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Author Topic: Are there any conservatives here?  (Read 14350 times)

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Offline Dachshund

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2007, 09:04:36 AM »
To make myself clear I said I personally believe MOST conservatives/republicans are racist. I arrive at this belief through personal experiences and stand by my statement.   
« Last Edit: August 20, 2007, 09:09:18 AM by Dachshund »

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2007, 09:38:30 AM »
There have been a number of thoughtful and restrained comments entered here. This  subject is one that has all the potential in the world to go ballistic. So far it hasn't although it's teetered a few times at the edge. I'm grateful for the restraint members have shown as well as the attempts made to express positions in a thoughtful manner. 

Grinch, I think Dachs has clarified his position hopefully sufficiently to satisfy you. Let's not go over that edge on this one.




 
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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #52 on: August 20, 2007, 10:56:30 AM »
Andy,
In other threads it has been stated that ALL conservatives are racist and homophobic.  I have repeatedly requested that this generalization be stopped.  If I were to make the statement that most homosexuals are pedophiles I would be instantly censured.  What is the difference?  Both statements are wrong.  Both statements are hurtful.

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #53 on: August 20, 2007, 10:10:03 PM »
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p.s. after reading the "joke" you posted the other day Molten you are in no position to discuss racism or reverse racism with anyone.

You will notice, sir, that I apologized for that remark as I did not mean it to be taken offensively. That is the only dignity I will give your comment, sir.
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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #54 on: August 20, 2007, 10:17:24 PM »
Settle down girls.....


I agree with Andy, this has the ability to start a war (ha ha, it already did)


What is that quote "you can judge a society by how it treats its poor and animals" or something like that.  I agree with that...call it what you want.

Pete

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #55 on: August 21, 2007, 11:07:54 PM »
I also heard a saying once that made a lot of sense. "Scratch a Republican, and you'll find a Conservative. Scratch a Conservative, and you'll find a Racist." I have yet to see that statement falsified in my personal experience. I'm not saying it's completely true. I'm just saying I haven't seen it disproven.

This has been my experience as well. Both of my parents are (still) profoundly conservative on both social and fiscal issues. They were both unashamed racists until well into the 1970s, when they learned to disguise their hate in an attempt to better their social positions. And without a doubt, the biggest homophobe I ever met growing up was my mother.

Of my grandparents, each side was a mix of conservative and progressive. My father's father and my mother's mother were both extreme, John Birch-type conservatives, much to the embarrassment of their spouses. The first time I'd ever heard the "n" word was from my paternal grandfather, and my maternal grandmother was violently anti-feminist (odd, considering she was a high-living flapper in the 20s) and a staunch anti-unionist (odder, as her husband owed everything to his union). My maternal grandfather (the union man) was old-school, but very much a democrat. My paternal grandmother was a pure Kennedy-style New Dealer/60s liberal and wouldn't tolerate racist attitudes voiced in her presence (by anyone except her husband, who was a bitter old drunk anyway).

My dad's second wife is the very picture of conservative morality and Republican virtue. They both attend a low-service Episcopalian church in Palm Beach and claim to be very devout. But a meaner old bitch never walked the planet, for many reasons. My sister was barred from visiting them for many years because her African-American partner was told she was unwelcome in very direct and explicit language.

With such role models as these, is it any wonder my perception of conservatives as unabashed racists comes from such an instinctual place?

One more anecdote:
In my early 20s, i worked for a menswear chain in a store in downtown Boston, on Washington Street across from Filene's Basement. Anyone who has ever been there will know immediately that the majority of the shoppers are people of color. It is at the intersection of most of the major subway lines but there is virtually no parking in the area. The general manager was an odious man who referred to both me and the assistant manager as such things as "bleeding-heart liberals", "tree-hugging commies" (really) or cocksuckers, when he was in a playful mood. He made it very clear to the manager that under no circumstances is he ever to hire a black man, although black women could be cashiers provided they were "pretty". He got into an altercation with an asian truck driver once, calling him "Johnny Egg-Roll" and was nearly killed in the fracas.

I'll grant that stereotypes are not rules, and that just because one happens to believe in smaller government doesn't necessarily mean he believes in white supremacy, any more than anyone else.

