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Author Topic: The Banning of Moffie65  (Read 10639 times)

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Online Joe K

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The Banning of Moffie65
« on: October 23, 2007, 07:51:43 PM »
I was stunned to just learn that Tim (Moffie65) has been permanently banned from this site, yet I can find no offense he committed, at least in the forums, that would require such a drastic action.  This forum has sure changed and sadly, not for the better.

Offline thunter34

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2007, 07:56:19 PM »
It appears that his blog is now gone as well.
AIDS isn't for sissies.

Offline David_CA

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2007, 08:40:19 PM »
Where / how did you learn he'd been banned?  All I could find is that he had a 30 day time out.

David
Black Friday 03-03-2006
03-23-06 CD4 359 @27.4% VL 75,938
06-01-06 CD4 462 @24.3% VL > 100,000
08-15-06 CD4 388 @22.8% VL >  "
10-21-06 CD4 285 @21.9% VL >  "
  Atripla started 12-01-2006
01-08-07 CD4 429 @26.8% VL 1872!
05-08-07 CD4 478 @28.1% VL 740
08-03-07 CD4 509 @31.8% VL 370
11-06-07 CD4 570 @30.0% VL 140
02-21-08 CD4 648 @32.4% VL 600
05-19-08 CD4 695 @33.1% VL < 48 undetectable!
08-21-08 CD4 725 @34.5%
11-11-08 CD4 672 @39.5%
02-11-09 CD4 773 @36.8%
05-11-09 CD4 615 @36.2%
08-19-09 CD4 770 @38.5%
11-19-09 CD4 944 @33.7%
02-17-10 CD4 678 @39.9%  
06-03-10 CD4 768 @34.9%
09-21-10 CD4 685 @40.3%
01-10-11 CD4 908 @36.3%
05-23-11 CD4 846 @36.8% VL 80
02-13-12 CD4 911 @41.4% VL<20
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Online Joe K

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2007, 09:13:56 PM »
Tim sent me an email with exchanges between him and management and they changed his TO from a 30-day to permanent.  I won't go into the gory details, suffice it to say he deserved much better, but that was the old AIDSmeds.com, not the new commercial endeavor.  People are getting rich off this site, while walking over those people who started and built this forum from its inception.  So sad and now I expect that I will be banned as well, even though I only post about twice a year.

Offline AlanBama

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2007, 09:48:17 PM »
This is very sad news to me.   I know nothing of the 'behind the scenes' interactions regarding all this, but I do know that I love Tim very much.  He has helped a tremendous number of people here, including me  -- too many times to count.

Alan   :'(
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Offline ademas

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2007, 09:49:31 PM »
Very sad news, indeed.
 >:(

Offline Bucko

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2007, 10:00:16 PM »
I remember when i first joined the old forum, Tim would welcome new members with a dozen roses. He seemed like the mayor around here.

He is a valued contributor to The Spin Cycle. Anything he posts there will be announced, for sure. Hopefully he's saved his old AM blog posts for his own records if not to reprint on our blog.

I owe him an e-mail, but should probably just phone him.

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Offline leatherman

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2007, 10:44:55 PM »
the first PM I ever received here was from Moffie - telling me it was okay that I  wasn't "optimistic"; and that it didn't mean that I was "pessimistic". I will miss his "realistic" entries in these forums. :(

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Offline Queen Tokelove

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2007, 10:48:07 PM »
Well isn't this a turn of events? I was saddened to learn that he had gotten a 30 day TO and now he is gone forever? I am truly sadden by this and must ask if this was even called for? I can not tell Peter how to run his site but Moffie will truly be missed. What a fucked up day indeed...... :'(
Started Atripla/Ziagen on 9/13/07.
10/31/07 CD4-265 VL- undetectable
2/6/08 CD4- 401 VL- undetectable
5/7/08 CD4- 705 VL- undetectable
6/4/08 CD4- 775 VL- undetectable
8/6/08 CD4- 805 VL- undetectable
11/13/08 CD4- 774 VL--undetectable
2/4/09  CD4- 484  VL- 18,000 (2 months off meds)
3/3/09---Starting Back on Meds---
4/27/09 CD4- 664 VL-- undetectable
6/17/09 CD4- 438 VL- 439
8/09 CD4- 404 VL- 1,600
01-22-10-- CD4- 525 VL- 59,000
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Offline fearless

