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Author Topic: Cure found in the Dominican Republic??? Respected Doctor claims has cured 52.  (Read 31236 times)

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Offline chapserol

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Hello :)  I will post a few links of the articles posted on one of the most respected newspapers in the island in the past three days. This is all very exciting and at the same time very hard to believe but .... why not? Hopefully you can translate the pages since they are all in spanish. I think most if not all search engines have translation tools.   I must add and this is only my opinion and I dont know if anyone else thinks the same way I do but I have a very strong feeling that a cure or vaccine for the HIV-Aids virus is out there and for some very disturbing and delicate reasons they are not being allowed to go public. If this doctor in the Dominican Republic says he has cured 52 so far and has proof for every single case/person treated then why not be happy and raise hope. I wish I could keep on writing but I guess its better to read it yourself. Again this is front page news and it has clearly caused many joys to those who believe and as always many denial from those who dont. He has registered the formula in several countries already. I'm sorry im just very excited about this but please read for yourself. This is all being handled by public health and as they said, it will be a long process...  But please read for yourself. I dont wish to cause any false hope but as I feel happy for this I would like to share it in this forum.

http://www.elcaribe.com.do/articulo_caribe.aspx?id=131537&guid=8C54B9C002DA4907B19722A04528DA35&Seccion=3

http://www.elcaribe.com.do/articulo_caribe.aspx?id=131549&guid=A6C4C0B4A25B49259ECE1820F32FBF0E&Seccion=137

http://www.elcaribe.com.do/articulo_multimedios.aspx?id=131621&guid=6E40D1F656424A29B40B7BB7092E014B&Seccion=63






Offline Brussels28

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I found this article in a latin american news agency reporting the same news.
http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7B681A6D33-4569-4E76-8F35-7DDEF31EC05A%7D)&language=EN

Santo Domingo, Jul 24 (Prensa Latina) Dominican health authorities reacted cautiously Tuesday to a public announcement of a possible cure for HIV-AIDS made by a Dominican psychiatrist, owner of a pharmaceutical company.


Health Secretary Bautista Rojas reported a commission has been established to verify the scientific rigor of the discovery announced by Dr. Jose Ramon Baez.



Baez, 50, claims to have proven definitive withdrawal of the virus from human beings and offered that the government applies the treatment free to patients in the Dominican capital hospital.



After announcing he has patented the cure in the Dominican Republic and the United States, he expressed willingness to share his knowledge with national and foreign specialists.



If the commission finds the discovery successful it will be submitted for bioethical and pharmacological studies.



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Strange enough, this was not even mentioned in any western news agency...

Anyway, we all pray for such a breakthrough.. but lets wait the results of their ministry commission to evaluate this discovery.


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I don't want to destroy anyone's hopes, but...

UNLESS I don't see any case control studies published in a peer reviewed medical journal, I think this is just another one of those "cure of the month" announcements, which are all too readily taken up by the tabloid press to fill the summer hole.
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Um, yeah, right. ::)

Like Cerrid says, just the latest "cure of the month". Sheesh! The last one came out of ... Tanzania, was it? What a load of poopie-business.

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If this guy is willing to share his patented knowledge.....it doesn't hurt to hear what he has to say. 
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Offline chapserol

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As I said...   I have a very very strong feeling the cure is out there and has been for a while but for some very wicked reason we only hear the first reaction news. Im afraid I'll never hear from this again...    Does anyone understand what im talking about?  I cant even describe the economical benefits of the current hiv-aids treatments and meds that fuel a multi billion dollar industry. I wish someone could agree with me or even better NOT agree with me and prove me wrong. It is very disturbing to think a cure or vaccine is being kept from going public.  :-\

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I personally dont think this is another cure of the month....   

   But I doubt we hear from it again. If that happens then it will just prove what I just posted before this.

 I will post right away anything else regarding this event, any new information once it comes out. Guys this Doctor has cured 52 including a very touching case, an 8 year

old little girl that contracted the virus after she was raped. She is now safe.

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Would someone please put the information into a concise and readable few sentiences?  I dont have time to plow through all those links.
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Offline chapserol

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Bear60,

 It is very simple... it would probably take 30 secs more of your time.

I will transalate an article just released a while ago in the same news paper. For those of you non believers you will read that Magic Johnson the ex basketball player has contacted the doctor even a few days before his discovery came public. The original web link is http://www.elcaribe.com.do/articulo_caribe.aspx?id=131771&guid=59DAF330E4054183AAA86DC5B1E354A7&Seccion=3


Reactions 
It creates commotion in the world 
 National and international mass media, as well as readers of The Caribbean in different parts of the country and the world have followed with attention the version of which the doctor siquiatra Dominican Jose Ramon Báez Acosta found the cure of AIDS 

By Valenzuela Robert / The Caribbean
Thursday 26 of updated July of the 2007 to the 1:37 A.M.
 