But American society is racist to its core. It is extraordinarily difficult to maintain a color-blind approach to life here, as one is so generally in the smallest of minorities in attempting to do so.

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Offline JamieD

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #56 on: August 22, 2007, 03:08:03 AM »
But isn't dating exclusively from one race group being... er... racist? It was last time I looked... ::)



No, I would date people of other races if I found them to be attractive. I don't though. Its not a choice. Am I a  sexist because I don't sleep with or date women?  ::)
« Last Edit: August 22, 2007, 03:13:00 AM by JamieD »

Offline JamieD

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2007, 03:11:01 AM »
My black wife is going to be really mad when she finds out I'm a racist.
 I take personal offense to such statements and will request one more time you and everyone else in this forum stop making them.

LOL @ Grinch.

My black boyfriend will be even more pissed off when he finds out that I am both racist AND homophobic as well.  :P Everytime I am at my local KKK rally I ask myself "What would my friends here at the KKK think if they knew I was sleeping with another man who was black?" I'd probably go down faster then a black jewish handicapped lesbian.

Offline JamieD

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #58 on: August 22, 2007, 03:12:20 AM »
I find it funny that the leftwing nutjob preach tolerance and understand and open mindness, but only when it's something they believe in and support.

Offline JamieD

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #59 on: August 22, 2007, 03:16:01 AM »
Andy,
In other threads it has been stated that ALL conservatives are racist and homophobic.  I have repeatedly requested that this generalization be stopped.  If I were to make the statement that most homosexuals are pedophiles I would be instantly censured.  What is the difference?  Both statements are wrong.  Both statements are hurtful.



These are the people who preach "tolerance", "open mindedness" and "acceptance".... the fine print says, though "Only when you agree with us".

Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #60 on: August 22, 2007, 03:48:54 AM »
I find it funny that the leftwing nutjob preach tolerance and understand and open mindness, but only when it's something they believe in and support.

Well Jamie, you might want to be careful slinging words like "nutjob" around.

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Offline JamieD

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #61 on: August 22, 2007, 03:53:26 AM »
I find it funny that the leftwing nutjob preach tolerance and understand and open mindness, but only when it's something they believe in and support.

Well Jamie, you might want to be careful slinging words like "nutjob" around.

MtD
(Who knows that people who live in glasshouses should fuck in the basement)

Well, with statements like "scratch a republican find a conservative, scratch a conservative find racist" being thrown around by the majority of people here I am not too concerned with what people "think". Anyone (right or left) who makes sweeping statements like that about a large segment of the population is a nutjob.... with a capitol "N".

Offline JamieD

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #62 on: August 22, 2007, 05:49:17 AM »
LOL @ Grinch.

My black boyfriend will be even more pissed off when he finds out that I am both racist AND homophobic as well.  :P Everytime I am at my local KKK rally I ask myself "What would my friends here at the KKK think if they knew I was sleeping with another man who was black?" I'd probably go down faster then a black jewish handicapped lesbian.

ETA: Wait until my Puerto Rican family finds out I am racist. Oh GOD, I didn't even think of them. My brother, my sister, my nephew, my aunt, my father, my grandmum.... all of them. Fucking spics. I wonder if I dye my hair blonde again if I could pass as white? What do you think?  ???


Well, I'm off to go spray paint "wetback" on my sister's car, and "fag" on my boyfriends. Maybe I'll burn a cross on his lawn too. Kisses. XOXO. Jamie
« Last Edit: August 22, 2007, 05:55:05 AM by JamieD »

Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #63 on: August 22, 2007, 06:09:22 AM »
Well Jamie, since you're runnin' with the Right, why don't you ask your conservative buddy Grinch what he thinks of the jack off vid in your Forums profile?

Grinchie once famously complained about Bucko having an avatar which showed the merest glimpse of pubes.

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Offline JamieD

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #64 on: August 22, 2007, 06:12:59 AM »
ask him whether or not I would pass as white if I had blonde hair?

Offline Cliff

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #65 on: August 22, 2007, 07:01:31 AM »
Just because you date or are married to a black person doesn't mean you can't hold racist tendencies.  Using that same flawed logic, then straight men can't be sexist because they all date and/or marry women.  A guy can still think women as a whole are a weaker sex and yet marry and/or have sex with them.