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2007, 10:57:35 PM »
Sorry moderators, but that sucks.
Be forgiving, be grateful, be optimistic

Offline David_CA

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2007, 11:05:53 PM »
Tim was always very respectful towards me and offered a lot of support, especially early on after my diagnosis.  He kind of 'got me thinking' about positive changes I needed to make since finding out about HIV.  I will miss him, but I'm not going to say that he didn't push the limits of what one can expect to get away with and not be T/O'ed, warned, etc.  He was / is very outspoken.  I tend to be the same way, but very much 'mind my manners' here on the forums.  I'd hate for any of us to draw too many conclusions without knowing what went on in private between him and the mods.  I will say that I'm going to miss him posting here.  He's one of those whose post I either enjoyed and agreed, or just thought he was way out there.  Either way, his posts got me thinking, and that is good.  Tim, take care; I know many of us will miss you.

David
Black Friday 03-03-2006
03-23-06 CD4 359 @27.4% VL 75,938
06-01-06 CD4 462 @24.3% VL > 100,000
08-15-06 CD4 388 @22.8% VL >  "
10-21-06 CD4 285 @21.9% VL >  "
  Atripla started 12-01-2006
01-08-07 CD4 429 @26.8% VL 1872!
05-08-07 CD4 478 @28.1% VL 740
08-03-07 CD4 509 @31.8% VL 370
11-06-07 CD4 570 @30.0% VL 140
02-21-08 CD4 648 @32.4% VL 600
05-19-08 CD4 695 @33.1% VL < 48 undetectable!
08-21-08 CD4 725 @34.5%
11-11-08 CD4 672 @39.5%
02-11-09 CD4 773 @36.8%
05-11-09 CD4 615 @36.2%
08-19-09 CD4 770 @38.5%
11-19-09 CD4 944 @33.7%
02-17-10 CD4 678 @39.9%  
06-03-10 CD4 768 @34.9%
09-21-10 CD4 685 @40.3%
01-10-11 CD4 908 @36.3%
05-23-11 CD4 846 @36.8% VL 80
02-13-12 CD4 911 @41.4% VL<20
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Offline Jerry71

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2007, 12:18:39 AM »
It is a down right shame what has happened to the forums here. I can remember a time when we all came on and greeted everyone that was new and would welcome to a great forum family, but here lately this place has gotten so strict.

This is a place where we come and talk about our problems and try to get useful information. It just seems like damn if you do and damn if you don't there are so many on here just sitting back on the sidelines just watching to see who is the next one to get the boot. I for one am not a top poster. I come in and read what I can and move on and mind my own business, but when I see that a fourm member that has given so much of his time here on the forums get the TO it just amazes me. WHY???????  >:(

Good luck and take care Tim you will be missed. :'(

Offline joemutt

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2007, 12:20:51 AM »
That's devastating.
I hope we get some feedback from the moderators.
Or is it  :-X  :-X  :-X  :-X  :-X ?

Offline sdcabincrew74

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2007, 12:26:27 AM »
Someone needs to ban the fucking assine moderators around here.  FUCK WADS!
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Offline northernguy

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2007, 12:32:54 AM »
Hmm,  perhaps it might have something to do with this in his last post:

"This last post of yours tells me more than the first post above, and if you think the future is bright for people living with HIV, you are stupider than any of us could imagine."