The information that in the country has been the cure of AIDS has transferred the borders, creating diverse reactions beyond the limits.
 
Reputed international agencies of the news they have become echo of the information.  Readers of The Caribbean send their commentaries from different parts from the world, even ask on the form to contact the "inventor" of the medicine that alegadamente cures AIDS,  doctor Jose Ramon Báez Acosta, to take a patient.

Others, with relatives affected by  the disease, call by the telephone route to this newspaper to try to arrive to where the doctor.

In order to put an example, late in the Red program "Al Rojo Vivo" of the North American chain of the news Tele Mundo an ample news article with testimonies of several people spread yesterday who affirm that they were ill of AIDS and that with the injections of doctor Báez Acosta they have been healed.

 The doctor-siquiatra explained that by the commotion of the press in Europe, he received the call of a company of London interested in his discovery.

The Magic Johnson
One of the famous people who have approached doctor Báez Acosta is the ex- super star of professional basketball of the NBA Earvin Magic Johnson, who communicated by the telephone route with the doctor.

Magic retired of the basketball after which the doctors diagnosed to him that he was carrying healthy of AIDS. 

Nevertheless, the communication between Johnson and the Dominican doctor took place several months ago before it came to the public light the existence the cure on AIDS.

-----   I translated the page using babelfish from altavisat.com but I know google also has a translation tool.  Translating complete web pages does not come out very accurate. Some sentences do not make sense at all but most of the content does.

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This doctor received the "cure" in a dream from God. He then tested it on several pigs and a donkey before giving it to his patients.

using a quote from another forum:
"Desperate people turn to miracles and unscrupulous people take advantage, and a few well meaning nut cases believe they are really talking to gods."
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Offline bear60

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Chaps.......I still dont understand  what the "cure" is ....even after your translation.

Leatherman....I was kind of expecting that.  Its sad that unscrupulous people take advantage of us.....or try to.
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Im sorry guys but Im in no way trying to take advantage of anyone, why in the world...?

I understand that if Im wasting your time then I dont have a reason to keep on writing or posting about this.

Seriously some of you have to be a bit more optimistic ... and ther is no need for the word unscrupulous, do you even know what it means? If you do then try saving it to insult someone that is not trying to simply let some people know of any new possible discoveries. I personally dont think I deserve to be called unscrupulous... Lets not insult please, i dont see the need for it.

If anyone is at all interested then please let me know and I will keep posting if anything new comes up.

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This doctor received the "cure" in a dream from God.

That alone  leads me to believe that this is just another witch doctor.

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Is it just me or do we get one of these exotic AIDS cure threads every month here?
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Chap,

I'm curious - why are you interested? Are you positive and considering trying to obtain this "cure"?

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If this is a possible cure... I wonder if the pharmaceutical companies will either try to buy it... or squash the press about it... the pharmaceutical industries make more money from effective lifetime treatments than finding a cure... its not in their best interest...

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Hi, Heres the translation - found this on a forum - forum.randi - a skeptics forum

Commission will visit Báez 
Doctor affirms to have cured to 52 ill people of AIDS
By Roberto Valenzuela/the Caribbean
Wednesday 25 of updated July of the 2007 to 1:54 A.M.
 
   
DIVINITY. Doctor Báez Acosta assures that he received a message of God in his discovery against AIDS. (Juan Almánzar)


Rojas baptist Go'mez “the Commission will have to settle down the rigor of the discovery”.


Enriquillo Matos “the process to follow is to put it in practice by means of protocols”.

 
 

 
 

 

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A governmental medical commission will today meet with the doctor-siquiatra Jose Ramon Báez Acosta, who announced the discovery of the cure of AIDS, with which alleges to have healed to 52 people.
 
The encounter is pautado for the three of afternoon in the residence of the famous doctor, and there the experts will analyze scientifically the tests that say to have Báez Acosta, whose affirmation has caused a great commotion in the public opinion.

Siquiatra showed the Caribbean legajo of notarized deeds with the names, certificates and the companies of each one of the 52 patients, where certifica who each one was affected of AIDS and who soon it has been healed. It maintains that in addition to the 52, there are other 15 patients who are in treatment process.

Although it showed the names and the certificates of each one of the patients it understands that he is not ethical that those data are published in the press.
 
It relates that the most stirring case was the cure of a girl of eight years and that to the seven years was violated and infected with AIDS. “Now it embraces to me and it says papa”, told to me.   