Saying you can't be racist because you date blacks is almost as bad as saying you can't be because some on your best friends are black.  It's a lazy response used while debating.

Offline JamieD

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #66 on: August 22, 2007, 07:09:15 AM »
I also used the argument that I AM A MINORITY MYSELF!!!! Try that one on for size, homegirl.

I spent the every year of my elementary school, middle school, and college (high school) being called a "spic" day in and day out. Everyday for 13 grades. I happened to be one of two latino families in my town. The rest were all white as rice. OMG. I said white as rice, now am I racist against whites? Well.... I am also half white. I had a British mum and a Puerto Rican father.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2007, 07:15:03 AM by JamieD »

Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #67 on: August 22, 2007, 07:12:02 AM »
Try that one on for size, homegirl.

Jamie, I really don't think you should speak to Cliff like that. He's a long standing and well liked member and is entitled to more respect than you've just shown him.

MtD

Offline JamieD

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #68 on: August 22, 2007, 07:16:00 AM »
Try that one on for size, homegirl.

Jamie, I really don't think you should speak to Cliff like that. He's a long standing and well liked member and is entitled to more respect than you've just shown him.

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #69 on: August 22, 2007, 07:19:36 AM »
Face it Jamie,you are a freaking racist.  It doesnt matter how you treat people, it only matters what you think or how you feel.
The left and race pimps will always play the race card,its what they do, and they have made the whole thing a joke.
If you see a black person walking down the street,and the thought enters your mind,"there is a black person" you are a racist. If you oppose anything a black person or minority does you are racist.
If I think Shiela Lee Jackson is a moronic windbag, I am a racist. If I oppose Jesse Jacksons blackmail of US corps and the wealth he has accumalated from this profession, I am a racist.
You only date black women to disguise your racism,you just didnt know it.
You see racism must exist because it empowers many and with out it what would the left and people like Jackson do for a living?
No matter how hard we try, no matter how often we try to be kind and have empathy for minorities,racism will always exist,too many people depend on it.

Offline JamieD

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #70 on: August 22, 2007, 07:23:44 AM »
women

 :D  It's men, dear.  ;) I am a racist bi-racial faggot conservative. The KKK would welcome me with open arms.

BTW- Your response pissed me off at first until I realised what you were saying.  :D

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #71 on: August 22, 2007, 08:00:05 AM »
Jamie,

You now have two new (conservative) buds on the forums.  It's too bad they're both white and straight.  They're both a bit more 'insightful', too.

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #72 on: August 22, 2007, 08:11:17 AM »
Oh yeah, that is a drag since obviously because I date only men of colour that must mean I want nothing to do with anyone else.

Have you by chance ever thought this thought to yourself before: my hat doesn't fit because my wrist is swollen?

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #73 on: August 22, 2007, 08:19:59 AM »
Jamie,

You now have two new (conservative) buds on the forums.  It's too bad they're both white and straight.  They're both a bit more 'insightful', too.



straight?

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #74 on: August 22, 2007, 08:35:59 AM »
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I am a racist bi-racial faggot conservative. The KKK would welcome me with open arms.

LOL. Sadly, they wouldn't. The KKK only likes men who are white, protestant, and heterosexual.
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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #75 on: August 22, 2007, 08:36:54 AM »
Have you by chance ever thought this thought to yourself before: my hat doesn't fit because my wrist is swollen?

No, but I have thought your posts odd based on previous threads you've started.
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« Reply #76 on: August 22, 2007, 08:43:26 AM »
LOL. Sadly, they wouldn't. The KKK only likes men who are white, protestant, and heterosexual.

You're joking, right? You didn't see the sarcasm in that post?

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« Reply #77 on: August 22, 2007, 08:44:54 AM »
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Cliff stated:

I think you'll find that using cracker is not that acceptable.  I wouldn't (and shouldn't) go to my workplace and throw around that word.  In fact, I can't think of too many places where it would be acceptable to use that word.  Both words are offensive, but not necessarily racism.  Two different concepts.

