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Author Topic: SOMEONE please explain me,what if I suspect, that I still could b infected?SUBTY  (Read 3661 times)

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Offline concernedabtit

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Unfortunately I would have to agree with KVN and his concernrs. Im also having quite a lot of ongoing symptoms for a longer than a year and the most significant its dimentia, which doesnt occur during other infections of course many symptoms could be of any other infections, but this one is the most significant. The only solution to prove to the world, that something strange is going on is to have the CD4 tests done, a few times, which Im having shortly.

I had my concerns increased after the sex with a hooker and other coinfection, but I had really bed symptoms a week after the sex, of course not paying attention to them.

The only thing I cant understand, why this site giving some pieces of advice on HIV and about strains, denies existing such things on its forum????

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I would have to agree with KVN
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2007, 02:29:30 AM »
Concerned

Please do not post in someone elses thread, if you have any concerns about your ongoing symtoms or have any questions then please start a thread of your own...and please read the Welcome Thread....I understand this is your first post and you may not know how things work so no harm done...thank you for your cooperation.

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Offline concernedabtit

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I would have to agree with KVN
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2007, 03:11:50 AM »
Im very well behaved and If its not allowed to post in it by the rules, I wont be posting, but before posting into someone's thread I thought, that by today it was always considered, that forums are open to anyones opinion and discussions???
I thought that was the whole idea of the forums, you get on the forum's threads and take part in discussions. Or this forum was designated in some different way or for expressions of moderators thoughts only and their own ideas?

Sorry if I was too frank with you

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I would have to agree with KVN
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2007, 03:27:37 AM »
Actually, the rules for this forum, the AM I INFECTED forum is quite different from the other forums.

In this forum, to keep the distribution of information as accurate as first-tiered peer-reviewed science can allow, only certain members and moderators are allowed to dispense advise and deliver assessments. You probably know this already, having read the welcome threads which clearly stipulate this. It is by doing so that AIDSMEDS remains a site of great reputation insofar as HIV information is concerned.

This particular forum is not a discussion forum. It is a risk assessment forum which helps to clarify the rather well-researched and thorough LESSONS section. It is also done as a service to the worried well, as this site was intended for use by and for HIV Positive persons and their loved ones/caregivers.

You do not have HIV. Neither of you do. Your trust of the ELISA test notwithstanding (and if you seriously distrust the tests, why come to a site which uses them as a gold standard for serodetection?) you could always, I suppose, shell out the money for a Western Blot, a Viral Load, a PCR, and the assorted other HIV diagnostic tools available.

But according to the most advanced HIv detection methodology, you are both reliably HIV negative. And that is what this forum is about.

I am sorry if you thought that this was an open forum for opinions and discussion. It most assuredly is not. The advise given by those allowed to do so is based on, and backed up by, solid first-tiered peer-reviewed scientific evidence collected over decades. It is meant to add another dimension to the HIV education available as a courtesy on this site, in the "LESSONS" section.

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Re: I would have to agree with KVN
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2007, 09:06:15 AM »
Concerned,

I've removed your posts (and the replies you got) from the thread you posted in and created a thread just for you. Please keep all your additional questions or comments in this thread and this thread ONLY. That's how things work in this forum and if you do not abide by our posting guidelines, you may find yourself banned from this website.

Make sure you read the Welcome Thread and read the posting guidelines, along with the Lessons found there. I don't want to have to tell you this again.

If you have tested hiv negative three or more months after your sex worker encounter, then what ever is causing your problems is NOT hiv. Keep working with your doctor to find out what is actually going on.

Ann
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Offline concernedabtit

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(A Guide to Testing for HIV)
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Aren't there two different kinds of HIV? How do I know what I should be tested for?


The two known types of HIV are HIV-1 and HIV-2. In the United States and Europe, the overwhelming majority of HIV cases involve HIV-1. HIV-2 infections are predominantly found in West African nations. The first case of HIV-2 was discovered in the United States in 1987. Since then only 79 people with HIV-2 infections have been identified in the United States. While the CDC does not recommend routine screening for HIV-2, when someone tests for HIV-1 using ELISA/Western blot tests, there is a 60% to 90% chance that HIV-2 will be detected if it is present.