The discovery arose, according to narrates, four years ago when it had a revelation of God, that drew up to the guidelines giving him the formula to him to elaborate the medicine that cures AIDS. It indicated that this is made up of two chemical elements and one natural one, but did not offer more details.
 
It explained that, firstly, by mandate of God, it tested to two pigs and an ass and that was surprised of the success achieved with the animals. 

The selection of the patients to whom is applied to them to the treatment has made it Christian shepherds in the sectors the Alcarrizos, the Guaricanos and San Luis.   

The treatment to the patients is done applying 12 injections to them, one every three days, “and in 36 days they are cured”. 

The skepticism and the cuestionamientos on the finding of the cure of AIDS make the rounds everywhere. Many medical friends, companions and colleagues of Báez Acosta refused to think on the subject, but they raised in private its incredulity.

“He does not put to me please in that mess, I have already seen so many things in this country that are lies that I prefer not to think”, an important and influential doctor said.
 
Others offered declarations with much caution, but soon outside record they said: “here between us, I do not believe in that, that is a triviality”.
 
Several clinical laboratories and organizations that work with the patients of AIDS refused to talk about to the subject.

 “I have not discovered anything, I I am cure-crazy person. Here they are used to saying to him crazy to everybody. That I dreamed it, does not fit doubt to me that was God that me said it, I gold much. I listened to a strong voice that said the formula to me whereupon AIDS is cured”, said Báez Acosta. 
 
One Long trajectory of services public
 
With 74 years of age and more than 50 dedicated to the medical and social work, it is characterized for being a kind person.
 
He is Christian-evangelical and proud in saying that to the poor patients who it attends he gives the three blows them: the priest, gives the medicine to them and he gives the passage them.
 
He was the first receiver who had the capital after the death of Rafael Leónidas Trujillo, was medical commander of the Revolution of April.
 
“I am not scared to him to bullets nor to anything, only to God, fuí I the medical commander of the Revolution”, said Báez Acosta, in relation to that there is been receiving threats by the telephone route. He is proprietor of a medical laboratory and a doctor's office to take care of the patients siquiátricos.
 
Nevertheless, already she is his daughter, Francis J. Báez Sanchez, the one that is in charge to take care of the doctor's office and to make the program of television that during long time his father did. Francis is also a doctor-siquiatra very reputed. The house of that family had a strong cord of security yesterday.
 
Diverse reactions on the announcement
 
Rojas baptist Go'mez
“The Commission will have to establish the rigor of the discovery”.
“Public Health is in the spirit to collaborate with doctor Báez Acosta and for that reason we designated a commission so that it meets with the doctor and it offers all the collaboration that is necessary. The Commission will have to establish the rigor of the discovery, from the scientific point of view. In case of settling down the veracity of the discovery it will be put under the department of Bioética”.
Red Go'mez is secretary of Public Health.
 
Francis J. Báez
“Papa is a professional, a doctor who studied scientifically”.
“It is good that people know that papi is not a healer, this is not a concoction. Papi is a professional, a doctor who studied scientifically like the other doctors and the investigators. What has is a product, not a concoction. They are injections that become like other medicines, becomes in a laboratory like other medicines.
Francis J Báez is doctor-siquiatra, daughter of Báez.
 
Enriquillo Matos
“The process to follow is to put it in practice by means of protocols”.
“A protocol Is necessary to fulfill everything later to say that we have or nonsuccess in any space of application of a medicine. The process to follow everywhere of the world when any medicine is discovered, vaccine, is to put it in practice by means of protocols to see the complications, to see the success levels that can consider”. 
Enriquillo Matos is president of the CMD.
 
Jose Ramon Báez,
“This has been a wood, you you imagine what is to cure AIDS”.
“It does not matter, that says what they want, here they are the papers, the tests of the best laboratory of this country that is the one of Amadita. This has been a wood, you imagines to you what is to cure AIDS. No of the powers has been able it to cure, leaves in the press that him has gone away of the hands and every day having died more people: because the antirretrovirales that they give do not cure”. 
Jose Ramon Báez is the author of the discovery

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How did this guy "cure" two pigs and an ass of hiv when the only animal who gets hiv is the human animal?

They don't call it HUMAN Immunodeficiency Virus for nothing, you know.

The only ass I see is Dr. Jose Ramon Baez. The people he claims to have "cured" probably never had hiv in the first place, just like his two pigs and an ass.

Like I said earlier, what a load of poopie-business. ::)

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It explained that, firstly, by mandate of God, it tested to two pigs and an ass and that was surprised of the success achieved with the animals. 



LOL! is it only me? "2 pigs & an ass!" LOL - the translation also adds to it!

Seriously, im keeping an open mind on this. some clever stuff were discovered in strange ways!

