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Offline tissot3

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What could happenen?
« on: September 11, 2007, 08:12:03 PM »
I am completely paranoid.
First, Thank you for your work, it's really helpful...
I met a guy  10 days ago (I was drunk)... He invited me to the "party". In the taxi he started to rub me pulled out my penis and put it in his mouth for 4-5 sec. I realised it was inaproppriate and stopped him; My penis was in his mouth for some time, though...
Ultimately, he'd stolen my wallet and disappeared, but that's another story. What I concerned is how dangerous my exposure was and what should I do now. I am having night sweats, sore throat and a bunch of other things. Life has stopped for me, a productive one, at least.
Thanks for your help.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2007, 07:54:36 AM by tissot3 »

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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2007, 08:27:44 PM »
Tiss,

Fear not my friend. You may have lost your wallet that night, but you certainly did not contract HIV. HIV cannot be transmitted by copping a blowjob. You do not need to test as a result of this encounter.

Please read our Welcome Thread and follow the links to our Lessons to learn more about how HIV is and is not transmitted.

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Re: What could happened to me?
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2007, 09:08:37 PM »
In the entire history of the epidemic there has never been a confirmed case of HIV transmission via a guy getting a blowjob.

It's safe to say that you will not make history by becoming the first.

If your symptoms persist you should discuss them with your doctor.

This is absolutely not in any way an HIV situation.

Cheers,
Andy Velez

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Re: What could happened to me?
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2007, 10:58:31 PM »
Thank you, Matty and Andy for your kind words. May be my symptoms just come from stress and guilt? The guy was definitely a pro pickpocket. I hope you are right about this "encounter" and I will just take it as another lesson in life... His ways, however do bring me to the point where i think I might worry for the outcome as he was a thief...


Thanks in advance for your kind response.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2007, 08:10:52 AM by tissot3 »

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Re: What could happenen?
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2007, 08:09:16 AM »
I am probably overreacting... I however already made a suicide attempt, spent 3 days in hospital so things are serious for me. Thank god for the sites like yours which ease some worries...
My exposure is interesting from a number of points:
1) if bj is not contagious in these circumstances, would it be an equivalent of someone moisturing your penis with his saliva ? Probably not equivalent of deep kissing since both recipient has saliva in this case.
But in the case of receptive bj, is there any recearch pointing out to a hypersensitivity of genital areas to hiv virus? In other words, virus would easier to get if the point of entry was genitals area then , say, any other?
Again, why most of the sites list bj (especially insertive) as potential risk?
SF city clinic site (and they should know!) does not even list this type of exposure as a theoretical risk...

Thanks in advance for your kind responce.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2007, 08:12:22 AM by tissot3 »

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Re: What could happenen?
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2007, 08:11:32 AM »
Unprotect anal and vaginal sex or sharing works with IV drug users is the only thing you have to be concern about in relation to contracting HIV.

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Re: What could happenen?
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2007, 08:29:59 AM »
If you keep on surfing the net you will surely find misinformation to feed every one of your unfounded fears and then some. It's not our responsibility to explain why some of them give you incorrect info.

What we tell you here is the real deal and you can take it or leave it. Getting a blowjob is not a risk to the guy getting it and only a very low to nil risk to to the one giving it.

Since you say you attempted suicide I hope you are working in an ongoing way with a therapist or other professional. You have no cause to be concerned about HIV at this point but I would think there are other issues that it would be helpful for you to get support with. We cannot fill that need for you here.

Cheers,
Andy Velez

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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2007, 08:36:33 AM »
I however already made a suicide attempt, spent 3 days in hospital so things are serious for me.

Tiss,

I want to thank Brother Andy for spotting this issue.

If you're that unhappy that you need to harm yourself then you should keep working with your mental health team. Clearly your problems far exceed what we can manage here.

MtD

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Re: What could happenen?
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2007, 08:59:03 AM »
Andy, I understand. Of course i have other issues (phsychological) for which you are not responsible. I am working on them.  Suicide was a stupidest thing-nobody should attempt to solve anything this way.
At this point I am more interested in biological side of it. Why insertive oral is not a big risk for hiv (I know std still a risk). BTW, how spread oral is? I don't really know from my limited experience-if anybody can comment, this would be great.
The fact that the risk for  transmission (oral) cannot be established after 26 years of research seems to be strange at best.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2007, 09:02:31 AM by tissot3 »

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Re: What could happenen?
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2007, 09:53:58 AM »
tiss,

Not only is saliva not infectious, it also contains over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv and render it unable to infect. Not one person has EVER become infected through getting a blowjob and it's safe to say you won't be the first.

The fact that oral transmission is not a concern has already been established. There have been long-term studies of couples where one is positive and one is negative. In the couples who used condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, but no barrier for oral activities, not one of the negative partners became infected with hiv. Not one.

You did NOT have a risk of hiv infection when you got a blowjob. No way, no how.