I know this won't be a popular viewpoint, but can you imagine the effect that statement has on someone's who's just been diagnosed?  That said, I'll miss Tim's advice to those wrestling with particular issues that he had dealt with over his long experience with this damn virus.
Apr 28/06 cd4 600 vl 10,600 cd% 25
Nov 8/09 cd4 510 vl 49,5000 cd% 16
Jan 16/10 cd4 660 vl 54,309 cd% 16
Feb 17/10 Started Atripla
Mar 7/10 cd4 710 vl 1,076 cd% 21
Apr 18/10 cd4 920 vl 268 cd% 28
Jun 19/10 cd4 450 vl 60 cd% 25
Aug 15/10 cd4 680 vl 205 cd% 27
Apr 3/11 cd4 780 vl <40 cd% 30
Jul 17/11 cd4 960 vl <40 cd%33
April 15/12 cd4 1,010 vl <40 cd% 39
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Offline scud44

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2007, 12:37:16 AM »
The moderators seem surprisingly quiet today!!!!!!!!!!!!


Wonder why???
CD4 = 110 - 30 July 2007 - 10%
VL = 139000 - 30 July 2007
CD4 = 252 - 6th August 2007
VL = 16400 - 23rd August 2007
CD4 = 240 - 23rd August 2007
VL = 400 4th Sept 2007
CD4 = 96 - 4th Sept 2007
CD4 = 120 18th Sept 2007
VL = 386000 19th Nov 2007
CD4 = 160 19th Nov 2007
CD4 = 110 10th Jan 2008
CD4 = 311 29th Jan 2008
VL = <50 29th Jan 2008
CD4 = 148 2nd April 2008
VL = 110,000 2nd April 2008
June 2010 and nothing has improved

Offline thunter34

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2007, 12:37:32 AM »
Someone needs to ban the fucking assine moderators around here.  FUCK WADS!

Hold up.  I know emotions are running high right now, but I have to take exception to that statement.  That's a broad sting against a whole group of people that work pretty hard at this here - and that I quite like.  And I hate making a post like this because it reads all ass-kissy, but it's not.  I mean it.  I am not at all happy with this situation either, but I'm not willing to let that one get slung across the board from Andy to Jan.  Reconsider that statement, please...and accept that we don't have the whole story.
AIDS isn't for sissies.

Offline Peter Staley

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2007, 12:42:29 AM »
Someone needs to ban the fucking assine moderators around here.  FUCK WADS!

SD -- consider yourself warned.  We don't tolerate members abusing other members, or the mods, in this way.

Peter

Offline Queen Tokelove

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2007, 12:42:56 AM »
I have only been a part of the "new" forums for just a year so I am clueless to what the old forums was like. I wouldn't count on getting a blow by blow of what went down between Moffie and the management but I still have to say was it worth Moffie getting kicked out forever?

I know the forums has its rules but damn. I thought everyone was entitled to their opinions and like assholes everybody has one. I am really at a loss of what to say about this other than it is really messed up. Do we all have to walk on eggshells now? And if Moffie has gotten the boot, I can see w/o calling out any names who will be the next ones to go.....It is truly a sad day for me....Today Moffie...Tomorrow me or someone else I hold dear...*sighs in disgust*
Started Atripla/Ziagen on 9/13/07.
10/31/07 CD4-265 VL- undetectable
2/6/08 CD4- 401 VL- undetectable
5/7/08 CD4- 705 VL- undetectable
6/4/08 CD4- 775 VL- undetectable
8/6/08 CD4- 805 VL- undetectable
11/13/08 CD4- 774 VL--undetectable
2/4/09  CD4- 484  VL- 18,000 (2 months off meds)
3/3/09---Starting Back on Meds---
4/27/09 CD4- 664 VL-- undetectable
6/17/09 CD4- 438 VL- 439
8/09 CD4- 404 VL- 1,600
01-22-10-- CD4- 525 VL- 59,000
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Offline leatherman

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2007, 12:43:57 AM »
 ???