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Chaps, let me apologize for the misunderstanding. I didn't mean to imply that you were one of those "unscrupulous people".

There are three types of people mentioned in that quote:

1) "well meaning nut cases" - I believe this doctor to be one of those. Even though I was reared as a Baptist ;) , I'm still open-minded enough to let people believe in whatever gods they want to. However, IMHO nobody's god is speaking to them, much less in a dream. Why would this be the only illness that God would send a cure for, when there are so many in this world?

2) Then there's the "unscrupulous people". Mainly this is the media who put the hype to the stupid things in the world - showing us the latest drunk celebrity or miracle cures based on no true research. These days, it seems anything goes to get that 15 minutes of fame.

3) Finally, there's us (actually anyone with a disease), the "Desperate people". Who among us hasn't for a spilt second at least dreamed that we could be miraculously cured of HIV? If I was granted one wish, that's exactly what I'd use it for. ;)

Personally, having been terribly ill for many years (though I'm doing great nowadays), and having lost my partner to this illness, I have gotten this far by NOT being a "desperate person". Nor have I been pessimistic (though at times I have to admit I was close), or even optimistic (it's a bad virus and it's going to be tough to get a "cure" for this thing). Instead, I've been realistic. I read up about all the meds, and I discuss all these issues with my doctor, partner, and friends. I've stayed alive, not hoping for a cure, but actually enjoying and living each day right now.

I applaud you for having the optimism to hope that a cure will be found soon; but I have lived with this too long, and it's caused me too much grief, to believe a cure will be found in my lifetime. However, if a cure should come about, I believe it will come through scientific research not from a dream, nor a god.

As I said, I didn't mean to imply anything about you, except perhaps to list you in with myself and all the other sick people in the world who would "desperately" like to be cured. :D
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Hey- Just because the information found isn't in a US controlled study doesn't mean it's not legitimate... or other CONTROLLED studies for that matter... but why be so negative  :(... and how can you be so sure its not legit?  I enjoy this forums funny quirkiness at times but geez... how depressing it can be.  I worked for a pharmaceutical company and know how our system works... its got issues to say the least... anything heavily money driven does.  All this guy was doing is throwing some information out there found in the news... I for one appreciate it.  Thanks buddy.  Its all hope... and I hope it's legit and the US takes notice.  God told me to say this  ;)
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Here is a follow story from the same newspaper, http://www.elcaribe.com.do/articulo_multimedios.aspx?id=131903&guid=67BDCA1790C64759A63A2B77A92507B4&Seccion=63 .

It's in Spanish, of course, but here is a quick summary.

1) Claims to have cured 52 people with AIDS, and 15 more should complete the treament soon

2) His treatment is not authorized nor does it have any permission from the Public Health department at this time.

3) He says "I don't care if I have authorization or not, the patients are giving me their consent, and my only interest is curing them".

4) He is convinced that he was touched by god so he could carry this cure to reality.

5) He does not know what the 12 injections of his treatment do exactly to stop the action of the virus in the immune system, but "what is a fact is that it kille HIV. That is definitive"

6)The Public Health department is carrying out a scientific investigation in order the determine the nature of the treatment on the patients."

7) The Punblic Health department has not closed down his treatment center yet because they want to take due care, in case there is something of merit with the treatment. Their priority is to identify the substance being used in the treatment.

8 ) This doctor has 50 yeas of public service and assures that the application of the formulation eliminates the virus from human beings.

9) The composition of his treatment, designated Humo Ts has (in Spanish, I don't know how to translate these exactly:

- aminoetil, benceno, dial aspamina, aminas reductoras, triperpenos y esteroides.

10) The treatment method is on 10mg injection every three days

11) Side effects are fever and anemia

Naturally we all hope this doctor is on to something, but this is a usual "wait and see" case, with a healthy dose of skepticism in the meantime.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2007, 11:45:14 AM by J220 »
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I think the most amazing thing in all this story is God appearing in a dream...It seems that not even the Pope or mother Teresa of Calcuta are so lucky and close to God as this Dominican Dr. is...amaaaazing  ;)
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Leatherman:

 I completley understand your position in all this and more because of the way we are all living today, life today has become about solid facts and people have lost spiritual hope. To be honest it is very hard to believe in what we cant see. All I can say is the we all must have a tiny little bit of hope with things of this nature and try to be more optimistic.

 J220 :   

Thanks for posting that article up... I was about to that but was kind of busy earlier  :)

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Is it nor surprising you have not heard from this news yet...? I mean obviously more than 50 have been cured , 15 on the way , and 500 on the waiting list.... Why then has this news not reached many. Think abou the impact to those powerful pharmaceutical companies around the world. Im my opinion I think its a good thing this doctor is very religious and has said NOTHING will stop him from treating HIV infected people. I guess it all depends from the angle we view things....   
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Announcing cures without scientific evidence is not the act of a bone fide scientist.

