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Offline ghostsniper007

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pin prick and doorknob
« on: August 16, 2007, 04:56:56 PM »
Hi all,

I have been reading the forums and have found the answer to my initial question.
(risk level of a handjob with vaginal fluid present [thought seem to be low on this forum])

But what I haven't really found out is why there is such a difference
between genital-hand-genital contact versus, lets say, one rubbing his penis on a woman's vagina ? 

Fluids are still coming into contact either way, no ?

Thanks for everyone's time and opinions.

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Re: differences between contact
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2007, 05:13:32 PM »
But what I haven't really found out is why there is such a difference
between genital-hand-genital contact versus, lets say, one rubbing his penis on a woman's vagina ?


Hi Ghost.

What you're referring to is called 'frottage' and no, it's not a risk for HIV transmission. Even if there are fluids about. HIV transmission is not a simple matter of coming into contact with infected fluids, rather it's about getting those fluids in the right place.

So to speak.

HIV transmission occurs inside the body, like in the anus/rectum or in the vagina.

MtD

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Re: differences between contact
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2007, 04:21:21 AM »
thanks for the reply.

my hangup is the fact that vaginal fluids are on my penis and foreskin.

the only difference i can see between this and intercourse is some air exposure.


http://www.sfaf.org/aids101/transmission.html#outside
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Air does not "kill" HIV, but exposure to air dries the fluid that contains the virus, and that will destroy or break up much of the virus very quickly.
The CDC reports that drying HIV reduces viral amount by 90-99% within several hours.

I must say, I'm not pleased to hear 'several hours'
« Last Edit: August 17, 2007, 04:34:07 AM by ghostsniper007 »

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Re: differences between contact
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2007, 05:17:04 AM »
ghost,

"Reducing the viral amount" is not the same thing as the virus being viable and able to transmit itself. Hiv is very fragile and the outer membrane MUST be intact in order for it to latch on to a few very specific cell types and infect a new host. Small changes in temperature, moisture content and pH levels all quickly damage this outer membrane, rendering hiv unable to infect.

Not only that, but as I said, hiv can only latch onto a few very specific cell types. On a male, these cell types are mainly found down inside the urethra or inside the rectum. The combination of hiv's fragility and the location of susceptible cells is why hiv is primarily transmitted INSIDE the human body, as in unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse.

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex with a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through all three condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

While you do not need to test specifically over frottage, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann
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Offline ghostsniper007

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Re: differences between contact
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2007, 09:46:41 AM »
thanks for the reply Ann,

I'm also a bit worried about the fluid coming into contact (and getting under) my foreskin (microscopic tears).
The handjob didn't have much contact with the area around my urethra.

good point 1:
---I had some KY warming liquid on myself before the handjob begun, hopefully it aided in breaking up the virus.

good point 2:
---the vaginal fluid was not from deep fingering, but rather playing with her clitoris.
I've read what Andy wrote and he noted that the more contagious fluid is near the cervix of a woman.


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Re: differences between contact
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2007, 12:23:31 PM »
ghost,

Not one person has EVER become infected through the activities you bring to us. Not one. You didn't have a risk.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you won't have one in future either.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: differences between contact
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2007, 06:08:14 PM »
First I'd like to thank the forum admins for their time, patience and replies.

Your answers were very reassuring.

Question (hopefully the final one):
Are those transmission statistics open to the public?
Before posting I looked high and low for such numbers but only found very generalized numbers and categories.


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Re: differences between contact
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2007, 09:29:57 PM »
Forget about statistics. You've been given the real deal here in relation to your situation specifically. Believe me if there were any doubts about anything you've reported we would be telling you so.

Don't get caught up in searching the net for stats or stories, because believe me you will find lots to feed your worst fears. All without any solid science backing them of course.

You're good to go. Get on with your life. Really.
Andy Velez

Offline ghostsniper007

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pin prick and doorknob
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2007, 01:26:24 PM »
Hi,

On my way out of the testing center where i received a pin prick rapid test (neg result)
I used the same hand on the door knob and later realized that the bleeding hadn't yet stopped 100%.

the thought popped into my head that something from someone else could have been on the doorknob

did i get myself into situation ?
« Last Edit: September 19, 2007, 02:41:37 PM by ghostsniper007 »

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Re: pin prick and doorknob
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2007, 03:35:47 PM »
Ghost,

I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep all your additional thoughts or questions in one thread.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.

It doesn't matter is someone who is hiv positive bleed all over that doorknob before you touched it, you will NOT have become infected with hiv in this way.

Hiv does NOT remain viable and able to be transmitted when it is outside the body and on an environmental surface.

Touch all the doorknobs you like, with whatever may be on them and you will NEVER become infected with hiv in this way. NEVER.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: pin prick and doorknob
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2007, 04:06:46 PM »
Thanks Ann, sorry about the new post, just thought since it was a new question it should go in a new thread. 

My main worry is that I had a pin prick on my finger,
I fully realize from reading this forum that you cannot be infected through unbroken skin, which is not fully the case here.




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Re: pin prick and doorknob
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2007, 04:19:10 PM »
ghost,

I understood the first time you were worried about your pinprick. You didn't have a risk. No way, no how.

You are not going to make history by being the first person to be infected with hiv from touching a doorknob. Really, you aren't.

You won't even make history when I time you out for going on and on about a no-risk doorknob incident.

Touching doorknobs, even blood-covered ones, with a pinprick on your finger is NOT a risk for hiv infection. Never has been, never will be.


Ann

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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


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