--mikie
(who doesn't know the "whole" situation but thinks it would have benefited the mods to have been a bit more proactive with a statement about this issue. Nobody would probably notice if I got banned ;) but Moffie has quite a reputation)
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Offline Jerry71

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2007, 12:48:53 AM »
I think there should be a vote from the forum members here but we have no say what so ever on anything but just to come in and contribute our time and energy each time we sign on to this site. It has just gotten pretty bad here lately.  >:(

Offline anniebc

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2007, 12:49:41 AM »
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Someone needs to ban the fucking assine moderators around here.  FUCK WADS!

Nice choice of words there..and you wonder why people get warnings a TO's given to them...and just for the record don't ever call me (or anyone one else) a
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FUCK WAD
again.

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The moderators seem surprisingly quiet today!!!!!!!!!!!!


Wonder why???

Have you ever entertained the thought that we have a life outside of the forums...I know I have.

Jan
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Offline Jody

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2007, 12:54:25 AM »
I also received an e-mail from Tim (Moffie) and learned of his permanent ban.  I understand that certain rules and regulations for keeping the peace around here are deemed necessary by the folks who have worked hard to keep this great online forum around for all of us to gain love, support and much info from each other for free.  Also I might remind you that the folks who brought us Aidsmeds and have worked hard to maintain it have been in the trenches in the 80's and 90's and were arrested and inconvenienced to say the least to ensure that so many of us today have the meds as well as the ability to get financial help to get the meds that would be beyond the reach of 99% of us, including myself.

That being said I was going to let things cool off a bit and personally was going to ask the moderators for an "Auld Lang Syne" sort of forgiveness, not just for Tim but also for Bailey (Dingo Boi) and maybe even a few others who have added so much love and support over the last several years.

It is a shame that many old timers such as Jonathan (jk), Joe (Killfoile), Tim, Bailey, Jim (fiskernish) and others do not or cannot post anymore, or certainly not as often.  Again, I cannot tell good folks how to run their website but a certain strictness has taken hold...We are not a school or summer camp and letting the fur fly a bit has always been a great trademark of this site that was often left on it's own to cool off and move on to the next topic...We kind of policed ourselves if you will with great passion, but in most cases much respect.  Whether that is possible with the growth that has taken place here may not be an issue I am intelligent enought to speak on.

To correlate it to baseball, nowadays when a batter is hit by a pitch,  automatically the rules state that both teams are warned by the umpires and there is no retaliation allowed or ejections and stiff fines ensue...In the past the players handled it on their own and the brawls we see today did not take place as a batter would not dare charge the mound to attack a pitcher if he were hit by a pitch as all pitchers in the league would find out and that man would be a sitting duck for all pitchers.  In other words, as some of the old timers complain, the game has changed but with players not allowed to take care of their teammates, more fighting resulted.  I understand a website is not a sporting event, but the correlation is one that came to mind.

So I would hope we could at least somewhat police ourselves, with only truly flagrant violaters being banned such as Val who really crossed the line with downright insidious racial and religious comments that were more than insensitive, they did not just criticize rationally, they stung and really hurt.  Locking topics as moderators deem necessary is fine, a time-out I can see, but a ban is forever and some folks may not come back even if asked and that hurts them and us all.

I would hope that perhaps by year's end we could see some of our friends asked to return to a place they have contributed so much to.

With due respect for all.......................

Jody :(
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Offline Queen Tokelove

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2007, 12:57:33 AM »
I have to agree with Thunter Bunny and say that being ignorant is not going to make things any better. Calling someone a fuckwad is just going to get your ass canned just as fast. And I agree with you too Jerry, we the forum members will not be allowed to vote Moffie back in. But I do wish Peter would give us a "formal" statement of some kind.
Started Atripla/Ziagen on 9/13/07.
10/31/07 CD4-265 VL- undetectable
2/6/08 CD4- 401 VL- undetectable
5/7/08 CD4- 705 VL- undetectable
6/4/08 CD4- 775 VL- undetectable
8/6/08 CD4- 805 VL- undetectable
11/13/08 CD4- 774 VL--undetectable
2/4/09  CD4- 484  VL- 18,000 (2 months off meds)
3/3/09---Starting Back on Meds---
4/27/09 CD4- 664 VL-- undetectable
6/17/09 CD4- 438 VL- 439
8/09 CD4- 404 VL- 1,600
01-22-10-- CD4- 525 VL- 59,000
Cherish the simple things life has to offer

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Offline joemutt

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2007, 12:59:04 AM »
I appreciate you have a life outside Annie, and I also appreciate your work here
but I  think it would be more beneficial to address the thread's real issue than to concentrate on the (predictably) emotional outbursts of the members.