The clue here is the use of Pigs and Donkeys as animal test subjects instead of the standard efforts to work at least first In-Vitro to determine the affect on HIV, then, if it is something worth pursuing, proper animal trials with animals that can be infected with HIV, such as rat and monkeys once again in a strictly observed scientific process.

Lastly, and not to cast aspirations to those of faith, generally Scientists are not likely to be talking about having visions granted to them by God as a reason for scientific discovery.

While I'm always just as eager as the next person to have the "cure" be handed to us, this is in the end about a virus and a path of scientific discovery to unlock its secrets and develop treatments and hopefully a cure.

Lastly, it is relatively easy to fall into the view that the faceless drug companies are "holding out on us". There are lots of dieseases that have no cure with HIV being one of them. Feeling persecuted by drug companies has more to do with how one feels about the world around them. Some see conspiracy, I see an army of dedicated scientists working hard to find a way to treat and to cure this diesease. So have a bit of faith that the PHD's, some of which I know, are wonderful dedicated hard working and really smart people.

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The problem with big pharma are not the scientists, but the board of directors and shareholders who only think $$$$$$$$$$$, just like any big corporation.
No one is blaming doctors, pharmacists or scientist.   it the "corporation" that runs the business that is a fault.

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some of us have no idea of what money can do. It is pretty wicked out there

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The only thing that is scientifically proven to stop or treat HIV is HAART. But I am sure the process of science will prove if this is fake or has any merit.  I agree with this "Announcing cures without scientific evidence is not the act of a real scientist."  HOWEVER i wanted to search around on google for myself in science articles.  Science knows about many of these compounds and is actively studying them for anti-hiv properties.
"The triterpene, mimusopic acid, possessing the novel migrated oleanane skeleton, mimusopane, exhibits anti-HIV reverse transcriptase activity and modification of this novel compound may lead to more potent bioactive substances."

This post seems like a hype of hope but I visited Dominican Republic two years ago and they were great and my poz friend there who was american from usa got his HAART HIV meds free and Dr. visits practically free.  So the Dr. were very compassionate he said.  Well Dominican Republic is a great windsurfing location and if you go stay at Ali's Surf Camp for only $25/night including breakfast AND dinner.  Lots of mistquitos though and baseball players.  There are three airports and cheap flights from NYC.

About this so called "cure"... i am curious about what they say is in the article ... so i did some digging...
This is what they say is in the injection according to the report...

"aminoetil, benceno, dial aspamina, aminas reductoras, triperpenos y esteroides"

I used google to translate it and found these words... these are just the bare words they mentioned in the article. we have no idea what the secret compound is he thinks he discovered by god. 

aminoethyl,
benzene,
aspamina dial,
reducing mines,
triterpenes   
steroids

triterpenes immediately triterpenes jumped out at me so i looked up***

so i looked up Terpene in wikipedia... and it turns out that it was used in past as "antifungals, antivirals, and antibacterials." "Turpentine has been used medically since ancient times... some still contain some turpentine (e.g., Vicks). Internal administration of turpentine is no longer common today, though it was once the preferred means of treating intestinal parasites due to its antiseptic and diuretic properties."

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=triterpenes+antiviral&btnG=Search
Several triterpenes with antiviral activity have been isolated from plant sources. Most. of them have the lupane skeleton
-Antiviral lanostanoid triterpenes from the fungus Ganoderma pfeifferi
-Evaluation of the antiviral and antimicrobial activities of triterpenes isolated from Euphorbia segetalis.
-Lupane Triterpenes and Derivatives with Antiviral Activity synthesis of new derivatives of betulin  betulinic acid. 
-new antiviral agents exhibiting mechanisms of Molecular structures of some triterpenes active against HSV Herpes simplex viruses
-"Mimusops elengi Linn. (N.O. Sapotaceae), a tree indigenous to India, has a long history of being used in traditional medicine. The primary compounds of interest in this plant are the triterpenes and triterpene glycosides. The triterpene, mimusopic acid, possessing the novel migrated oleanane skeleton, mimusopane, exhibits anti-HIV reverse transcriptase activity and modification of this novel compound may lead to more potent bioactive substances." http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13441139

Terpene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Triterpenes consist of six isoprene units The linear triterpene squalene, the major constituent of shark liver oil, ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terpene 

Triterpenes The linear triterpene squalene, the major constituent of shark liver oil, is derived from the reductive coupling of two molecules of farnesyl pyrophosphate. Squalene is then processed biosynthetically to generate either lanosterol or cycloartenol, the structural precursors to all the steroids.

