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Offline berlin1926

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Living an Average Life-Span
« on: August 16, 2007, 07:35:01 PM »
How else to say this...how many of you who are on meds currently believe it's possible to live an "average" USA lifespan (for men, 71? women, 72?).  Is even possible or is there a "modified" average for HIVers?

Offline xyahka

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Re: Living an Average Life-Span
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2007, 08:11:11 PM »
hi, i read a report from Oxford about the life-span expected for hiv people and posted it here

http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=14686.0

I think it might help you out with your question

Cheers,

Juan Carlos
13/03/07 1er diagnóstico /Peso: 79kg
19/04/07 CD4: 494 /CViral: ?? /Peso: 80kg
19/07/07 CD4: 659 /CViral: ?? /Peso: 79.5kg
06/03/08 CD4: 573 (después de meses muy deprimido) /CViral: ?? /Peso: 79kg
17/09/08 CD4: ?? /CViral: ?? /Peso: 84Kg
06/02/09 CD4: ?? /CViral: ?? /Peso: 85Kg /HCV: Neg /HBV: Neg.
07/03/09 CD4: ?? /CViral: ?? /Peso: 87Kg / Gym 3días/semana y Natación 2días/semana.
12/05/09 CD4: 470 /Cviral: ?? /Peso: 87Kg.
08/07/09 CD4: ? /CViral: ? /Peso: 77Kg.
09/12/09 CD4: 510 /CViral: ? /Peso: 78kg. No medicinas aún
10/01/10 CD4: ? /CViral: ? /Peso: 76Kg.
15/05/10 CD4: 320 /CViral: ? /Peso: 76Kg.
01/02/11 CD4: 291 /CViral: ? /Peso: 78kg.
05/05/11 CD4: 366 /CViral: ? /Peso: 78kg.
27/07/11 CD4: 255 /CViral: 138000 /Peso: 78kg.

Disfrutando y aceptando una nueva vida...

Offline DanielMark

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Re: Living an Average Life-Span
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2007, 07:00:46 AM »
Berlin,

You might find this article from HIV InSite (California) of interest:

What is the Average Life Expectancy of Someone with HIV?

First, since nobody really knows what will happen to anyone at any time, let's just take a moment to appreciate that you are in love with a wonderful partner.

That said, what is the life expectancy of someone with HIV? We don't know exactly, but we know it depends on many factors. In poor countries where people don't have access to HIV treatments, AIDS has cut the life expectancy of entire populations almost by half. Rich countries have begun to mobilize money and efforts to start treating people in those areas, but we have a long way to go.

In the early days of the epidemic in the United States, the answer to your question would have been simple and hard to take: before we had good HIV treatments, people with HIV could expect to become ill with AIDS within about 10 years after becoming infected, and then lived only 1-2 years on average after being diagnosed with AIDS.

Now that good HIV treatments are available (at least to those who can afford them, or qualify for insurance, or live in places where government-sponsored treatment programs haven't been cut) those who take the medicines as prescribed tend to do very well. We also have better blood tests to help decide who should start treatment, to monitor how well treatment is working against the virus, and to help choose a new treatment if an old one stops working. So the good news is that we can't tell exactly what the life expectancy is for a person with HIV, because the medications and tests have only been around for 10 years or less, and people are living longer than that.

What we are starting to see is that deaths among people with HIV are now caused more and more by things like injuries and heart attacks, rather than by AIDS. Heart disease may be related to HIV or its treatments, but it seems that if people have their cholesterol monitored and take medication to lower it as needed, stop smoking, and take care of other risk factors like high blood pressure, the risk of heart attack should be greatly reduced. Liver disease seems to be particularly a problem in people who have both hepatitis C and HIV, and those people should receive specialized medical care and possibly treatment for hepatitis C. But overall in the United States and Canada, it looks as though people with HIV are living long enough to die from causes other than AIDS.

Unfortunately, some people use this good news to justify not protecting themselves or their partners from HIV infection. So we should keep in mind some other possibilities: that, as the years go by, we will start to see long-term effects of HIV infection that we don't yet know about, or HIV treatments may lose their effectiveness, or the treatments themselves will have long-term side effects. It's also important to remember that some people can't take the medications because of side effects or other health problems, and untreated HIV infection remains a deadly disease. We need to remain watchful and keep supporting public health, treatment, and research programs to keep HIV under control, and deal with whatever comes up in the long term. But with proper medical care, life expectancy with HIV is much, much longer than it was 10 years ago.
 
