

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« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2007, 03:08:39 PM »
And if anyone is interested the Democratic candidates will be debating on MSNBC this evening. I'm wondering if Obama will be asked about it this evening.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/30/obama-disturbed-by-anti_n_70398.html

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« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2007, 03:21:45 PM »
This is why we speak out against this nonsense, whether it's at an Obama rally or the religious right's values voter's forum. I defy you to watch this video and then say we should be silent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/theocracy-now_b_70314.html

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« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2007, 03:43:43 PM »
the Huffington Post? What a joke. These guys are crazier than the whackjobs at Free Republic. What a riot.

Iggy, I didnt say the Dems were better at fiscal conservatism, I said they are pissed cause W spent more money than they ever dreamed of spending and now they have to out do him. The problem is neither side wants to cut spending because they derive their power from spending. There has never been cuts in spending and there never will be till there is some type of revolution.
If the Dems get their wish and do away with the capital gains cuts,death tax cuts,and cuts in taxes on dividends look for the economy to suck. I am surprised there hasnt been more selling of stocks this year to take advantage of the present capital gains tax. I guess that could still happen. Has Hillary told Wall Street her tax and redistribution of wealth threats are just to sucker in more saps,because she is getting a ton of dough from Financial corps.
I thought either Harold Ford or Richardson had the best chance of beating Republicans because they are not as radical as Hillary,have much more experience,understand the importance of free markets,and are likable. Hillary is very polarizing and will mobilize the republicans version of the Dem nutjobs who hate everything Bush.

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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2007, 03:53:24 PM »
Someone likes to try and change the subject whenever it's about homophobia. ;)

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« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2007, 04:02:58 PM »

I thought either Harold Ford or Richardson had the best chance of beating Republicans because they are not as radical as Hillary,have much more experience,understand the importance of free markets,and are likable.


 Last time I checked likable ol' best chance Harold Ford was defeated by a Republican. He is now head of the DNC which was formed and controlled by the Clinton's and is the moderate to conservative wing of the Democratic party. Harold makes no bones about his support for Hillary. You still like him?
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« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2007, 06:29:20 PM »
Yeah, I still like him and I still like Richardson even though he worked for the Waskally one and will probably be Hillarys VP if she can't get someone from the South or Texas on the ticket.   Its a toss up, Ford would bring some middle of roaders because he understands economics and is considered friendly to business, and Richardson is very smooth,if he washes his hair.  Funny,these were two of Don Imus most frequent quests,along with Lurch.


 


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