Triterpenes
Triterpenes frequently exhibit bioactivity as antifungals, antivirals, and antibacterials. These products are typically white to off white crystalline ...
http://www.naturnorth.com/Triterpenes.htm
They are the major components of resin, and of turpentine produced from resin. The name "terpene" is derived from the word "turpentine"  Because triterpenes are available from birch bark in significant amounts, many of these compounds may be economically viable in a number of applications.   ORAL TOXICITY Study Dose Level: 5,000 mg/kg for female rats.  i guess i would say it is only toxic in large amounts if a rat can eat 5 grams.  "Extracting betulin (a terpene) from birch bark and producing betulinic acid for medicinal purposes represent exciting potential uses for this otherwise wasted resource from Minnesota’s forest products industry."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpentine
Turpentine has been used medically since ancient times.
    * Applied externally to the affected areas, turpentine is a highly effective treatment for lice.
    * Turpentine can be mixed with animal fat as a primitive chest rub for nasal and throat ailments. Many modern chest rubs still contain some turpentine (e.g., Vicks). 
    * Internal administration of turpentine is no longer common today, though it was once the preferred means of treating intestinal parasites due to its antiseptic and diuretic properties.[citation needed]
(isn't Vicks rubbed on the lymph node area of the neck?)   
     
also

benzene

benzene  an aromatic resin known to European pharmacists called "frankincense of Java."
Toluene can be used to break open red blood cells It is an aromatic hydrocarbon that is widely used as an industrial feedstock.  What is "industrial feedstock.??" do they feed this to animals???
         
benzene
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzene
   
The word benzene derives historically from "gum benzoin", sometimes called "benjamin" (i.e., benzoin resin), an aromatic resin known to European pharmacists and perfumers since the fifteenth century as a product of southeast Asia. "Benzoin" is itself a corruption of the Arabic expression "luban jawi," or "frankincense of Java." An acidic material was derived from benzoin by sublimation, and named "flowers of benzoin," or benzoic acid. The hydrocarbon thus acquired the name benzin, benzol, or benzene.   
   
   1890 the German Chemical Society organized an elaborate appreciation celebrating the twenty-fifth anniversary of his first benzene paper. spoke of the creation of the theory. He said that he had discovered the ring shape of the benzene molecule after having a reverie or day-dream of a snake seizing its own tail  This vision, he said, came to him after years of studying the nature of carbon-carbon bonds. This was 20 years after he had solved the problem of how carbon atoms could bond to up to four other atoms at the same time.
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluene
   Toluene can be used to break open red blood cells in order to extract hemoglobin in biochemistry experiments.
   methylbenzene or phenylmethane, is a clear, water-insoluble liquid with the typical smell of paint thinners, redolent of the sweet smell of the related compound benzene. It is an aromatic hydrocarbon that is widely used as an industrial feedstock.
     
   *** terpintine is somehow chemically related to testosterone i read somewhere and i found when i was young that those sweaty men always reminded me of woodworking and the shop where we had terpintine .
   http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elcaribe.com.do%2Farticulo_caribe.aspx%3Fid%3D131771%26guid%3D59DAF330E4054183AAA86DC5B1E354A7%26Seccion%3D3&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
     
 aminoetil and virus   diethyl  aminoethyl
   
   http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=aminoetil+virus&btnG=Search
   The Effect of Eukaryotic Expression Vectors and Adjuvants on DNA Vaccines in Chickens Using an Avian Influenza Model   David L. Suarez, Stacey Schultz-Cherry     Avian Diseases, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Oct. - Dec., 2000), pp. 861-868doi:10.2307/1593058      in birds given larger amounts of DNA, and with the use of multiple injection sites to administer the vaccine. With the use of the pCI-neo construct, the effects of different adjuvants designed to increase the uptake of plasmid DNA, including 25% sucrose, diethylaminoethyl dextran, calcium phosphate, polybrene, and two different cationic liposomes, were examined. Both liposomes tested enhanced antibody titers as compared with the positive controls, but the other chemical adjuvants decreased the antibody response as compared with the control chickens that received just the plasmid alone.
 aminoetil and antivirus
   http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=aminoetil+antivirus&btnG=Search
   
   triterpenes+antiviral
 http://www.google.com/search?q=triterpenes+antiviral&hl=en&pwst=1&start=10&sa=N

triterpenes antiviral hiv
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=triterpenes+antiviral+hiv&btnG=Search
 
My over all feeling is there are many anti-viral properties here listed and science should and IS already studying these compounds further but this doctor must submit to rigorous scientific examination of this substances.