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2007, 01:07:31 AM »
Moffie was one of the first to welcome me to the forums.  He had lived on the Russian River in the past and welcomed me for being an Activist on the River and offered me a lot of support through the RWCA Reauthorization issue. I have read his blog more than anyone elses because of the signifigance of the pandemic in the early years here in my county  I will miss him.  Have the best day
Michael.

Offline Jerry71

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2007, 01:08:28 AM »
Time outs and permant bands are what this site is set on now back in the old forums there were never a timeout given or a permant band on any member if someone said something to you back then tuff shit you just took your medicine and reported it to a moderator and enough said. Now the least little thing said on here you get a slap in the face and get banned. Bailey was banned but still has a blog on the site. To me If I or anyone else had a blog on this site and I was banned I would take my blog off this site. So is there anyway that you Moderators can come up with a better form of punishment that what you have installed here lately on this site. 7day is fine 30 day should be used if someone gets so irrate and cusses everyone out. But a ban from a web site as this is just plain dumb. >:(

Offline David_CA

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2007, 01:13:10 AM »
Jerry, maybe something short of permanent, maybe like a 90 day 'ban', then a semi probationary period.  I know of many other members who've been downright mean at times, but they were going through some major shit then, too.  Since it's passed, they seem, for the most part, back to normal.  Maybe a permanent ban should be an option for those whose sole motivation is creating chaos in the forums.

David
Black Friday 03-03-2006
03-23-06 CD4 359 @27.4% VL 75,938
06-01-06 CD4 462 @24.3% VL > 100,000
08-15-06 CD4 388 @22.8% VL >  "
10-21-06 CD4 285 @21.9% VL >  "
  Atripla started 12-01-2006
01-08-07 CD4 429 @26.8% VL 1872!
05-08-07 CD4 478 @28.1% VL 740
08-03-07 CD4 509 @31.8% VL 370
11-06-07 CD4 570 @30.0% VL 140
02-21-08 CD4 648 @32.4% VL 600
05-19-08 CD4 695 @33.1% VL < 48 undetectable!
08-21-08 CD4 725 @34.5%
11-11-08 CD4 672 @39.5%
02-11-09 CD4 773 @36.8%
05-11-09 CD4 615 @36.2%
08-19-09 CD4 770 @38.5%
11-19-09 CD4 944 @33.7%
02-17-10 CD4 678 @39.9%  
06-03-10 CD4 768 @34.9%
09-21-10 CD4 685 @40.3%
01-10-11 CD4 908 @36.3%
05-23-11 CD4 846 @36.8% VL 80
02-13-12 CD4 911 @41.4% VL<20
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Offline anniebc

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2007, 01:35:11 AM »
Hi Joe

I appreciate your concerns but I'm not authorised to speak on behave of all the Moderators, I can only voice my opinions of the posts that have been written so far.

Queenie...You are absolutely right everyone is entitled to their opinion, but how would you feel if every time you voiced your opinion on how you were dealing with your HIV/Depression etc, etc (good or bad) someone came in and tor strips off you and abused you with childish name calling..honestly, how would you feel...and who would you call on to stop the abuse?

Jerry..I remember the old forums well, I joined them in 2003, I also remember when a simple warning or a gentle slap on the wrist to those who became abusive actually worked..why? because they listened...so I have to ask, why are some of them not listening now?.

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2007, 01:43:45 AM »
In my opinion it's either moderate or personal opinion.
I write this without any animosity.

