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Offline milker

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Total tops get HIV too
« on: September 21, 2007, 12:56:21 AM »
My total top old fuck bud told me he tested positive.

I know him and I know he's never been fucked or even sucked dick.

Tonight I had an argument with a total top that tried to fucked me, I told him I was positive and he told me that being a total top there was no risk.

Another one in the statistics.

How can we convince total tops that yes, then can get hiv positive by fucking bottoms raw?

Milker.
mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2007, 01:56:41 AM »
I was top as well I don't think people realise how common it is.
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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2007, 02:48:35 AM »
That's the way most heterosexual males are infected.
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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2007, 06:45:54 AM »


Tonight I had an argument with a total top that tried to fucked me, I told him I was positive and he told me that being a total top there was no risk.




If you have unprotected sex with him then there is no way to convince him, or a need for him to be convinced.


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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2007, 06:50:29 AM »
i just got back from a trip w/ a friend whoz a 'total top'. and hez well shall we say 'hyper sexual'. "i dont do rubbers" he argues. i mean bathouses, bathrooms, parks u name it. when i tested he finally did after me berating him and it was neg. im amazed @ the number of bottoms that want to have unsafe sex.  hez acting like it was a license to fuck what he wants. now any discussion of safe sex turn in2 an argument. i mean the numbers have 2 catch up w/ u eventually.

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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2007, 07:28:16 AM »
How can anyone be under the impression they are immune to the virus if they're immune? And Cerrid's definitely right, how do these tops believe the straight males get it? Milker, do you know if your friend has other STIs as well? Just curious because if he does, that would increase his chances of getting HIV.
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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2007, 07:44:35 AM »
I would imagine that these "immune" tops think all positive straight guys became infected by being secret bottom bunnies. It seems to be the perception of society in general. "He's got aids, he MUST be gay!"

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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2007, 07:46:34 AM »
How can we convince total tops that yes, then can get hiv positive by fucking bottoms raw?

How can we?

Fuck that. The question is 'why should we?' Who gives a shit if these self absorbed sociopaths get AIDS?

I certainly don't. If you're living in the developed world and you think you can't catch HIV from topping a fag then, quite frankly, you deserve PML.

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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2007, 08:19:54 AM »
You can give people information but you can't control their behavior. Everyone knows smoking cigarettes is bad for your health; it is written ON the box of cigarettes. Yet people smoke. Everyone knows overeating and not exercising is bad for you; there is huge social stigma against fat people. Yet there are more obese people walking around every day. People don't always behave in ways that are best for their health, even when they know better.

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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2007, 09:31:26 AM »
I am not trying to be disrespectful, but I am curious as to why you continue to start multiple variations on disclosing threads? I occasionally read your posts and you seem fairly well versed on HIV, transmission, etc. etc. You often jump in and try to answer this question when others post a similar thread about risk and disclosing. Exactly what about this topic confuses you?  Is there something I am missing?

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=14291.msg177703#msg177703

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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2007, 09:52:12 AM »
You can give people information but you can't control their behavior. Everyone knows smoking cigarettes is bad for your health; it is written ON the box of cigarettes. Yet people smoke. Everyone knows overeating and not exercising is bad for you; there is huge social stigma against fat people. Yet there are more obese people walking around every day. People don't always behave in ways that are best for their health, even when they know better.

Top or bottom, it is hard to imagine anyone in this country not knowing how HIV is contracted, but yet unsafe sex continues to occur.  In 2007 there is absolutely no reason anyone should become HIV+ due to consensual sex.  Unfortunately, there are many, and I include myself, that for some dumbass reason chose or choose not to use condoms.  I would never play Russian Roulette, except I did that one night at the Hyatt Regency, with someone I met online.  HIV was never discussed nor was the use of condoms.  Now a few years later I realize that that gun chamber actually contained the bullet.  I allowed myself to become infected with a totally preventable virus.  The mystery of course is not how, but why.  And why after 25 plus years this behavior continues.