here is a french paper that jumped out ...
Triterpenes from the spores of Ganoderma lucidum and their ...
Two new lanostane-type triterpenes,lucidumol A and ganoderic acid ß,Actividad biológica; Antiviral; Inhibiteur enzyme; .. 
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1640651


Chemistry and biology of the triterpenes and saponins from seeds ...
The primary compounds of interest in this plant are the triterpenes and triterpene ... Human immunodeficiency virus; Antiviral; Antiviral; Antiviral; India; ...
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13441139
Indian Institute of Chemical Biology, 4 Raja SC Mullick Road, Jadavpur, Calcutta-700 032, INDE
Mimusops elengi Linn. (N.O. Sapotaceae), a tree indigenous to India, has a long history of being used in traditional medicine. The primary compounds of interest in this plant are the triterpenes and triterpene glycosides. The triterpene, mimusopic acid, possessing the novel migrated oleanane skeleton, mimusopane, exhibits anti-HIV reverse transcriptase activity and modification of this novel compound may lead to more potent bioactive substances. Moreover, the saponins present also demonstrated to be antifungal against some human pathogens. The compounds isolated, characterized and bioactivity evaluated are presented in the form of a review.
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Thanks bimazek for that post. Obviously this doctor has to know what he's doing. Whatever that last and natural ingredient is he says its a secret lets hope it does its job and apparently so far it looks like it is. Im sorry but Im staying optimistic with this because SOMEDAY a cure must come out. Everybody here knows its been a long time since the first cases of infection... Its about time.  I know soon we will all have an answer to our prayers/wishes. ::)

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So i'm curious as how he knows the patient is cured? Does he do a WB and it's negative? Does Elisa go negative too? Because now if that also suppresses the antibodies, that's amazing. Or does he just ask the patient if he feels good?

It would be nice to know how he tests someone positive and use the same test to show that the person is negative.

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Why would God tell him to make an AIDS cure a secret?  That's not an act of a loving person.
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He has been treating very ill HIV infected people ALL of them have been correctly diagnosed with HIV-AIDS through blood tests sent to a local lab that is internationally certified , the web link for that lab is:  

 http://www.lab-amadita.com/index.php

Everything is being done by the book. No need to say he re-tests the patients after he has completed the treatment.




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Well to certify this, the lab would have to confirm DNA match from the positive and negative blood. Where are those reports?

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Philly,    I guess he's protecting himself...    Think about it.    This is no ordinary discovery.


Milker,   I have no idea...How could I know. I guess the lab must work all that out. The Dr. says he has proof of every single case, results of before and after.



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So there is a doctor that found a cure for HIV. He cured 52 people. There are 3 million+ people in the world waiting for this cure. The doctor says God told him about the cure. Why is the doctor not showing the actual proof using normal tests? Did God tell him to restrict the cure to 52 people?

The usual answer is that normal tests don't actually show the cure because they are not showing the "real" hiv infection. The problem is that the base line uses normal tests to prove an HIV infection, then the normal tests are discarded to prove the disinfection.

chapserol I have no doubt that you feel there is something true about those claims, but I cannot imagine someone sane finding a real cure and not proving it to the entire scientific world. Hiding how the cure works is not the problem, hiding the tests is.

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Who said he was hiding anything? ???

anyways lets just wait and see, hope and wish this is it. If not then life goes on  ;)





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Who said he was hiding anything? ???

you did
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....obviously this doctor has to know what he's doing.

How on earth do you know this??? Give me a break....sure, I hope this is for real, but I put this on the same category as when Iran announced they had the cure.... my money is that this doctor is up for retirement after his 50 years of "stellar" public service and found out his pension is short, and came up with this to make some quick bucks...you also keep saying unequivocally that this guy cured 52 people, and you don't know this for a fact either. When the so-called reputable lab he is using puts out some solid data to confirm this then I'll feel different. But until then, as much as all of us hope for good news like this, there is optimism, and then there is delusion.
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My understanding is the doc is willing for the scientific world to check out his 'work' by putting it thru std protocols - but, like any other pharmas, he will not reveal the formula -he is obvioulsy looking for some people to put some money in his business.Think about it no company ever does - they patent their work which is what the doc has done. Do we rubbish medication from US pharmas just because the producers hide the formulae? - No, we accept it as long as it has gone thru standard protocols.

The "told by God" thing may just be a decoy. My impression is it saves him answering a lot of questions at this point. A bit like some voodoo priest who calls upon spirits and sacrifices a chicken (or possibly "2 pigs & an ass"  :D) before he gives u some herbs that contain pain-killing agents to cure your headache. When you get well you'd start worshiping him, or at least think about it, and not the herbs.