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Daniel

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Offline kellyspoppi

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Re: Living an Average Life-Span
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2007, 09:51:35 AM »
daniel,

great answer.

i would just like to add that a positive mental attitude goes a long way in helping your immune system remain strong. try to live a stress free life, and although that is easier said than done, limiting the amount of stress in your life can help you remain strong physically and mentally.

getting connected to the hiv community where you live, and if possible, involving yourself in the decision making process within your ASO or aids treatment center, or even the ryan white network ( if available) can also help to enhance your mental attitude because knowledge is power,  and being informed about funding issues and your treatment will go a long way into makinjg you feel like you have regained control of your life.

best wishes for a long and happy life.

kellyspoppi

Offline redhotmuslbear

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Re: Living an Average Life-Span
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2007, 09:05:47 AM »
In the end, there will be the cockroaches, me and Cher.
"The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner
12-31-09   222wks VL  2430 CD4 690 (37%)
09-30-09   208wks VL  2050  CD4 925 (42%)
06-25-08   143wks VL  1359  CD4 668 (32%)  CD8 885
02-11-08   123wks off meds:  VL 1364 CD4 892(40%/0.99 ratio)
10-19-07   112wks off meds:   VL 292  CD4 857(37%/0.85 ratio)

One copy of delta-32 for f*****d up CCR5 receptors, and an HLA B44+ allele for "CD8-mediated immunity"... beteer than winning Powerball, almost!

Offline BT65

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Re: Living an Average Life-Span
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2007, 09:53:51 AM »
I really don't think anyone can specify a certain time-frame different groups of people will live.  They can only speculate.  But that's just my opinion.
I've never killed anyone, but I frequently get satisfaction reading the obituary notices.-Clarence Darrow

Offline komnaes

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Re: Living an Average Life-Span
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2007, 09:37:56 PM »
In the end, there will be the cockroaches, me and Cher.

Ha, I am just reading a book called 'The World Without Us', a thought experiment on how the world would go on if all human beings were to just up and disappear. Apparently, according to the author Alan Weisman, cockroaches will very quickly go extinct because they have evolved to live off humans. So unless you and Cher can produce enough leftover to feed the world roaches' population, they will be starved to death or eaten by other tougher and wild creatures that soon take over our living spaces. ;)
« Last Edit: September 27, 2007, 09:52:56 PM by komnaes »
Aug 07 Diagnosed
Oct 07 CD4=446(19%) Feb 08 CD4=421(19%)
Jun 08 CD4=325(22%) Jul 08 CD4=301(18%)
Sep 08 CD4=257/VL=75,000 Oct 08 CD4=347(16%)
Dec 08 CD4=270(16%)
Jan 09 CD4=246(13%)/VL=10,000
Feb 09 CD4=233(15%)/VL=13,000
Started meds Sustiva/Epzicom
May 09 CD4=333(24%)/VL=650
Aug 09 CD4=346(24%)/VL=UD
Nov 09 CD4=437(26%)/VL=UD
Feb 10 CD4=471(31%)/VL=UD
June 10 CD4=517 (28%)/VL=UD
Sept 10 CD4=687 (31%)/VL=UD
Jan 11 CD4=557 (30%)/VL=UD
April 11 CD4=569 (32%)/VL=UD
Switched to Epizcom, Reyataz and Norvir
(Interrupted for 2 months with only Epizcom & Reyataz)
July 11 CD=520 (28%)/VL=UD
Oct 11 CD=771 (31%)/VL=UD(<30)
April 12 CD=609 (28%)/VL=UD(<20)
Aug 12 CD=657 (29%)/VL=UD(<20)
Dec 12 CD=532 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
May 13 CD=567 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
Jan 14 CD=521 (21%)/VL=UD(<50)

Offline bear60

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Re: Living an Average Life-Span
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2007, 09:52:37 PM »
Ha, I am just reading a book called 'The World Without Us', a thought experiment on how the world would go on if all human beings were to just up and disappear. Apparently, according to the author Alan Weisman, cockroaches will very quickly go extinct because they are also conditioned to live off humans. So unless you and Cher can produce enough leftover to feed the world roaches' population, they will be shaved to death or eaten by other tougher and wild creatures that soon take over our living spaces. quote komanaes
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I sincerely hope that Komnaes and I do not end up on the proverbial desert island together.
Have a nice evening.
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Offline komnaes

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Re: Living an Average Life-Span
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2007, 09:57:01 PM »
I sincerely hope that Komnaes and I do not end up on the proverbial desert island together.
Have a nice evening.