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2007, 01:51:50 AM »
I think the mods do a great job.  If people resort to name calling or insulting other members, is that acceptable?  Where would it end? I'm on other (non-HIV) forums where criticizing the mods, or even a thread like this, would not even be allowed.  Plus, last time I checked, none of us have to pay a cent to use this site.
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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2007, 02:02:36 AM »
It's not a case of either/or. I'm perfectly happy with the moderating here in general and
when there are concerns, I just ask clarification, I think that's legitimate too.
. That this is a free site, but also a money making enterprise btw, is a moot point.
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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2007, 02:09:10 AM »
I can't believe that Moffie is banned but I don't have the entire story yet, either.  Its people like him that have "been through the trenches" as one said, and can make a difference with wisdom gained over the years.

Somehow, I don't think that this is over, and that perhaps Moffie will be invited back.  I would think that no matter what words were exchanged, everyone would understand that we all get stressed out.  This virus can play havoc with our minds, good days, bad days, uncertainty.

One thing I am certain of, I want Moffie back here, even if its probationary.

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2007, 02:14:23 AM »
The moderators have a very tough job, maintaining the 'peace' on an online community for people affected and infected.

Permanent banning of course, is the final option that a moderator has, and I doubt that its a decision that is made lightly (and I don't doubt that it hurts the moderators to have to use that final option).  In the end, this is an online community, and they are the moderators, its their job to maintain the peace, we don't have to agree with all their decisions, but we have to support them making those difficult decisions.  These are our peers, people in the same situation as ourselves.  They don't need abuse for doing their thankless job.

I don't know why he was banned, I have to assume that he'd been warned/asked to stop.

Be happy that it can be discussed, some online communities just censor all conversation regarding moderator decisions.

Imagine yourself in their shoes, how would you handle someone that abused people regularly and refused to stop?!? doesn't really leave many options.

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2007, 02:34:36 AM »
Some of us who have HIV/AIDS,in addition to having commpromised immune systems, have had our self-esteem knocked down a peg or two.  There are many, many things I am no longer capable of doing and that often gives me pause as to my worthiness as a human being.  I have so many doubts about myself it isn't funny.  Depression also now plays a big part in my life.  So when someone comes on here and and says I'm stupider than he thought, or if I don't agree with what he says then I can kiss his "fine" ass, or that his post is not open to "criticizm nor discussion", well, I don't need that. 

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2007, 03:06:24 AM »
I can't believe Tim has been banned he's contributed so much here.  Very sad indeed.....
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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2007, 03:58:30 AM »
i'll miss him too ??? :(

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2007, 04:16:06 AM »
How awful, he was one of the first people to welcome me here and gave so much. This sucks.
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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2007, 04:34:44 AM »
We all know that this decision was not taken lightly and will affect Tim and the many members who know and love him.  But what about the people who have been at the other end of his opinions.  Is it only me who has winced at some of the more acerbic posts?

People get banned for what they say on this forum.  We know that there are people fighting to deal with the ravages of this virus and they speak from their own experience, difficult, painful and sometimes with bluntness.  But HIV affects us all in different ways, whether that it from naivety or not, but one of the joys of this site is the many different lives, views and experiences that people bring to this site.

I hate the banning of members, but I support the moderators when they make these difficult decisions.  

Every member has the chance to heed the warnings.

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2007, 04:36:29 AM »
I was stunned to just learn that Tim (Moffie65) has been permanently banned from this site, yet I can find no offense he committed, at least in the forums, that would require such a drastic action.  This forum has sure changed and sadly, not for the better.

Joe,

Tim wasn't banned permanently for what he did in the forum - he was banned because he pulled his own blog, for the second time in his membership, and threatened Peter with legal action concerning his blog.

We have warned, begged and pleaded with Tim - for years now - to not post in anger. He's done it again and again and again. Just because he's a well-loved member of the forum doesn't give him carte blanche to use inflammatory and insulting language towards members he disagrees with.

