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Author Topic: True or False?  (Read 2686 times)

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Offline Customer

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True or False?
« on: October 02, 2007, 05:16:56 PM »
Is this statement true or false:

"No viral disease has ever been CURED by medical treatment."

Offline Queen Tokelove

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2007, 05:27:45 PM »
Of course, I have no clue if it is true or false but awaits the replies of some of the more educated members of the forum on this one......
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Re: True or False?
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2007, 05:30:00 PM »
What do you mean by cured?

There are two things: immunity and eradication. It is possible for an individual to get self immunity against a virus, so you could consider this person cured, for example I had Hep-B, my system is strong enough to have "cured" it by itself and has provided me with life immunity against Hep-B, but it doesn't mean that the virus has been eradicated. The smallpox virus is the only virus that has been eradicated in 1979 by massive vaccination.

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mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
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jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
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Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2007, 05:50:21 PM »
Matty the Damned suspects a trap is being laid here. He would advise potential respondents to review Customers posts before replying.

MtD

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2007, 06:00:49 PM »
You could be on to something, Inspector!
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Re: True or False?
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2007, 06:04:54 PM »
;D

It's all part of being an Evil GeniusTM, Philodendron.

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2007, 06:23:31 PM »
Quote
He would advise potential respondents to review Customers posts before replying.

Apologies to the Evil Genius but I couldn't do it...brain exploded half way through post #3

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2007, 06:24:16 PM »
So I don't win?  >:(

Milker.
mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
may 27 10: cd4 655 (32%) vl undetectable :D :D

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2007, 06:30:00 PM »
Apologies to the Evil Genius but I couldn't do it...brain exploded half way through post #3

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Jan :-*

Heavens to Mergatroid, Jan! If that's the case, you better stay out of the Research forum completely. I don't want to have to keep cleaning grey matter off that forum all the time! ;D

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2007, 07:26:30 PM »
The research section = SERIOUS INTERNET BUSINESS
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Re: True or False?
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2007, 07:27:25 PM »
 :D :D...God forbid I should give you more work to do Ann...all that scientific stuff is too much for this blond... ;)

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2007, 09:37:13 PM »
True or False?  I dunno, I always opted for the multiple choice questions.  Have the best day
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(who always bought used textbooks from the smart kids)

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2007, 12:02:16 AM »
Is this statement True or False:

"One should explain why they are asking the questions they post here."

True
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Offline Smoothstone

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2007, 03:07:23 AM »
There are reports of hepatits c cleared by treatment.

Offline newt

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2007, 03:17:47 AM »
FALSE

What smoothstone said, hepatitis C for one
Plus some types of influenza are amenable to treatment with some antibiotics

Strictly speaking hepatitis C treatment aids the immune system to clear the virus and for flu the antibiotics are virostatic rather than properly virucidal so again the immune system is important.

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Offline Customer

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2007, 10:55:43 AM »
I just heard some claim that viruses have never been cured. I wanted to hear your opinion. so.... HEP C you claim can be cured (totally eradicated).


Nope, there was no trap.

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2007, 04:04:52 PM »
Eradicate=Destroy completely

The hep C virus has not been eradicated

The last recorded case of the smallpox virus was in Africa (I think) in 1977/78, and the World Health Organization decided to declare the disease eradicated in 1980...as far as I know this is the only Virus that has ever been eradicated..but I could be wrong.

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2007, 04:58:20 PM »
The last recorded case of the smallpox virus was in Africa (I think) in 1977/78, and the World Health Organization decided to declare the disease eradicated in 1980...as far as I know this is the only Virus that has ever been eradicated..but I could be wrong.
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mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
may 27 10: cd4 655 (32%) vl undetectable :D :D

Now accepting applications from blowjob ninjas™

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2007, 05:00:19 PM »
In my experience, doctors who know what they're talking about speak of a "sustained response" when discussing an absence of hcv viral load. People have been known to experience viral rebound up to two years after the end of treatment.  

I've had a sustained response for a little over four years but I hesitate to use the word "cured".

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Offline newt

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Re: True or False?
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2007, 05:12:54 PM »
It really does hinge on what you mean by CURE

In any case, the immune system does most of the work with most infections << and may times does well enough on its own. Is no herpes outbreak for 10 years a CURE? 15? Leukaemia "remission"? etc etc. Very few treatments are directly responsible 100% for CURE of any infection.  Most antibiotics, for example, are bacteriostatic, they just stop the bacteria reproducing and leave the immune system to mop up the carnage. Likewise most antifungals.

More pertinent is whether any treatment for a virus is successful (in some sense) ie restores the person to good health free from the effects of the infection, much more nebulous.....

CURE is a word from before the discovery of the body's immune responses. << or a technique to make a good bacon

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