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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2007, 10:05:34 AM »
If you're living in the developed world and you think you can't catch HIV from topping a fag then, quite frankly, you deserve PML.

MtD

I'd have to concur.  Really, this is all a simple case of utter denial.  They need therapy or something.  I'm quite sure for many there are larger issues involved.

Anyway, I'd wager half the queens who claim to be "total tops" are not at a 100% rate.  I mean it's one of the larger urban myths, and I simply assume most people make shit up.
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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2007, 10:42:54 AM »
I am not trying to be disrespectful, but I am curious as to why you continue to start multiple variations on disclosing threads? I occasionally read your posts and you seem fairly well versed on HIV, transmission, etc. etc. You often jump in and try to answer this question when others post a similar thread about risk and disclosing. Exactly what about this topic confuses you?  Is there something I am missing?

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=14291.msg177703#msg177703
Hi,

this is not a disclosing thread. As you can see I disclosed, and refused that he tops me. I'm fine with disclosure now, and actually meeting other people at AMG reinforced my confidence in being who I am and not be ashamed of being HIV.

Milker.
mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2007, 10:52:39 AM »

... not be ashamed of being HIV.

Milker.

You're hiv? And here all this time I thought hiv was a virus. Now I know it's some French guy living in the States. ;D

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« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2007, 10:53:56 AM »
You're hiv? And here all this time I thought hiv was a virus. Now I know it's some French guy living in the States. ;D

Ann

I feel a hijack coming ! :D

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mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
may 27 10: cd4 655 (32%) vl undetectable :D :D

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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2007, 10:55:56 AM »
... more jokes about the French

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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2007, 10:58:16 AM »
...In 2007 there is absolutely no reason anyone should become HIV+ due to consensual sex.  Unfortunately, there are many, and I include myself, that for some dumbass reason chose or choose not to use condoms...

Woods

To the best of my knowledge, my infection had nothing to do with condoms, or the lack thereof.  Certainly not in the anal context.

Oh, and someone has to tell me where all these "total tops" are hiding ;)
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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2007, 11:00:54 AM »

Oh, and someone has to tell me where all these "total tops" are hiding ;)

They're generally found up in a leather sling at your local sex club, jacked up on crank, getting fisted by a nelly bottom from France.
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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2007, 11:02:55 AM »
Top or bottom, it is hard to imagine anyone in this country not knowing how HIV is contracted, but yet unsafe sex continues to occur.  In 2007 there is absolutely no reason anyone should become HIV+ due to consensual sex.  Unfortunately, there are many, and I include myself, that for some dumbass reason chose or choose not to use condoms.  I would never play Russian Roulette, except I did that one night at the Hyatt Regency, with someone I met online.  HIV was never discussed nor was the use of condoms.  Now a few years later I realize that that gun chamber actually contained the bullet.  I allowed myself to become infected with a totally preventable virus.  The mystery of course is not how, but why.  And why after 25 plus years this behavior continues.

Woods
But your action was not "chronic". Those total tops think in some way that they can't get infected. Beats me. I knew very well my risks. Maybe I should have a conversation beyond the bed with my ex fuckbud, who by the way disappeared after I told him I tested positive, and reappeared two days ago to give me the news, and seems to continue his fuck fest like nothing happened, by the way.
mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
may 27 10: cd4 655 (32%) vl undetectable :D :D

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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2007, 11:03:46 AM »
They're generally found up in a leather sling at your local sex club, jacked up on crank, getting fisted by a nelly bottom from France.
ROFL
mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
may 27 10: cd4 655 (32%) vl undetectable :D :D

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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2007, 11:06:00 AM »
Hi,

this is not a disclosing thread. As you can see I disclosed, and refused that he tops me. I'm fine with disclosure now, and actually meeting other people at AMG reinforced my confidence in being who I am and not be ashamed of being HIV.

Milker.