Not every test will automatically include testing for HIV-2. Anyone who thinks there's a possibility they have been exposed to HIV-2 and/or any of HIV's more rare subtypes should mention this when being tested. Among those for whom HIV-2 testing is indicated are those with sex partners from a country where HIV-2 is prevalent or people with an illness that indicate underlying HIV infection, such as an opportunistic infection, but whose HIV-1 test result was negative.


Please explain me, how I can be tested for one of themsubtypes as it says in your guide.
Please

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I found it in your guidelines for HIV testing

http://www.aidsmeds.com/articles/HIVtests_4718.shtml

Offline RapidRod

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You don't have to worry about testing for subtypes.

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con,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. This is the second time the posting guidelines have had to be pointed out to you. Please read them this time and abide by them in future. This is the LAST time I will warn you about this. Thank you for your cooperation.

If you live in a modern, westernised country, you can bet the testing centers know what, if any, types or subtypes of hiv are prevalent in their area and they will test for them.

As you have been previously told, as long as you tested three months or more after your encounter with the sex worker, you ARE hiv negative. If your encounter took place while you were wearing a condom, then you didn't need testing in the first place as condoms have been proven to prevent hiv infection.

You claim to be experiencing symptoms of dementia and if these symptoms really are dementia related, then you're wasting your time chasing after hiv when you should be asking for a referral to a neurologist to get to the bottom of your problems.

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Offline concernedabtit

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Ann,

No its not as simple as that, just sex with condom. The condom broke and the lady was in her periods.

a few days after that I fell sick and a year onwards once again and later again.
Therefore I was wondering about the info about subtypes on your forum. Yes, I live in London, but it full of people from all over the world, also from Africa, so what prevelance they can take into consideration.

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Concerned,

UK GUM clinics usually test for both hiv 1&2 and that's all you need. If you've already tested negative at three months past your encounter, then you ARE hiv negative. And yes, it really is that simple. It doesn't matter that she was on her period. If you've tested negative at the appropriate time, you ARE hiv negative.

See your doctor about your physical concerns. You're chasing something you don't have and could be missing something important as a result.

And just so you're aware, in case you still haven't read the posting guidelines, you will not be allowed to use this forum to repeatedly question a conclusive negative result.

If you haven't already had your conclusive negative, go test and get that confirmation.

Oh, and while you're here, make sure you click on and read through the three condom and lube links in my signature line. A correctly used condom rarely breaks.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Offline concernedabtit

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Why would U place that info, dear Ann???

What is it for?

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Why would U place that info, dear Ann???

What is it for?

Con,

What info, where? You need to give us a clue what you're talking about. I'm not a mind reader and my crystal ball is in the shop for repairs.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Offline concernedabtit

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I meant those lessons on this site, which also  PUT INTO DOUBTS the ELISA test

Please understand Im not lying thers really something strange is going on with me and who knows as HIV was never known before 1980 and there could be something new
Am I Infected?
(A Guide to Testing for HIV)
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What about subtypes of HIV?


Thus far, 11 distinct subtypes, also known as "clades" or "genotypes," have been recognized of HIV-1. More than 96% of the HIV-1 infections in the United States and Europe are caused by subtype B. Subtypes B and F predominate in South America and Asia. Subtypes A through H of HIV-1 are found in Africa, along with HIV-2 in sub-Saharan Africa.

The ELISA/Western blot tests can detect antibodies to all HIV-1 subtypes. Viral load tests can also detect and quantify subtypes of HIV-1. The viral load tests can also detect and quantify HIV-2.

Aren't there two different kinds of HIV? How do I know what I should be tested for?


The two known types of HIV are HIV-1 and HIV-2. In the United States and Europe, the overwhelming majority of HIV cases involve HIV-1. HIV-2 infections are predominantly found in West African nations. The first case of HIV-2 was discovered in the United States in 1987. Since then only 79 people with HIV-2 infections have been identified in the United States. While the CDC does not recommend routine screening for HIV-2, when someone tests for HIV-1 using ELISA/Western blot tests, there is a 60% to 90% chance that HIV-2 will be detected if it is present.

Not every test will automatically include testing for HIV-2. Anyone who thinks there's a possibility they have been exposed to HIV-2 and/or any of HIV's more rare subtypes should mention this when being tested. Among those for whom HIV-2 testing is indicated are those with sex partners from a country where HIV-2 is prevalent or people with an illness that indicate underlying HIV infection, such as an opportunistic infection, but whose HIV-1 test result was negative.




