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Offline sherm

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undetctable?
« on: July 19, 2007, 11:10:33 AM »
Two days ago my doctor called and said that my last test came back and I am now undetectable. In five months I've gone from 750,000 to undect. I quickly shared this news with family and friends and have been flooded with questions that I am sorry to say I don't have an answer to (or the right answer at least)
 Q: Is this something like remission? is there such a thing?

Q: Do they think there could be a chance they can kill the virus altogether? 
 
Q: What is a normal T cell count range?

 ???
Thanks


Offline milker

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Re: undetctable?
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2007, 11:20:18 AM »
This is excellent news!!!! :D :D :D Are you on meds?

 Q: Is this something like remission? is there such a thing?
The virus is undetectable but still there, unfortunately. It's not only in the blood but also in other parts of the body. An interesting discussion about undetectable status can be found there: http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=10502.0 Undetectable means that the machine used to count the viral load was not sensitive enough to find a few copies (currently most machines have a limit of < 50 copies, but now we're starting to see ultra sensitive ones that can detect less than 50 copies) in the sample of blood that was used for the test.

Q: Do they think there could be a chance they can kill the virus altogether?
Same answer. Some new drugs may be able to help the body "kill" the virus in areas difficult to reach (e.g. brain).
 
Q: What is a normal T cell count range?
500-1500 for T4 cell counts, which I think it is what you're asking.

Your undetectable status is fabulous, coming from 750K you can definitely celebrate!

Milker.
mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
may 27 10: cd4 655 (32%) vl undetectable :D :D

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Offline aztecan

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Re: undetctable?
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2007, 11:32:01 AM »
Hey Sherm,

Two days ago my doctor called and said that my last test came back and I am now undetectable. In five months I've gone from 750,000 to undetectable. I quickly shared this news with family and friends and have been flooded with questions that I am sorry to say I don't have an answer to (or the right answer at least)
 Q: Is this something like remission? is there such a thing?

Q: Do they think there could be a chance they can kill the virus altogether? 
 
Q: What is a normal T cell count range?

 ???
Thanks



 Q: Is this something like remission? is there such a thing? No, unfortunately, as Milker explained, the bug hides elsewhere in the body and is still active there. So, keeping it undetectable in the blood is very good, but it isn't in remission.

Q: Do they think there could be a chance they can kill the virus altogether?  I believe you mean eradicate it from the body, like is done with bacterial infections. The answer, unfortunately, is again no. The meds just cannot reach all of the places the virus lives and the virus is just too prolific.

Q: What is a normal T cell count range? 500 - 1,500, as our Milker said. The T-cell count can vary a great deal, sometimes even changing within a few hours.

Wow, you are now undetectable and are doing well otherwise. I think you have cause to celebrate. So, in honor of that, I declare today a cheesecake day!  ;)

HUGS,

Mark
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~ William Ellery Channing (Unitarian Minister)

Offline sherm

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Re: undetctable?
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2007, 01:00:47 PM »
Thanks for the information. very helpful
My medication is Fuzeon, truvada, mk158 (research) I was told this is a salvage program I was at 2 t-cells now 58 and climbing so very happy and yes I think I will have that cheesecake ;D

Offline milker

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Re: undetctable?
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2007, 03:33:50 PM »
There are other members on here using Fuzeon and I think mk158 too with amazing results. So cheesecake day it is!

Milker.

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mid-dec: stupid ass
mid-jan: seroconversion
mid-feb: poz
mar 07: cd4 432 (35%) vl 54000
may 07: cd4 399 (28%) vl 27760
jul 07: cd4 403 (26%) vl 99241
oct 07: cd4 353 (24%) vl 29993
jan 08: cd4 332 (26%) vl 33308
mar 08: cd4 392 (23%) vl 75548
jun 08: cd4 325 (27%) vl 45880
oct 08: cd4 197 (20%) vl 154000 <== aids diagnosis
nov 2 08 start Atripla
nov 30 08: cd4 478 (23%) vl 1880 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
feb 19 09: cd4 398 (24%) vl 430 getting there!
apr 23 09: cd4 604 (29%) vl 50 woohoo :D :D
jul 30 09: cd4 512 (29%) vl undetectable :D :D
may 27 10: cd4 655 (32%) vl undetectable :D :D

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Offline redhotmuslbear

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Re: undetctable?
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2007, 10:01:13 AM »
These questions caught my eyes as a long-term non-progressor....

Q: Is this something like remission? is there such a thing?
Q: Do they think there could be a chance they can kill the virus altogether?

.....hehehehe  <thoughts of world domination running through my head>..... Even for those of us who have effective immune system control of the virus (June 2007 viral load was 100, after just shy of 25 years), eradication of HIV is just a dream.  The damned bugs lurk not only in active and resting immune cells, but also in other tissues where meds and our kick-ass suppressor cells don't necessarily penetrate.  And, sadly, it seems that anything exceptionally potent against HIV also has an evil side regarding the human body, so I'd hate to see what anything that can eradicate HIV would do to us...
 
 
Q: What is a normal T cell count range?

For whom, when, and under what conditions?  Several hundred is a lot more realistic an expectation for the average person that anything over 1000.
"The real problem is not whether machines think but whether men do." - BF Skinner
12-31-09   222wks VL  2430 CD4 690 (37%)
09-30-09   208wks VL  2050  CD4 925 (42%)
06-25-08   143wks VL  1359  CD4 668 (32%)  CD8 885
02-11-08   123wks off meds:  VL 1364 CD4 892(40%/0.99 ratio)
10-19-07   112wks off meds:   VL 292  CD4 857(37%/0.85 ratio)

One copy of delta-32 for f*****d up CCR5 receptors, and an HLA B44+ allele for "CD8-mediated immunity"... beteer than winning Powerball, almost!

Offline DanielMark

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Re: undetctable?
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2007, 11:22:49 AM »
My viral load count has been consistently less than 50 (undetectable) since I began meds in 2002.

Welcome to the survivor's club.

Daniel
MEDS: REYATAZ & KIVEXA (SINCE AUG 2008)

MAY 2000 LAB RESULTS: CD4 678
VL STILL UNDETECTABLE

DIAGNOSED IN 1988

 


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