It is just another variation on that theme and just like you knowing with complete certainty the sexual history of your friend, I can predict with accuracy just how you would respond to this question if it was asked by someone else.

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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2007, 11:09:58 AM »
It is just another variation on that theme and just like you knowing with complete certainty the sexual history of your friend, I can predict with accuracy just how you would respond to this question if it was asked by someone else.
I'm not sure we're on the same page here. I'm asking how we can convince them that they're not invicible. I don't have an answer to this question, nor I have an answer on how someone could have prevented my actions that led me to be infected. Nothing to do with disclosure.

Milker.
mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
may 27 10: cd4 655 (32%) vl undetectable :D :D

Now accepting applications from blowjob ninjas™

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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2007, 12:30:50 PM »
To the best of my knowledge, my infection had nothing to do with condoms, or the lack thereof.  Certainly not in the anal context.

Because there are other ways to become infected that is why I specifically directed my comment to consensual unprotected sex.  Properly using condoms prevents HIV infection, not using them guarantees your are exposing yourself to the possibility of becoming infected.  Continuing not to use condoms will guarantee you will become infected.

But your action was not "chronic".

Does it really matter whether it was a chronic action or not.  All it takes is one or two times and the deed is done.  Is it really worth the risk to take a load up your ass or shoot a load up someone's ass.  As a strictly btm guy, I can really tell no difference.  (comments regarding sensitivity not needed.... :))
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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2007, 02:19:33 PM »
I am Total Top and I think I got it orally. Weird but I guess true.
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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2007, 02:23:32 PM »
I am Total Top and I think I got it orally. Weird but I guess true.


I rest my case Milker.

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« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2007, 02:49:14 PM »
I am Total Top and I think I got it orally. Weird but I guess true.

I rest my case Milker.

 :) :) :) :) :)

I'm asking how we can convince them that they're not invicible. I don't have an answer to this question, nor I have an answer on how someone could have prevented my actions that led me to be infected.

Milker, simply put we can't.  I go back to this, in 2007 the only way to become infected through consensual sex is by not using condoms.  The facts are there, if one chooses to ignore them, there is nothing that can be done.  How many of us on here who became infected in the past 10 years or so did not know how to prevent becoming HIV+.  I am a college graduate, I remember the first story I saw on Nightline in the 80's regarding AIDS, I was politically active, did workshops for teens on AIDS, yada, yada, yada, but I am now HIV+.  In my case it was a total disregard for what I knew and total disrespect for me as a person.  I am not angry or upset it is just the fact.  And no matter how much you or I try to convince people it can happen to them through unprotected sex, we cannot be there to put the condom on their dick.
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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2007, 04:08:46 PM »
Milker, I don't know that you can "convince" some. All you can do is decide whether you are willing to participate in unprotected sex with those dumbbells or not.
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« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2007, 04:23:45 PM »
How many of us on here who became infected in the past 10 years or so did not know how to prevent becoming HIV+.  I am a college graduate, I remember the first story I saw on Nightline in the 80's regarding AIDS, I was politically active, did workshops for teens on AIDS, yada, yada, yada, but I am now HIV+.  In my case it was a total disregard for what I knew and total disrespect for me as a person.

AMEN.  Sometimes no matter how many times we are told that the stove is HOT HOT HOT...we still got to be burned to understand what HOT means ...one of the serious faults with being a human I guess

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« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2007, 06:19:04 PM »
Brave words Iggy!!!

I think most of us knew how to get infected and what to do to reduce risks. Even some of us (me included) were counsellors or participated in prevention campaigns in the past.

We received information and education and we were prepared to know the risk and to handle it.

So, what happened to us?

It happened that we are simply human beings.

It happenned that we drink, smoke, sniff or just simply get hot... We fall in love, or even we feel in one particular day or night the bravest man/woman in the world.

Sometimes we simply trusted someone else, and wanted to feel, to try...