Why not, as long as there NOT only you and I... ;)

Hugs, Shaun
Aug 07 Diagnosed
Oct 07 CD4=446(19%) Feb 08 CD4=421(19%)
Jun 08 CD4=325(22%) Jul 08 CD4=301(18%)
Sep 08 CD4=257/VL=75,000 Oct 08 CD4=347(16%)
Dec 08 CD4=270(16%)
Jan 09 CD4=246(13%)/VL=10,000
Feb 09 CD4=233(15%)/VL=13,000
Started meds Sustiva/Epzicom
May 09 CD4=333(24%)/VL=650
Aug 09 CD4=346(24%)/VL=UD
Nov 09 CD4=437(26%)/VL=UD
Feb 10 CD4=471(31%)/VL=UD
June 10 CD4=517 (28%)/VL=UD
Sept 10 CD4=687 (31%)/VL=UD
Jan 11 CD4=557 (30%)/VL=UD
April 11 CD4=569 (32%)/VL=UD
Switched to Epizcom, Reyataz and Norvir
(Interrupted for 2 months with only Epizcom & Reyataz)
July 11 CD=520 (28%)/VL=UD
Oct 11 CD=771 (31%)/VL=UD(<30)
April 12 CD=609 (28%)/VL=UD(<20)
Aug 12 CD=657 (29%)/VL=UD(<20)
Dec 12 CD=532 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
May 13 CD=567 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
Jan 14 CD=521 (21%)/VL=UD(<50)

Offline bear60

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Re: Living an Average Life-Span
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2007, 10:06:02 PM »
Well, I want to be The Skipper.  You can be Mary Ann.
Poz Bear Type in Philadelphia

Offline komnaes

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Re: Living an Average Life-Span
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2007, 12:04:49 AM »
Well, I want to be The Skipper.  You can be Mary Ann.

Wouldn't it be nice!

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Aug 07 Diagnosed
Oct 07 CD4=446(19%) Feb 08 CD4=421(19%)
Jun 08 CD4=325(22%) Jul 08 CD4=301(18%)
Sep 08 CD4=257/VL=75,000 Oct 08 CD4=347(16%)
Dec 08 CD4=270(16%)
Jan 09 CD4=246(13%)/VL=10,000
Feb 09 CD4=233(15%)/VL=13,000
Started meds Sustiva/Epzicom
May 09 CD4=333(24%)/VL=650
Aug 09 CD4=346(24%)/VL=UD
Nov 09 CD4=437(26%)/VL=UD
Feb 10 CD4=471(31%)/VL=UD
June 10 CD4=517 (28%)/VL=UD
Sept 10 CD4=687 (31%)/VL=UD
Jan 11 CD4=557 (30%)/VL=UD
April 11 CD4=569 (32%)/VL=UD
Switched to Epizcom, Reyataz and Norvir
(Interrupted for 2 months with only Epizcom & Reyataz)
July 11 CD=520 (28%)/VL=UD
Oct 11 CD=771 (31%)/VL=UD(<30)
April 12 CD=609 (28%)/VL=UD(<20)
Aug 12 CD=657 (29%)/VL=UD(<20)
Dec 12 CD=532 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
May 13 CD=567 (31%)/VL=UD(<20)
Jan 14 CD=521 (21%)/VL=UD(<50)

Offline next2u

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Re: Living an Average Life-Span
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2007, 12:11:37 PM »
Quote
In the end, there will be the cockroaches, me and Cher.

That is pure comedy. It sounds like a lovely ending : )
midapr07 - seroconversion
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feb08 cd4  694;  vl 16,160; cd4% 50.1
may08 cd4 546; vl 91,480; cd4% 32
aug08 cd4 576; vl 48,190; cd4% 40.7
dec08 cd4 559; vl 63,020; cd4% 29.4
feb09 cd4 464; vl 11,000; cd4% 26
may09 cd4 544; vl 29,710; cd4% 27.2
oct09 cd4 ...; vl 23,350; cd4% 31.6
mar10 cd4 408; vl 59,050; cd4% 31.4
aug10 cd4 328; vl 80,000; cd4% 19.3 STARTED ATRIPLA
oct10 cd4 423; vl 410 ;); cd4% 30.2
jun11 cd4 439; vl <20 ;); cd4% 33.8 <-Undetectable!
mar12 cd4 695; vl ud; cd4% 38.6
jan13 cd4 738; vl ud; cd4% 36.8
aug13 cd4 930; vl ud; cd4% 44.3

 


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