Tim sent me an email with exchanges between him and management and they changed his TO from a 30-day to permanent.  I won't go into the gory details, suffice it to say he deserved much better, but that was the old AIDSmeds.com, not the new commercial endeavor.  People are getting rich off this site, while walking over those people who started and built this forum from its inception.  So sad and now I expect that I will be banned as well, even though I only post about twice a year.

Please tell me who is getting rich off this site - maybe I can get them to front me a loan. ::)

It is a down right shame what has happened to the forums here. I can remember a time when we all came on and greeted everyone that was new and would welcome to a great forum family, but here lately this place has gotten so strict.

This is a place where we come and talk about our problems and try to get useful information. It just seems like damn if you do and damn if you don't there are so many on here just sitting back on the sidelines just watching to see who is the next one to get the boot. I for one am not a top poster. I come in and read what I can and move on and mind my own business, but when I see that a fourm member that has given so much of his time here on the forums get the TO it just amazes me. WHY???????  >:(

Good luck and take care Tim you will be missed. :'(

Jerry,

Just recently you sent me several PMs saying how much you appreciated the fact that we weren't letting people get away with flaming so much any more. Make up your mind. "It just seems like damn if you do and damn if you don't..." Yeah, tell me about it.

Someone needs to ban the fucking assine moderators around here.  FUCK WADS!

SD,

You're lucky Jan and Peter got to you first. I would have given you a Time Out, no warnings necessary.

The moderators seem surprisingly quiet today!!!!!!!!!!!!


Wonder why???

Scud,

Gee, I spend between eight and twelve hours a day most days on this site. I guess I'll have to learn to not sleep, just to please you. Sheesh.

I have only been a part of the "new" forums for just a year so I am clueless to what the old forums was like. I wouldn't count on getting a blow by blow of what went down between Moffie and the management but I still have to say was it worth Moffie getting kicked out forever?

I know the forums has its rules but damn. I thought everyone was entitled to their opinions and like assholes everybody has one. I am really at a loss of what to say about this other than it is really messed up. Do we all have to walk on eggshells now? And if Moffie has gotten the boot, I can see w/o calling out any names who will be the next ones to go.....It is truly a sad day for me....Today Moffie...Tomorrow me or someone else I hold dear...*sighs in disgust*

Queen,

Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Tim was NOT Timed Out for his viewpoint, he was TOd because of the way HE CHOSE to put that viewpoint across. He was banned for what he did in response to his TO.

I think there should be a vote from the forum members here but we have no say what so ever on anything but just to come in and contribute our time and energy each time we sign on to this site. It has just gotten pretty bad here lately.  >:(

If you think we're going to ask for a vote every time we need to TO someone, well, guess again. You don't have to come to this site, Jerry, you can always go create your own and see how easy you think it is to moderate a bunch of people who are constantly trying to wound each other with words.


//snip//

That being said I was going to let things cool off a bit and personally was going to ask the moderators for an "Auld Lang Syne" sort of forgiveness, not just for Tim but also for Bailey (Dingo Boi) and maybe even a few others who have added so much love and support over the last several years.


//snip//


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Jody,

That may have been an option until Joe decided to wade in and make a public issue of it. You've got no chance now.

We're all sorry it had to come to this.

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2007, 05:15:19 AM »
This is horribly, horribly tragic. 
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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2007, 05:36:09 AM »
I think the mods do a great job.  If people resort to name calling or insulting other members, is that acceptable?  Where would it end? I'm on other (non-HIV) forums where criticizing the mods, or even a thread like this, would not even be allowed.  Plus, last time I checked, none of us have to pay a cent to use this site.

I was thinking the same thing Northernguy, and the posting guidelines are quite clear.

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2007, 05:44:36 AM »
 Is it only me who has winced at some of the more acerbic posts?
No, it's not just you.  

We are given free choice in how we act in the forum (and via PM's activity with other members/moderators).  That we are ALL held accountable for the consequences of our actions (choices), is just a fact of life.  It's a shame things have ended up this way (as it is for all bannings).  But it's unfair to lash out at the moderators when popular members are banned.  Popularity shouldn't dictate whether we are subject to the rules of participation.