Sometimes it is just that risk is too exciting... and we feel special, strong, and take the challenge... because we "know" that it would be almost impossible this to happen only for one single time walking on the wild side... and so we feel powerful.

Sometimes we just put together too many of those single times.

Sometimes we just got fed of thinking about the risks.

Maybe it is that we do not love ourselves as much as we should do...

Or simply that we are not good girls or boys, and didn't do what we were suppossed to do.

That's all.

There's much more behind this than just wearing or not a condom.

And I think that we must assume that until prevention strategies are reviewed under this focus, current ones will keep failing for a part of the population.

We gay men tend to consider barebacking as a mad thing, but the fact is that the most of heterosexual people do bareback and just see it as the normal and accepted way of having sex. Heterosexuals are now the big part in the amount of new cases, and they don't feel guilty about the risk. They just feel powerful. HIV has nothing to do with them. Just the same for our theoretically 100% top friends.

This shows how complex this is going to be.

I don't like to consider people not using condoms, or not always using condoms as "guilty" or "responsible for this or that" or simply as "foolish people" or "mad people". We all have autonomy and freedom to stop or to do the things in a safe way for us and the others. But this point is very personal, intimate for everyone.

So, what we just can do is to provide information and resources, to bring our own experience as well to people, in order they could take their choices. And also we should be prepared to assume the complexity of choices people will take. It is just a matter of values, and each person has different ones.

Hugs ;-)



love is blindness...  a wonderful song!

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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2007, 06:53:15 PM »
It is strange ... I've found several tops who had that same invincible attitude; I think there really is a sense that "true" tops don't get HIV and that they must have bottomed if they test poz.   I insist on condoms and then get told I'm a pushy bottom <grin>.   LOL

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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2007, 06:57:22 PM »
Well earlier today I was chatting with someone whose friend just found out is positive, is a bottom and is celebrating tomorrow with a gang bang, stating that as long as he doesn't shoot in a neggie then everybody else will be fine. <sigh>

Milker.
mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
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apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2007, 07:20:19 PM »
I'm asking how we can convince them that they're not invicible.
Milker.

The answer to this question is you can't. If someone ignores an issue when there are facts to back it up, then its because they choose to ignore or just don't care....

You can't convince someone who thinks hes invincible that he is not until he either A. grows up B.gets infected or C.both a and b

-josh
(who is stubborn and understands how people can be so crazy) :-*
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Diagnosed: 11/2006

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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2007, 07:33:33 PM »
Well earlier today I was chatting with someone whose friend just found out is positive, is a bottom and is celebrating tomorrow with a gang bang, stating that as long as he doesn't shoot in a neggie then everybody else will be fine. <sigh>

Milker.

You really seem to be attracting a stellar cast of friends down there in San Diego, sweet pea.
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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2007, 07:35:55 PM »
You really seem to be attracting a stellar cast of friends down there in San Diego, sweet pea.
It's the sun, baby.
mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
may 27 10: cd4 655 (32%) vl undetectable :D :D

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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2007, 08:03:57 PM »
 :( :( :( you guys get all the fun  :( :( :(
Infected Probably: may 2005
Diagnosed: 11/2006

11/28/2006 CD4:309 / VL: 1907 No meds yet
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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2007, 07:25:24 PM »
Hello all,

I was a total top also (Gay Male) and I also thought that I could not catch HIV in being so, Who would have thought that at age 40 after 20+ years of being a top(Gay Male) that I would be told that in late 1999, I was HIV positive, For the last 8 years I have elt like I was dead inside, and although I am ready to leave this earth when god calls me home, I leave with no regrets for being who I am.Nor am I ashamed.

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Re: Total tops get HIV too
« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2007, 08:14:17 PM »
It is strange ... I've found several tops who had that same invincible attitude; I think there really is a sense that "true" tops don't get HIV and that they must have bottomed if they test poz.   

I knew someone who believed that.  When I'm in Palos Verde, I leave a red rose on his grave.  Have the best day
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