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concernedabtit, the only one that is having doubts about the reliablity of testing is YOU. ELISA tests don't look for subtypes they look for antibodies. So stop your worrying about subtypes.   

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con,

I don't for a minute think you are lying to us - something strange may well be going on with you. However, whatever that strange thing is, it isn't hiv assuming you've tested negative at or after three months.

You need to keep working with your doctor to find out what is going on with you. If you feel there is neurological involvement, then perhaps a scan is in order.

You still haven't told us your testing history, but as long as you have tested negative at three months or more past your condom break incident, then you ARE hiv negative. You were never likely to become infected from a one-time condom break anyway, menstrual blood present or not.

Ann
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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Testing history is that I tested negative 3-4 times after 6,12 and 18 months, but still had lymphonodes enlargd for a few days and had those stange things ( very strange ) going on with my brain and startd sweating a lot.
I dont understand why it says on this web site in the guidelines to speak to the health provider if you think you may have been exposed to other subtypes???? Why?
Im not scared about being infected, but something really and really strange could be present in my body

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You have had a reliable HIV negative result. You need to look somewhere else for answers to your signs or symtpoms. They have nothing to do with HIV.

Offline concernedabtit

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Maybe U right Rod, just feel ocassionally not well and the symptoms are very unusual,especially that brain fog, occured twice, once after the sexual contact with blood and then 1,5 year after it.

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But, Rod, why would U place those guidelines about the subtypes and HIV2

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con,

Those guidelines are in place for someone who (for example) went to Western Africa and had unprotected intercourse with someone who lives there and subsequently comes down with a serious illness such as PCP. They do NOT apply to most people.

Besides, as the Lessons point out, for hiv type 1, the subtypes are all detected with the standard ELISAs anyway. Type 2 is EXTREMELY rare and not only that, but it is much more difficult to transmit that hiv 1 is, and hiv 1 is not easy to transmit.

It would be very unusual for you to be infected after a one-time condom break. Your test results more than prove you have not been infected. Please take your concerns to your doctor as we cannot diagnose you here. All we CAN do is tell you that you have absolutely, conclusively ruled hiv out of the picture. You do NOT have hiv.

Make sure you read the posting guidelines found in the Welcome Thread and pay particular attention to this one:

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You ARE hiv negative and it's time you concentrated on what the real cause of your problems are - what ever is going on with you has nothing to do with hiv.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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I read that rule of the forum so far. Sorry for being persistant, if you dont want to speak to me, I will stop it.

But the only thing I can say, that I have been to the doctors, but due to the youth of infection(not a lot is known about it and not many doctors know about it) and thanks to their non professionalism of the health care providers ( the doctor said to me he knows, that the ELISA test is the the only test to be used) and also negligence I cant get a proper examination. I know its hard to transmit, but still possible and the existance of it in London and Europe is a very easy reality with all those refugees coming from all over the world.
The only thing I was gonna ask you what u meant
Not every test will automatically include testing for HIV-2. Anyone who thinks there's a possibility they have been exposed to HIV-2 and/or any of HIV's more rare subtypes should mention this when being tested. Among those for whom HIV-2 testing is indicated are those with sex partners from a country where HIV-2 is prevalent or people with an illness that indicate underlying HIV infection, such as an opportunistic infection, but whose HIV-1 test result was negative.
As I told him already that, he said there were no more tests available, but like I said before: youth of infection, negligence of the health providers and non professionalims contributed to it and also the out of dated guidelines from the main sources informing about the HIV (researchers, institutes) and maybe late statistics.
Do you think I would be here for such a long time, just being scared and feeling well?
No, and it started after the contact and then everything was fine, but then year and few month I had dimentia again.

I dont know what should I do, or simply wait for the start of the opportunistic infections??? To have a proper clynical symptomps
 

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Con,

There are many doctors in this world, not just one. If you feel your doctor isn't listening to you, then please get a second opinion. Make sure you explain to the new doctor about your dementia symptoms.

However, there is nothing more we can do for you here. Your hiv test results are negative, that means you are hiv negative.

I'm giving you that time out I warned you about. Please use this time to pursue other causes to your symptoms. You have already ruled hiv out.

Do not create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be permanently banned, no questions asked.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


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