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Author Topic: The undetectable club scene  (Read 2367 times)

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Offline milker

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The undetectable club scene
« on: July 22, 2007, 11:59:56 PM »
I got this email back from this openly HIV+ person:

"I'm not really into having sex with HIV positive dudes that are not undetectable or at least under 10000 VL".

So that's a new one for me, actually it's not, it's the second time I was told I was not undetectable so I was "dangerous".. I haven't seen posts about this before. Not only we're discriminated for our status but now we have to have a certain "standard" that is under 10000 VL ????????????

So I can't have sex unless i'm undetectable ???

Milker. 
« Last Edit: July 23, 2007, 12:04:38 AM by milker »
mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
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Offline allopathicholistic

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Re: The undetectable club scene
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2007, 12:24:20 AM »
Here we go again: Guys are relying on "scout's honor" as if tricks can't tell outright lies about not having a high VL or whatever  ::)

And what about a high VL makes them so apprehensive? They already have HIV

Maybe they should be more afraid of dudes saying anything they want, e.g., telling lies, just to get laid

I've never heard about this til now and I'm curious about what these guys are thinking and where they're getting their information


Offline Queen Tokelove

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Re: The undetectable club scene
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2007, 02:43:44 AM »
Don't feel bad, Milky..My vl is 24,700....Guess that means no ass for me either... ;D But has never heard anyone say some off the wall shit like that anyways.....What an ass...
Started Atripla/Ziagen on 9/13/07.
10/31/07 CD4-265 VL- undetectable
2/6/08 CD4- 401 VL- undetectable
5/7/08 CD4- 705 VL- undetectable
6/4/08 CD4- 775 VL- undetectable
8/6/08 CD4- 805 VL- undetectable
11/13/08 CD4- 774 VL--undetectable
2/4/09  CD4- 484  VL- 18,000 (2 months off meds)
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6/17/09 CD4- 438 VL- 439
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Offline carousel

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Re: The undetectable club scene
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2007, 04:13:07 AM »
My viral load is 46,000.  So there's no hope. 

Just because he's HIV+, doesn't mean he's not an ass.

I was wondering if he would say the same thing to your face, the internet dating scene can bring out the worst of people.

Offline Cerrid

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Re: The undetectable club scene
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2007, 06:42:05 AM »
I think it's a new movement within serosorting to prevent superinfection. Not sure on what scientific evidence this number is based upon, whether it's arbitrary or not, but even I heard of this trend before, and I'm in Europe.
"Boredom is always counterrevolutionary. Always." (Guy Debord)

Offline Iggy

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Re: The undetectable club scene
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2007, 09:49:05 AM »
I've heard that one in the past as well. 

Just goes to prove that having HIV doesn't mean a damn thing when it comes to ignorance about the virus.


Offline redhotmuslbear

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Re: The undetectable club scene
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2007, 10:05:05 AM »
The caste system among HIVers, poarticularly Gay  men, has been around as long as viral load testing;  amd it only grew stronger with the advent of HAART to produce results below the limits of detection.  It's about as idiotic as neg-UB2 barebacking.  It damages the psyche of men with detectable virus, and it does nothing in the long run from a public health perspective.

What an asshole!
"The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner
12-31-09   222wks VL  2430 CD4 690 (37%)
09-30-09   208wks VL  2050  CD4 925 (42%)
06-25-08   143wks VL  1359  CD4 668 (32%)  CD8 885
02-11-08   123wks off meds:  VL 1364 CD4 892(40%/0.99 ratio)
10-19-07   112wks off meds:   VL 292  CD4 857(37%/0.85 ratio)

One copy of delta-32 for f*****d up CCR5 receptors, and an HLA B44+ allele for "CD8-mediated immunity"... beteer than winning Powerball, almost!

Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: The undetectable club scene
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2007, 10:39:54 AM »
Give me a break! >:(

Like I'm suppose to believe someone knows their viral load on any given day. This is just one more feeble excuse for people to not use a condom. "Oh, it's okay, he said he was negative." "Oh, it's okay, he said he's undetectable."

and the check is in the mail and I promise not to cum in your mouth.

Grow up.

Offline woodshere

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Re: The undetectable club scene
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2007, 11:11:21 AM »
I have a question, have I not read or heard somewhere that having a lower viral load makes it more difficult to infect someone?  I ask not as a justification for serosorting or barebacking or any other foolish reason, but strictly for personal knowledge and clarification?

Woods
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Offline Cliff

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Re: The undetectable club scene
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2007, 12:23:11 PM »
I can see the logic.  A lower viral load....less risk of superinfection.  But it seems to have a lot of holes in it (the person lying, remembering their viral load incorrectly, the viral load has changed significantly since they were last tested, etc...). 

But it does seem like a way of transferring responsibility (and blame should something go wrong) to the other person.  I get superinfected.  You told me your viral load was 9,000 but in reality it was probably a lot higher.  Therefore, you are responsible for my superinfection.

Offline woodshere

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Re: The undetectable club scene
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2007, 01:10:46 PM »
Cliff, that's the logic that I think is behind it and could even go so far as to someone who is neg not worrying about becoming infected when having unprotected sex with a poz person.

The fact of the matter is positive is positive.  Trying to think of reasons to justify barebacking is rather foolish.  If one wants to bareback then do it and stop trying to find reasons to give when he/she turns up positive.

Coming from someone who accepts the risks,
Woods
"Let us give pubicity to HV/AIDS and not hide it..." "One of the things destroying people with AIDS is the stigma we attach to it."   Nelson Mandela

Offline ademas

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Re: The undetectable club scene
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2007, 01:57:18 PM »
Thanks to meds, I am undetectable!!

Thanks to meds, my legs are veiny, and I can rub my crix belly and pat my buffalo hump at the same time! 

What a catch!

(It was much easier getting laid with the viral load.)

Offline allopathicholistic

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Re: The undetectable club scene
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2007, 07:57:13 PM »
It's about as idiotic as neg-UB2 barebacking.  It damages the psyche of men with detectable virus, and it does nothing in the long run from a public health perspective.

well said! so i guess "VL0UB2" would be an offshoot of "NegUB2" ... how about "NimrodUB2"?  :D

Offline Basquo

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Re: The undetectable club scene
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2007, 08:10:11 PM »
Quote
... how about "NimrodUB2"? 

LOL!  :D

Offline Darknessfalls

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Re: The undetectable club scene
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2007, 01:39:48 AM »
Crazy! Never heard that before.  I was Diagnosed July2003 and by Sept. 2003 I had an undetectable (<50)VL.  Up until today's date it is still undetectable.  but I still consider that if I am not carefull there is a chance..........
Hoshiko

 


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