Let the claim be scientifically checked out then we can pass judgement.

On a slightly different note, wasnt it in the same country that another psychaitrist (psyhologist?) claimed to have found the cure using "the right" stem cells but refused to have work verified? what happened there?

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chapersol, just to let you know, I don't share your optimism about this cure and i don't share your pessimism about the drug companies.

Its not enough to say board rooms and money are in fact suppressing a cure for aids. I'm not saying that drug companies are saints. They do act in their own self interest.

But the company that finds a cure, will reap untold billions in revenue. Its not about stringing us along, if you have the cure, your going to put it out there as soon as possible because of the money it will generate.

The idea that a cure will essentially be self defeating for the drug company is actually false, there are a lot - millions - of people infected with HIV, it is going to be around for decades even with a cure. And, one cannot count on a "forever" cure. I believe if a cure is found, it won't work for everyone, There will also be mutations that will work around the drug, that is more or less a fact of all "bugs". For example, what are doctors worried about today? Super Clap / Highly drug resistant Gonorrhea because no one is working on a new antibiotic, we are down to the last one.

And what do you think how people will behave if a cure is announced? Its going to be one hell of a party, just like the 70's and 80's before the troubles. And that of course means, more types of HIV, HEP A-C, HPV, Herpes, Syphilis, Clap, NGU, Flu, Intravenous/Blood born diseases, the list goes on and on and on.

So while we hold board rooms in contempt, think about the money to be made with a cure and that it is going to be still a decades long battle against HIV and all STD's.

meanwhile, thanks to all that incredible research done by bimazek! whew! And I thought I was quick with the internet.

My view is, this news is nothing until it is proven to be something. I wouldn't even think twice as something to get my hopes up. It really is just nonsense for this type of stuff to be looked at with goo goo eyes, because a country doctor with his pigs and donkeys and 52 pickup patients are "cured". Geez give me a break. (sorry chap! I tried to be nice, but really, your pushing a false hope.)
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Dont worry about it... 

    as I see it we are all in the same side. Sorry if you say Im pushing false hope, thats not and will never be my intention. Sometimes it's really sad to sit down and read in this forum.

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Sometimes it's really sad to sit down and read in this forum.

How so exactly?  Because some people are shitting liquid turds in their underwear all day from meds and we dare to discuss it?

We have AIDS and sometimes it's not pretty.  That's the reality.  You've posted 12 times all in "Research News and Studies" and have been participating for three days.  Why don't you join in another section and introduce yourself?
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Well said Philly...
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Thanks for posting this research news. I appreciate hearing about all research developments. That includes reports with one person being successful. 5, 15, 52 successful outcomes...all the better.Also, share the failure stories. Fine tuning, adjustments come with the territory of frontier efforts. 

The test of the spotlight is on.  Lots of questions but that doesn't negate the potential benefit that this unorthodox research, exploration may discover. Hopeful that the Dominican health authorities are going to assess the outcomes, protocols.

Some of us have a high standard for getting our hopes triggered. I am hopeful that someone responded in the context of a poor country to attempt to assist people who might otherwise be left to die, denied state of the art medicine, the progress which we are benefiting from but which too many are still denied because of the costs of the drugs, lack of health care infrastructure, poverty.

Thanks again. A subset of us appreciate the sharings.   

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Best case. A non toxic, minimal side effects, cheap and unpatentable treatment will be discovered.

 And this doctor, he may surprise us....he never set a price! could be he will insure that its affordable to the poor worldwide.  That would be a good surprise.

I imagine that BIG Pharma already has agents on the island checking out this development....carrying an offer to buy the patent and development rights.

Great movie material...and what a great ending...an effective cheap, unpatentable drug, easy to produce, and available worldwide.      I still dream and hope. Feed me clues.   Thanks.

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Best case. A non toxic, minimal side effects, cheap and unpatentable treatment will be discovered.

 And this doctor, he may surprise us....he never set a price! could be he will insure that its affordable to the poor worldwide.  That would be a good surprise.


I know some western "civilized" country that could bomb the DR into oblivion should they insist on providing the treatment cheaply to the poor worlwide.

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Matty the Damned knows he'll be condemned for looking askance at that standard of medical science in developing nations, but he has to ask the question.

Why is it that HIV "cures" are only ever discovered by alleged doctors working in countries like the Dominican Republic or Ghana? Matty the Damned got a B for science when he was in 4th Form and thus is most likely qualified to practice medicine in the DR.

All the reputable advances against this virus have been discovered and developed in the first world, but we're expected to believe that cures are being developed in laboratories and clinics where chickens are running around in the waiting rooms.

Oy!

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