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2007, 06:23:29 AM »
Hey gang:

I'm in Madrid right now to do online coverage of the European AIDS Conference.  It's a little nuts here, so I won't be in the forums much for the next week.

This banning really saddens me as well, but we really felt we had no choice.  It was never what Moffie sad that got him into trouble, it was how he said it.  In the end, he really didn't seem to care how hard it is for our mods to keep the discourse in these forums at a somewhat civil level.  If we continued to let this slide, then there would be just as many folks blaming us for playing favorites.

His banning resulted because of actions and emails between Moffie and me immediately after he was given the 30 day TO.  But I want to be very clear about something.  The banning was almost beside the point.  Moffie made it very clear he wanted nothing further to do with AIDSmeds.com, and his subsequent campaign via email with some members to paint this banning as a unilateral action on our part is simply not true.  As far as I'm concerned, it was a mutual decision.

As for Moffie's blog, that was completely his choice, and he didn't even ask us first -- he just cleaned it out.  This happened before he was banned.  I had really hoped he would continue blogging, just as Bailey has.

For me personally, Monday was a very dark day for these forums.  It's all very sad, but I stand by the hard decisions we made 100%.  Folks are making this sound like a new pattern of overly aggressive bannings.  The reality is that in all the years of these forums, we've only banned two long-term members -- just two.  We don't make these decisions lightly.  One of the two has shown a great deal of maturity in taking some ownership of his responsibility for what happened.  The other, sadly, will likely never do the same.

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2007, 06:48:00 AM »
The only reason for my previous comment Ann, was that no previous comments had been received from Moderators on what was a sensitive subject.
To your credit, apart from Peter who made a well timed comment about an unneccesary posting, you were the first to post a timely comment.
I was not intending to cast an aspersion that you weren't working hard, just that maybe earlier comments could have been appropriate to forestall some nastiness
I apologise Ann, if you have been offended

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2007, 07:03:25 AM »
Very sad news indeed.

Moffie : THANK YOU for your time and experience. You will be missed  :'(

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2007, 07:30:51 AM »

That being said I was going to let things cool off a bit and personally was going to ask the moderators for an "Auld Lang Syne" sort of forgiveness, not just for Tim but also for Bailey (Dingo Boi) and maybe even a few others who have added so much love and support over the last several years.


Here, Here !! I am not happy alll with Tim's Banning, and I was not happy at all with Baileys banning.


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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #47 on: October 24, 2007, 07:51:54 AM »
Here, Here !! I am not happy alll with Tim's Banning, and I was not happy at all with Baileys banning.


Ray

Ray,

We're not happy with banning people either - but either we enforce rules here or we let chaos reign. It's not like they weren't repeatedly warned, over a period of years. Sometimes there comes a point when enough is enough.

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #48 on: October 24, 2007, 07:59:37 AM »
Tim will be missed, that's for sure!

I for one don't know what I would have done without Tims words of wisdom and encouragement when we found out hubby has AIDS. He has been there many times for me and thank God he was! I feel awful that people newly diagnosed will never be able to read his words again here at the forums. He told it like it is for him living 20+ years with this virus. Sure not everyone will experience what he has gone through, but I know what CAN happen to hubby and maybe just maybe it will help him in the long run.

I too got the email from Tim and was shocked and sadden by his ban.

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Re: The Banning of Moffie65
« Reply #49 on: October 24, 2007, 08:10:11 AM »
I'll certainly miss Moffie - he had a lot to offer and offered it gladly.

That said, I support the decision made. For forums on this scale to have any chance of working at all, particularly when most people never actually meet each other face-to-face, there's got to be rules - for rules to have any point at all they must be enforced fairly and without favour.

If anything I think the moderators on this site are exceptionally restrained and patient when dealing with transgressors, giving them ample opportunity to heed warnings. I can't recall ever seeing a TO or ban that I felt wasn't justified given the person's actions. Be glad they volunteer their time or there would be no forums.

 


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