I would ask you to clarify because that sounds like you're endorsing the idea that only slighting a minority is racism. Racism is racism regardless of which race the victim belongs to. Racism is hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. I don't see where minorities have dibs on being the only ones able to cry "racism." "Cracker" is a racist term. It was used by African-Americans, during the time of slavery and today, as a derogatory term in reference to Caucasians. Explain to me how that's not racism?
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« Reply #78 on: August 22, 2007, 08:45:48 AM »
You're joking, right? You didn't see the sarcasm in that post?

Yes, darling Jamie. See the "LOL" at the beginning of the post?
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« Reply #79 on: August 22, 2007, 08:59:44 AM »
It was used by African-Americans, during the time of slavery and today, as a derogatory term in reference to Caucasians. Explain to me how that's not racism?


Your kidding right? Accusing slaves of racism is beyond ignorant. It's kind of hard to be labled a racist when someone owns you. When you are considered an animal to be bought and sold at will. The term cracker was used by slaves to describe owners and the crack of the whip against their backs. How dare those racist, darkies disparage the good name of their owners. Good grief this thread is ridiculous.

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« Reply #80 on: August 22, 2007, 09:06:04 AM »
Good grief this thread is ridiculous.

Weren't you one of those peddling the idea that conservatives were both racist and homophobic?

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« Reply #81 on: August 22, 2007, 09:09:03 AM »
..."Cracker" is a racist term. It was used by African-Americans, during the time of slavery and today, as a derogatory term in reference to Caucasians. ...

As an aside, I first heard the term 'cracker' when I was in third grade.  We had just moved from Louisiana to Raleigh, NC during the summer of '74, and schools in Raleigh were dealing with issues of bussing, integration, etc.  Anyway, this girl called me 'white cracker' out of the blue.  In first and second grades (in LA), I didn't know what discrimination, racism, or prejudice was, so I was unfamiliar with racial slur terms.  I thought it sounded kinda funny to me, so I called her one of my favorite snacks, a chocolate covered graham cracker.  She didn't think my answer was so funny and proceded to punch me in the stomach.  When I got home, I asked my mom why she called me a 'white cracker'.  My mom explained that it was what some black people called white people when they didn't like them.  I asked "but why doesn't she like me?" (I was always a 'why' kind of child and haven't outgrown it.)  She just said "honey, she just doesn't.  I don't know why."  Of course she knew the reason, but even now I often wonder "but why don't they/he/she like me" when it comes to being gay or white or male, even.  Brenda and I never spoke much after that, but her twin sister, Linda, and I became best friends the rest of the time I went to that school. 

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #82 on: August 22, 2007, 09:16:17 AM »
Weren't you one of those peddling the idea that conservatives were both racist and homophobic?

No sweetheart I wasn't peddling anything, I was responding to Grinch. Feel free to read my response, but as for this thread and your burning desire for a troll fest I bid you adieu.

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #83 on: August 22, 2007, 09:28:53 AM »
Jaime - to be conscientious about money does not equate conservative.

I know plenty of liberals who'll squeeze a wooden nickel until the Buffalo poops.

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #84 on: August 22, 2007, 09:34:03 AM »
I know plenty of liberals who'll squeeze a wooden nickel until the Buffalo poops.

Many of us with AIDS absolutely have to.   :-\
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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #85 on: August 22, 2007, 09:36:22 AM »
Jaime - to be conscientious about money does not equate conservative.

I am a lot more then conscientious of money. I am against most social welfare programmes. I think a large portion (but not ALL for you nitpickers) of taxes are completely unneccesary (ie, the death tax aka what the commies call the estate tax).

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #86 on: August 22, 2007, 09:37:35 AM »
Are you against ADAP?


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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #87 on: August 22, 2007, 09:37:55 AM »
I would ask you to clarify because that sounds like you're endorsing the idea that only slighting a minority is racism. Racism is racism regardless of which race the victim belongs to. Racism is hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. I don't see where minorities have dibs on being the only ones able to cry "racism." "Cracker" is a racist term. It was used by African-Americans, during the time of slavery and today, as a derogatory term in reference to Caucasians. Explain to me how that's not racism?
Putting your odd example of using slavery as an example of reverse racism against Caucasians aside, I think you misread or didn't understand the point (nor context) of my comment.  I never stated racism was only applicable to one group.  