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Re: What could happenen?
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2007, 10:42:08 AM »
Thank you, Ann;
Off the topic, how widespread is oral? Anybody could take a guess? If it's common enough it would certainly be identifiable as a risk somehow in so many years.

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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2007, 10:48:27 AM »
tiss,

Oral sex is VERY common. If it were a real concern in relation to hiv, yes, we'd know about it by now. Everything we know so far, from the mechanics of hiv transmission on a cellular level to the results of several large studies between poz/neg couples, points to oral not being a concern.

And as I said, where GETTING a blowjob is concerned, it is absolutely NOT a risk for hiv infection. Never has been, never will be. You can have your willy sucked all you like and it will NOT result in hiv infection.

Ann
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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: What could happenen?
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2007, 07:03:55 PM »
Blow job... That was more like a rape... I was practically passing out (to my shame now). Anyway, it lasted 4-5 sec not more(may be even less) until I realised what was going on and pushed him off. Does duration count?
BTW, forgive me my emotions... I really feel violated here even though the whole situation was created by me and nobody else.
Thanks in advance...
« Last Edit: September 12, 2007, 07:26:57 PM by tissot3 »

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Re: What could happenen?
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2007, 07:47:42 PM »
You didn't have a risk. Period..

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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2007, 05:36:36 AM »
tiss,

Regardless of how you feel about the blowjob you got, it did not put you in any danger whatsoever of becoming hiv positive.

It sounds as though you would benefit talking this over with a qualified counselor. Sorry, but we cannot help you with your feelings of violation here. This is an hiv website and all we can do is reassure you that you were NOT at risk for hiv in this situation.

Ann
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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2007, 10:06:53 PM »
Thanks You, All. I wish you all the best with your noble work.

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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2007, 08:42:28 AM »
So, if I understand you correctly, this was just an exposure to saliva as if in case of someone wet my penis with his saliva, since it lasted for 5 sec? Or in case of in-mouth penetration it is more complicated?

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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2007, 09:13:41 AM »
Tiss,

A blowjob is a blowjob is a blowjob. You are not going to become infected with hiv when someone puts your penis in their mouth, whether for five seconds or five hours. Getting a blowjob is not a risk for hiv infection.

I would again like to suggest you seek counseling in order to learn how to cope with this experience. We cannot help you with that here.

You did not have a risk for hiv infection.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2007, 01:46:07 PM »
Thanks, Ann. One more question: Can an asymptomatic genital herpes (last outbreak was months ago) increase hiv transmission in theory?
Thanks in advance

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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2007, 02:04:25 PM »
Tiss,

Asymptomatic herpes does not increase your risk. You had no risk and a non-existant risk can't be increased. 0 X any number = 0

If you'd read the posting guidelines found in the Welcome Thread, you will have read this:

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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

Please consider yourself warned - you're heading for a time out.

We cannot help you come to terms with your experience. You must see someone face to face for some support and guidance with this issue.

You did not have a risk for hiv infection. There's nothing more we can do for you here.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2007, 02:57:46 PM »
Have you ever recall being incorrect with your assessment of risks? I could imagine a guy told that insertive oral is no risk taking a test 3 month later and .... Or any other exposures? Have you ever?

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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2007, 03:19:16 PM »
Tiss,

I'm going to give you that time out I warned you about. I've noticed you're here every day, reading and obsessing over your no risk incident.

We cannot help you with your feelings over what happened. You'll have to see someone face-to-face for that and the purpose of your time out is to encourage you to do so.

Do not attempt to create a new account to get around your time out, because if you do, you will be permanently banned from this website.

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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2009, 04:40:29 PM »
Thanks for your help in advance.
I have met someone who I though was a girl but when we started to have sex I realised she was a shemale. Anyway, I later found out she works for escort service.
I had protected insertive  anal, used a latex condom, she was very tight so I withdrew after a couple of minutes.The condom was intact. I used what I guess is called frottage, i.e, rubbing my penis between her legs. It could have touched her anus but I am sure there was no penetration. There it nded. I did not see ny abrasions on penis although it was very red;) and hurting.
Did I have any exposure to hiv or any other std? Do i need testing?
Thanks again

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« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2009, 04:43:14 PM »
An important detail.. frottge was already without a condom.

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« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2009, 04:43:34 PM »
You were never at risk of contracting HIV in the situation you've provided.

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« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2009, 04:45:40 PM »
Thanks RapidRod.
What about other std?

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« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2009, 04:56:37 PM »
tiss,

If you're worried about other STIs, you'll have to see a doctor. This is an hiv website.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2009, 04:59:06 PM »
Ann, I am not really worried... But thank you all for your fine job.

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« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2009, 04:35:49 PM »
One question. I've read that concentration ov hiv in rectal secretions are higher than in blood. This is new information, I believe, even CDC does not mention anus serretions as hiv source, only vaginal. So how can a frottage (rubbing penis against anus area) be without risk? Especially after anal sex, when there could be presence of secretions ?
Thanks in advance

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« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2009, 04:53:30 PM »
No unprotected penetration, NO RISK.

 


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