My point was addressing a comment by Grinch and Jaime that they couldn't be racist because they dated blacks.  I don't know them, so I can't comment as to whether or not they are racist.  I'll take their word for it that they are not.  But I can comment on the fact that I think it's intellectually lazy to argue that one can't be racist because they date and/or are friends with blacks.

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #88 on: August 22, 2007, 09:41:12 AM »
But I can comment on the fact that I think it's intellectually lazy to argue that one can't be racist because they date and/or are friends with blacks.

.... or that you can't be racist if you are infact a minority yourself.

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #89 on: August 22, 2007, 09:44:14 AM »
Are you against ADAP?



I don't know what that is. Is that some tax on breathing that the democrats are trying to get put into place? Or is it a new tax on petrol?

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #90 on: August 22, 2007, 09:46:06 AM »
Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but Jamie your posts have a definite flamebait feel to them.

You seem like you're deliberately trying to provoke anger from people on this thread.

I'm sure it's just me.


PS:  It speaks volumes that you are completely ignorant of what ADAP is.  "AIDS Drug Assistance Program"...helping provide life saving medicine for those who can't afford it.

But never you mind.  It's just another wasteful liberal social program.
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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #91 on: August 22, 2007, 09:47:40 AM »
Everyone -

If the sarcasm isn't dropped as a weapon in this discussion, I'm going to shut this thread down. Sarcasm may have its place, but it is not a clever debating tactic when discussing serious issues.

And yes, this is a warning of sorts. Keep to the issues themselves and stop attacking each other.

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #92 on: August 22, 2007, 09:50:26 AM »

PS:  It speaks volumes that you are completely ignorant of what ADAP is.  "AIDS Drug Assistance Program"...helping provide life saving medicine for those who can't afford it.

But never you mind.  It's just another wasteful liberal social program.

Don't be an ass. It's unnecessary. Painting me as a heartless sociopath isn't going to make your argument right. I have no problem whatsoever with giving assistance to those people who really need it. I stated that earlier. And I am sure 99% of conservatives have no problem giving assistance to people who are in real need of it. Our definition of "need" is probably very different though.

And why would it "speak volumes" that I don't know what ADAP is? I have been positive for two months, and I pay for my own medications with my own money even though I am in college and only work part time. Boo-fucking-hoo.
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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #93 on: August 22, 2007, 09:57:28 AM »
Jamie,

Knock it off, now. I agree that you are walking a very fine line flame-bait wise, especially after I just issued a general warning. Consider yourself officially warned.

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #94 on: August 22, 2007, 10:00:33 AM »
I didn't see your response as I was writing mine when you posted that. I didn't see it when I edited it either.

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« Reply #95 on: August 22, 2007, 10:05:54 AM »
I didn't see your response as I was writing mine when you posted that. I didn't see it when I edited it either.

Now how can that be when the default setting is to warn when someone has posted while you were writing? And I happen to know that you haven't changed the default by ticking the box that says DON'T warn in your profile.

Your official warning stands.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #96 on: August 22, 2007, 10:07:46 AM »
And why would it "speak volumes" that I don't know what ADAP is? I have been positive for two months, and I pay for my own medications with my own money even though I am in college and only work part time.

Jaime - it speaks volumes when you state that you are against most social welfare programs and don't know one of the most prominent ones in the U.S.

I think you should avoid statements of saying you are against things until you actually know what those things entail.  This is not sacrasm and this is not an attack - simply an observation.

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Re: Are there any conservatives here?
« Reply #97 on: August 22, 2007, 10:09:37 AM »
I did see the warning. I see one right now because someone posted something when I clicked the reply button. That doesn't mean I am paying any attention to it. Did I mention not seeing the warning of another reply? I don't believe so.

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« Reply #98 on: August 22, 2007, 10:11:06 AM »
I tend to be more democratic-liberal.  I don't know if I would ever vote Republican even if it was Mickey Mouse running for the Democrats. 
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« Reply #99 on: August 22, 2007, 10:11:57 AM »
I did see the warning. I see one right now because someone posted something when I clicked the reply button. That doesn't mean I am paying any attention to it. Did I mention not seeing the warning of another reply? I don't believe so.

Jamie,

Then let this be a lesson. When someone has posted while you were writing, read what was posted.

Your official warning STILL stands.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


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